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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:48 pm

OOC: I can't think of a better example of 'write to the category' instead of trying to shoehorn something in where it doesn't fit. Honestly the only way I see to salvage this would be to mandate an international search-&-rescue for lost aircraft and call it International Security. There's really no category suitable for this kind of public safety concern; all currently available regulations on industry are social or environmental rather than hazard-reducing.

Sticking this in Social Justice would mean you need to guarantee the poor a certain number of flights per year at reduced or waived cost; mandate minimum leg and elbow room standards for all fliers, not just business and first class; and institute more oversight of airlines generally to ensure actual competition and fair pricing. None of which sound like bad ideas to me, but ain't going to pass the WA in all likelihood.
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:07 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: I can't think of a better example of 'write to the category' instead of trying to shoehorn something in where it doesn't fit. Honestly the only way I see to salvage this would be to mandate an international search-&-rescue for lost aircraft and call it International Security. There's really no category suitable for this kind of public safety concern; all currently available regulations on industry are social or environmental rather than hazard-reducing.

Sticking this in Social Justice would mean you need to guarantee the poor a certain number of flights per year at reduced or waived cost; mandate minimum leg and elbow room standards for all fliers, not just business and first class; and institute more oversight of airlines generally to ensure actual competition and fair pricing. None of which sound like bad ideas to me, but ain't going to pass the WA in all likelihood.

OOC: FWIW, OP, the mandated SAR idea also won't fly. Nobody is going to be overjoyed about searching for noncitizens who crashed in their sea territories, or deep in their desert expanses.
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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:06 am

Okay, so here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to completely rewrite this as a two-pronged proposal: firstly, to search for downed aircraft internationally; and secondly, I'm going to bring back my "investigation" and use the ITSC in this, making it IntSec.

(Curiously, aircraft tracking was actually my first draft)
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:23 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Hey, more regulations = more lives saved by fewer incidents.

"Which isn't relevant to the category requirements."

OOC: Playing devil's advocate here, but (1) if you interpret 'welfare' quite expansively, it is, and (2) wouldn't category be discussed OOC?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:25 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:Okay, so here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to completely rewrite this as a two-pronged proposal: firstly, to search for downed aircraft internationally; and secondly, I'm going to bring back my "investigation" and use the ITSC in this, making it IntSec.

(Curiously, aircraft tracking was actually my first draft)

"Nobody is going to go for that, as already demonstrated."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"Which isn't relevant to the category requirements."

OOC: Playing devil's advocate here, but (1) if you interpret 'welfare' quite expansively, it is, and (2) wouldn't category be discussed OOC?


OOC: category is discussed ICly all the time, and only if you describe welfare as "anything good".

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:26 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: Playing devil's advocate here, but (1) if you interpret 'welfare' quite expansively, it is, and (2) wouldn't category be discussed OOC?

OOC: category is discussed ICly all the time, and only if you describe welfare as "anything good".

OOC: Which is practically its definition in economics. However it is, the stat effect is all wrong. Hmm. I would have expected that game mechanics be discussed out of character.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:18 am

"So, given that the UFoC resolution is passing, will this be placed upon a pure and sent to sea, then?"

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:23 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"So, given that the UFoC resolution is passing, will this be placed upon a pure and sent to sea, then?"

Nope. Working on an insta-repeal with some members of my region.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:34 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"So, given that the UFoC resolution is passing, will this be placed upon a pure and sent to sea, then?"

Nope. Working on an insta-repeal with some members of my region.

"Why? The existing law does everything this does, and more efficiently. Sounds like your only motivation is pique and dislike of the UFoC delegation."

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Postby Valendia » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:37 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Nope. Working on an insta-repeal with some members of my region.


"Why, exactly? This proposal is vastly inferior to the one currently at vote."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:04 pm

Valendia wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Nope. Working on an insta-repeal with some members of my region.


"Why, exactly? This proposal is vastly inferior to the one currently at vote."

"Oh, I get it. For the fucking badge. Again."

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Postby Flawdom » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:06 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Nope. Working on an insta-repeal with some members of my region.

"Why? The existing law does everything this does, and more efficiently. Sounds like your only motivation is pique and dislike of the UFoC delegation."

Although we have had recent difficulties with the Separatist Peoples, we agree with their explanation. That, and as they've also said, "for the fucking badge."
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Postby Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:13 pm

"Ambassador, Transoxiana finds the proposal to have merit, but we still have one concern: Your last clause excludes UAVs. What if a nation created a UAV that carried passengers? A UAV, for the purposes of the resolution, should be defined as a flying vehicle that contains no passengers or crew."
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John Turner
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Postby John Turner » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:23 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Valendia wrote:
"Why, exactly? This proposal is vastly inferior to the one currently at vote."

"Oh, I get it. For the fucking badge. Again."


OOC: That and our young friend seems to be having some pipe dream where he thinks that if he attempts an insta-repeal that he can pass this right afterwards. He also seems to forget, that he is one of the first people to raise cain when someone else tries to do just that. :roll:
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Valendia
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Postby Valendia » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:56 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Oh, I get it. For the fucking badge. Again."


"If recognition of merit and personal virtue is such an important goal, none of us would have become World Assembly ambassadors." Cato empties a plastic container full of pills into his hand and swallows them, chasing it down with some Zima and cranberry juice.
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John Turner
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Postby John Turner » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:28 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"So, given that the UFoC resolution is passing, will this be placed upon a pure and sent to sea, then?"

Nope. Working on an insta-repeal with some members of my region.


So where is this so called "insta"-repeal? Voting will be over at the Monday night major and I have yet to see a draft. :roll:
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