Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Traditionalism]

The Iron March "manifesto" aside, I've never seen Evola or other Perennialists speak about this capitalized "Truth" you speak of.

Anyway, Hegel was a far better philosopher for Fascists to study than Evola.

Evola wasn't a fascist though.

He still contributed greatly to the Worldview. Whether or not he called himself a Fascist doesn't matter, he shared the Worldview.

[Sorkun]

Evola wasn't a fascist though.

He still contributed greatly to the Worldview. Whether or not he called himself a Fascist doesn't matter, he shared the Worldview.

Let's capitalise Random words For no effect Whatsoever.

[Traditionalism]

For the Truth

The Iron March "manifesto" aside, I've never seen Evola or other Perennialists speak about this capitalized "Truth" you speak of.

Anyway, Hegel was a far better philosopher for Fascists to study than Evola.

It's not necessary for them to speak about it. As generations pass we get a better understanding of what it is we believe, and what we Feel. He, like others contributed to the Worldview.

[The Grey Wolf]

Evola wasn't a fascist though.

He still contributed greatly to the Worldview. Whether or not he called himself a Fascist doesn't matter, he shared the Worldview.

Evola criticized Futurism, National Syndicalism, and Giovanni Gentile, all three of which gave Fascism it's worldview. He saw the first one as "titanic," and the last two as "Marxist." So no, he would be offended that you thought he did.

[Traditionalism]

He still contributed greatly to the Worldview. Whether or not he called himself a Fascist doesn't matter, he shared the Worldview.

Evola criticized Futurism, National Syndicalism, and Giovanni Gentile, all three of which gave Fascism it's worldview. He saw the first one as "titanic," and the last two as "Marxist." So no, he would be offended that you thought he did.

I can't say I care at all if he was offended.

He contributed to the Worldview, and that's that.

[Traditionalism]

He still contributed greatly to the Worldview. Whether or not he called himself a Fascist doesn't matter, he shared the Worldview.

Let's capitalise Random words For no effect Whatsoever.

You're misleading yourself.

[The Grey Wolf]

Evola criticized Futurism, National Syndicalism, and Giovanni Gentile, all three of which gave Fascism it's worldview. He saw the first one as "titanic," and the last two as "Marxist." So no, he would be offended that you thought he did.

I can't say I care at all if he was offended.

He contributed to the Worldview, and that's that.

You don't really care about anything, do you? Not facts certainly.

No, it's not. You can say that, but like a child screaming the same thing again and again, it doesn't make it so. It is hard to take you seriously when Evola criticizes literally everything that gave it it's worldview. He saw Gentile as anti-traditional and even "implicitly Marxist," he saw National Syndicalism and Corporatism as "succoring to inferiors," then there is Futurism: the cult of the machine and industrial development, two things that Evola saw as "killing the spirit." as someone who professes to love truth as much as you do, you seem quite willing to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it.

All of these ideas existed before Evola became a traditionalist, and they influenced Mussolini as far back as his socialist days. As seen by the fact that Marinetti and De Ambris (the founder of the Futurist movement, and a National Syndicalist leader, respectively) wrote the Fascist Manifesto in 1919. Then there isn't to mention the degenerate Gabriele D'Annunzio....

[Living Stones]

What is being created? Who is creating it? When? How?
None of these things are being explained in-depth to us, hence the confusion. Other than that, we'll believe that a major tyrannical underground movement is on the march once we see it in action. Words rarely amount to much.

Then you may wait patiently for the day of justice, see it in action for yourself.

Are you referring to this?

And having gone forth, Jesus departed from the temple, and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple, and Jesus said to them,

'Do you not see all these? Truly I say to you, there may not be left here a stone on a stone, that shall not be thrown down.' And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying,

'Tell us, when shall these be? And what the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?' And Jesus answering said to them,
'Take heed that no one may lead you astray, for many shall come in my name, saying,

"I am the Christos", and they shall lead many astray, and you shall begin to hear of wars, and reports of wars; see, be not troubled, for it necessitates all to come to pass, but the end is not yet. For ethnicity shall rise against ethnicity, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places; and all these -- the beginning of sadnesses; then they shall deliver you up to tribulation, and shall kill you, and you shall be hated by all the ethnicities because of my Name; and then shall many be stumbled, and they shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall lead many astray; and because of the abounding of the lawlessness, the love of the many shall become cold; but he who did endure to the end, he shall be saved; and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world, for a testimony to all the ethnicities; and then shall the end arrive. Whenever, therefore, you may see the abomination of the desolation, that was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoever is reading let him observe) then those in Judea -- let them flee to the mounts; he on the house-top -- let him not come down to take up any thing out of his house; and he in the field -- let him not turn back to take his garments. And wo to those with child, and to those giving suck in those days; and pray you that your flight may not be in winter, nor on a Sabbath; for there shall be then great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world till now, no, nor may be. And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened. Then if any one may say to you,

"Look, here the Christos!" or

"here!" you may not believe; for there shall arise false Christos', and false prophets, and they shall give great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, also the chosen. Look, I did tell you beforehand. If therefore they may say to you,

"Look, in the wilderness he is", you may not go forth;

"look, in the inner chambers", you may not believe; for as the lightning does come forth from the east, and does appear to the west, so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man; for wherever the carcass may be, there shall the eagles be gathered together. And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken; and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth strike the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory; and he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to the ends thereof. And from the fig-tree learn you the simile: when already its branch may have become tender, and the leaves it may put forth, you know that summer -- near, so also you, when you may see all these, you know that it is near -- at the doors. Truly I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass. The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. And concerning that day and the hour no one has known -- not even the messengers of the heavens -- except my Father only; and as the days of Noah -- so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man; for as they were, in the days before the flood, eating, and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, till the day Noah entered into the ark, and they did not know till the flood came and took all away; so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man. Then two men shall be in the field, the one is received, and the one is left; two women shall be grinding in the mill, one is received, and one is left. Watch you therefore, because you have not known in what hour your Lord does come; and this know, that if the master of the house had known in what watch the thief does come, he had watched, and not suffered his house to be broken through; because of this also you, become you ready, because in what hour you do not think, the Son of Man does come. Who, then, is the servant, faithful and wise, whom his lord did set over his household, to give them the nourishment in season? Happy that servant, whom his lord, having come, shall find doing so; truly I say to you, that over all his substance he will set him. And, if that evil servant may say in his heart,

"My Lord does delay to come", and may begin to beat the fellow-servants, and to eat and to drink with the drunken, the lord of that servant will arrive in a day when he does not expect, and in an hour of which he does not know, and will cut him off, and his portion with the hypocrites will appoint; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth. Then shall the reign of the heavens be compared to ten virgins, who, having taken their lamps, went forth to meet the bridegroom; and five of them were prudent, and five foolish; they who were foolish having taken their lamps, did not take with themselves oil; and the prudent took oil in their vessels, with their lamps. And the bridegroom delaying, they all nodded and were sleeping, and in the middle of the night a cry was made,

"Look, the bridegroom does come; go you forward to meet him." Then rose all those virgins, and trimmed their lamps, and the foolish said to the prudent,

"Give us of your oil, because our lamps are going out"; and the prudent answered, saying --

"Lest there may not be sufficient for us and you, go you rather to those selling, and buy for yourselves." And while they are going away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those ready went in with him to the marriage-feasts, and the door was shut; and afterwards come also do the rest of the virgins, saying,

"lord, lord, open to us;" and he answering said,

"truly I say to you, I have not known you." Watch therefore, for you have not known the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man does come. For -- as a man going abroad did call his own servants, and did deliver to them his substance, and to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to each according to his several ability, went abroad immediately. And he who did receive the five talents, having gone, wrought with them, and made other five talents; in like manner also he who [received] the two, he gained, also he, other two; and he who did receive the one, having gone away, dug in the earth, and hid his lord's money. And after a long time comes the lord of those servants, and takes counting with them; and he who did receive the five talents having come, brought other five talents, saying,

"Lord, five talents thou did deliver to me; look, other five talents did I gain besides them." And his lord said to him,

"Well done, servant, good and faithful, over a few things thou were faithful, over many things I will set thee; enter into the joy of thy lord." And he who also did receive the two talents having come, said,

"Lord, two talents thou did deliver to me; look, other two talents I did gain besides them." His lord said to him,

"Well done, servant, good and faithful, over a few things thou were faithful, over many things I will set thee; enter into the joy of thy lord." And he also who has received the one talent having come, said,

"Lord, I knew thee, that thou art a hard man, reaping where thou did not sow, and gathering from where thou did not scatter; and having been afraid, having gone away, I hid thy talent in the earth; look, thou have thine own!" And his lord answering said to him,

"Evil servant, and lazy, thou had known that I reap where I did not sow, and I gather from where I did not scatter! It necessitated thee then to put my money to the money-lenders, and having come I had received mine own with increase. Take therefore from him the talent, and give to him having the ten talents, for to every one having shall be given, and he shall have overabundance, and from him who is not having, even that which he has shall be taken from him; and the unprofitable servant throw you forth to the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth." And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit on a throne of his glory; and gathered together before him shall be all the ethnicities, and he shall separate them from one another, as the shepherd does separate the sheep from the goats, and he shall set the sheep indeed on his right hand, and the goats on the left. Then shall the king say to those on his right hand,

"Come you, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that has been prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I did hunger, and you gave me to eat; I did thirst, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you received me; naked, and you put around me; I was infirm, and you looked after me; in prison I was, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying,

"Lord, when did we see thee hungering, and we nourished? Or thirsting, and we gave to drink? And when did we see thee a stranger, and we received? Or naked, and we put around? And when did we see thee infirm, or in prison, and we came to thee?" And the king answering, shall say to them,

"Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did to one of these my brothers -- the least -- to me you did." Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, "Go you from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that has been prepared for the Devil and his messengers; for I did hunger, and you gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and you gave me not to drink; a stranger I was, and you did not receive me; naked, and you put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and you did not look after me. Then shall they answer, they also, saying,

"Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee?" Then shall he answer them, saying,

"Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did not to one of these, the least, you did not to me." And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

(Mat. 24&25)

Or another even entirely?

[Hurdegaryp]

Looks like this thread is going to become part of NationStates history as yet another massive waste of effort, time and neurological activity.

[The Grey Wolf]

Looks like this thread is going to become part of NationStates history as yet another massive waste of effort, time and neurological activity.

So it's basically a YouTube comment section?

[Hurdegaryp]

Looks like this thread is going to become part of NationStates history as yet another massive waste of effort, time and neurological activity.

So it's basically a YouTube comment section?

But with more walls of text referring to obscure fascist philosophers who mainly ripped off Nietzsche without understanding what Nietzsche actually tried to say.

[Dushan]

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Just this in: I do believe that there can be a synthesis of Tradition and Progress. Simplyfied: Cult of the Machine and Future on the material Level, Cult of Leadership and Tradition on the Metaphysical Level.

One day the former path shall merge with the later.

[The Grey Wolf]

So it's basically a YouTube comment section?

But with more walls of text referring to obscure fascist philosophers who mainly ripped off Nietzsche without understanding what Nietzsche actually tried to say.

The only "obscure" Fascist philosopher that I can think of mentioned here was Gentile, who I doubt ripped off Nietzsche, given Nietzsche was about as far as one could get from an idealist.

[Hurdegaryp]

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Just this in: I do believe that there can be a synthesis of Tradition and Progress. Simplyfied: Cult of the Machine and Future on the material Level, Cult of Leadership and Tradition on the Metaphysical Level.

One day the former path shall merge with the later.

Many traditions die because they lack resilience and relevance in the modern age. This should not be mourned, for many traditions have withered away and been forgotten during tens of thousands of years for good reasons. The cultures that bring forth and improve machine technology are vastly superior to the obsolete traditional societies that come before them, if only because all this amazing technology allows us to communicate with each other easily. Machine supremacy is best supremacy!

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Just this in: I do believe that there can be a synthesis of Tradition and Progress. Simplyfied: Cult of the Machine and Future on the material Level, Cult of Leadership and Tradition on the Metaphysical Level.

One day the former path shall merge with the later.

Many traditions die because they lack resilience and relevance in the modern age. This should not be mourned, for many traditions have withered away and been forgotten during tens of thousands of years for good reasons. The cultures that bring forth and improve machine technology are vastly superior to the obsolete traditional societies that come before them, if only because all this amazing technology allows us to communicate with each other easily. Machine supremacy is best supremacy!

Ave Omnissiah!

[Grenartia]

Just this in: I do believe that there can be a synthesis of Tradition and Progress. Simplyfied: Cult of the Machine and Future on the material Level, Cult of Leadership and Tradition on the Metaphysical Level.

One day the former path shall merge with the later.

Many traditions die because they lack resilience and relevance in the modern age. This should not be mourned, for many traditions have withered away and been forgotten during tens of thousands of years for good reasons. The cultures that bring forth and improve machine technology are vastly superior to the obsolete traditional societies that come before them, if only because all this amazing technology allows us to communicate with each other easily. Machine supremacy is best supremacy!

Really, if a tradition dies, there's undoubtedly a good reason for it to have died. Putting candles on Christmas trees, for instance. Or marrying teenagers.

[Dushan]

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I wasn't talking about Christmas Candles or other petty traditions. ^^

However you can't deny that Leadership and Tradition are necessary to be preserved even within a strictly technocratic apporeach... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzddAYYDZkk

[Grenartia]

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I wasn't talking about Christmas Candles or other petty traditions. ^^

However you can't deny that Leadership and Tradition are necessary to be preserved even within a strictly technocratic apporeach... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzddAYYDZkk

I don't click on random youtube links as sources.

[The Grey Wolf]

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I wasn't talking about Christmas Candles or other petty traditions. ^^

However you can't deny that Leadership and Tradition are necessary to be preserved even within a strictly technocratic apporeach... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzddAYYDZkk

There was never anything traditional about Mussolini or Fascist leadership, they were party-states lead by revolutionary leaders not based on birth or the liberal democratic process. What "traditions" are you referencing?

[Dushan]

There was never anything traditional about Mussolini or Fascist leadership, they were party-states lead by revolutionary leaders not based on birth or the liberal democratic process. What "traditions" are you referencing?

I didn mentioned Mussolini or the rest of the Fascist Leadership. I'd wouldn traditional Leaders define necessarily by birth or so. I'd personally like to think of Fascism ideally as a revolutionary and modern Movement rather than a reactionary.

As for my own traditional Ideas, I've outlined them in the Monarchy thread; viewtopic.php?p=28746333#p28746333

I don't think this has a lot to do with Fascism , though a Revolutionary Movement could theoretically (and in the case of Fascism this is a possibility) refer itself to a existing (or invented...) Tradition. Like the Italian Fascism of Mussolini tried to put itself in the Tradition of the Roman Empire. Not that they were very consequential with it either, as they also forged close ties with the Catholic Church and so on.

[Zoice]

Morality is a completely different subject.

Why would you want to help people you don't think even matter?

His thinking they don't matter is based on false ideas that are held because of faith.

I don't actually think Traditionalism doesn't matter, of course he does, he's just very very wrong.

[Kwaaal]

we should make a poll for le next OP

[Conscentia]

we should make a poll for le next OP

We already have suggested polls.

Preferred right-wing economic system?
Dinake's Proposal:
viewtopic.php?p=28586007#p28586007

Conscentia's Proposal (approved by Old Tyrannia):
viewtopic.php?p=28586342#p28586342
viewtopic.php?p=28588451#p28588451

The Liberated Territories Proposal:
viewtopic.php?p=28586399#p28586399

What right-wing ideology do you adhere to?
Dinake's Proposal:
viewtopic.php?p=28799432#p28799432

[Pranovia]

Hi again guys!!! <3 Proudly a Right Winger all the way from Manila!!!

[Great Kauthar]

Clicc this link for part 2