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Do you support the reintroduction of conscription in Lithuania?

Yes, I support the reintroduction of conscription in Lithuania
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No, I don't support the reintroduction of conscription in Lithuania
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Lithuania to reintroduce conscription

Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:34 pm

As reported by BBC:

Lithuania is to reintroduce conscription over concerns about "the current geopolitical environment" in the Baltic states, President Dalia Grybauskaite says.

Conscription will be renewed for a five-year-period to "enhance and accelerate army recruitment", she said.

Ms Grybauskaite did not specifically refer to the situation in Ukraine, but neighbouring states have expressed worries about Russian aggression.

Parliament must still approve the plan.

Lithuania abolished conscription in 2008, but the new rules would see it reinstated for men aged 19-26, with exemptions for certain categories, such as university students and single fathers.

Up to 3,500 men would be recruited each year.

Latvia's defence minister has also suggested strengthening his country's military, by increasing army numbers to 7,000 men. However, there are no plans to introduce compulsory service...

Countries with military conscription

Russia - All male citizens aged 18-27 must enrol for a 12-month draft of military service
Ukraine - Conscription was reinstated in 2014 in response to escalating violence in the east of the country
Estonia - Compulsory military service for eight or 11 months from the age of 18
Austria - Voted to retain compulsory military service in 2013. Men must serve six months in the army or nine months in civilian service when they reach 18
Greece - Males aged 19 to 45 are required by law to perform military service for nine months
Turkey - Military service is mandatory for all men over the age of 20. They must serve between six and 15 months
Denmark - Conscripts serve an initial training period that varies from four to 12 months from the age of 18
Norway - Men aged 19 to 44 must serve in the armed forces for 19 months. Women born from 1997 onwards, will also be conscripted from the summer of 2016
Germany - Compulsory military service was suspended in July 2011, but it remains in the country's constitution


A map, showing where the Lithuania is:

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Yes, the only place where Lithuania borders Russia is Kaliningrad oblast.

So, NSG, I have a question for you - do you or do you not support this initiative of Lithuanian government? Why?

Lithuania's total population is c. 3 mlns.

I for one fail to see how 3500-7000 conscripts could improve its defense capabilities. The reintroduction of cinscription, OTOH, opens all passible ways for corrupt officials to capitalise on it (just look at the Ukraine right now and the rising rate of bribes required to "buy" yourself a right dignosis to dodge the military service). I for one won't be surprised, if after adoption of this initiative Lithuanians would (re)join the international brotherhood of draft-dodgers.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:37 pm

Russia's fault.
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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:38 pm

Steamtopia wrote:Russia's fault.


What? That Lithuania decided to adopt a useless (but, possibly a lifewrekning) law? Gee, how convenint! In past it was "Devil forced me", now it is "Russia's fault"!

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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:39 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Russia's fault.


What? That Lithuania decided to adopt a useless (but, possibly a lifewrekning) law? Gee, how convenint! In past it was "Devil forced me", now it is "Russia's fault"!

It's a completely reasonable policy to adopt when your neighbor is invading countries left and right.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:40 pm

Lithuania... Conscription...

my god...

EU4 was right!

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Also Lithuania has decided to enact manifest destiny on the vast Russian steppes and has obliterated Crimea down to three provinces (they used to pretty big), took out Kazan, took Smolenks and almost conquered the golden horde and they would have if the ottomans did not step in and wear them down. Now with my help they got some more land off of the Livonian order so its only a matter of time before they launch another campaign out that way.


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Postby Iwassoclose » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:40 pm

I for one fail to see how 3500-7000 conscripts could improve its defense capabilities. The reintroduction of cinscription, OTOH, opens all passible ways for corrupt officials to capitalise on it (just look at the Ukraine right now and the rising rate of bribes required to "buy" yourself a right dignosis to dodge the military service). I for one won't be surprised, if after adoption of this initiative Lithuanians would (re)join the international brotherhood of draft-dodgers.


By your logic they should just cut military spending because they are going to get rolled over anyway if they get attacked.

3500 conscripts annually is also a pretty decent amount, easily adding up over the years. It will be good to have a trained reserve force when the time comes.

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Postby Allegan County » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:42 pm

I'm completely against conscription. I don't think Lithuania has to worry about Russia too much. Estonia and Latvia, though...
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:45 pm

In reality, Lithuania has more to worry about those two nuclear plants being built near its border then the Russian military.

Kaliningrad and Belarus are the ones building the nuclear plants.

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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:47 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
What? That Lithuania decided to adopt a useless (but, possibly a lifewrekning) law? Gee, how convenint! In past it was "Devil forced me", now it is "Russia's fault"!

It's a completely reasonable policy to adopt when your neighbor is invading countries left and right.


Which "neightbor" of Lithuania is "invading" countries "left and right"?

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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:48 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:It's a completely reasonable policy to adopt when your neighbor is invading countries left and right.


Which "neightbor" of Lithuania is "invading" countries "left and right"?

Russia, as I mentioned.
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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:49 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:
By your logic they should just cut military spending because they are going to get rolled over anyway if they get attacked.


Yes - exactly. No matter what, no matter how they try - they are still screwed. This is just a reality they had to live with.

Iwassoclose wrote:3500 conscripts annually is also a pretty decent amount, easily adding up over the years. It will be good to have a trained reserve force when the time comes.


When the times... to what? Invade Byelarus for "ancestral Lithuanian lands"?

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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:51 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
Which "neightbor" of Lithuania is "invading" countries "left and right"?

Russia, as I mentioned.


Have you seen the map? Russia is hardly a "neghbor" for Lithuania.

And what about "invading countries left and right"? Russia for the last 20 years had more peaceful and non-interventional foreign policy then the US.

Or, what - you want to tell us about all those countless and totally innocent countries that Russia "invaded left in right"?

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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:54 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:Have you seen the map? Russia is hardly a "neghbor" for Lithuania.

Have you seen the map? They're right next door. A flight isn't even two hours to Vilnius from Moscow.

Lytenburgh wrote:And what about "invading countries left and right"? Russia for the last 20 years had more peaceful and non-interventional foreign policy then the US.

>using the US as a standard
Please, don't make me laugh.
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:58 pm

It's a bit too late for that, but then again, I've always supported conscription as a way to educate youth, if not necessarily an efficient form of military.

You can't really expect to have any reserve material among young folks to whom CoD is the closest they've ever gotten to actually firing a real gun.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:58 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
By your logic they should just cut military spending because they are going to get rolled over anyway if they get attacked.


Yes - exactly. No matter what, no matter how they try - they are still screwed. This is just a reality they had to live with.

Iwassoclose wrote:3500 conscripts annually is also a pretty decent amount, easily adding up over the years. It will be good to have a trained reserve force when the time comes.


When the times... to what? Invade Byelarus for "ancestral Lithuanian lands"?


The point isn't to repulse the invaders, its to try and prevent them from gaining ground and fortifying themselves. Just long enough for reinforcements from other countries (NATO) to come and help. And they will come. As they are part of a coalition, their contribution adds to the greater whole. That means a small amount of troops from every country is still a shit ton of soldiers.

See Ukraine.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:01 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:Have you seen the map? Russia is hardly a "neghbor" for Lithuania.

Have you seen the map? They're right next door. A flight isn't even two hours to Vilnius from Moscow.

Lytenburgh wrote:And what about "invading countries left and right"? Russia for the last 20 years had more peaceful and non-interventional foreign policy then the US.

>using the US as a standard
Please, don't make me laugh.

Russia would have to go through another country either way; they sure as hell wouldn't go through Kaliningrad Oblast.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:04 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Have you seen the map? They're right next door. A flight isn't even two hours to Vilnius from Moscow.


>using the US as a standard
Please, don't make me laugh.

Russia would have to go through another country either way; they sure as hell wouldn't go through Kaliningrad Oblast.

Why not? Anyway, I wouldn't put it past them to use Belarus. It's not like Belarus is a real country anyway.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:06 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Russia would have to go through another country either way; they sure as hell wouldn't go through Kaliningrad Oblast.

Why not? Anyway, I wouldn't put it past them to use Belarus. It's not like Belarus is a real country anyway.


I am thinking Belarus is next.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:06 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Russia would have to go through another country either way; they sure as hell wouldn't go through Kaliningrad Oblast.

Why not? Anyway, I wouldn't put it past them to use Belarus. It's not like Belarus is a real country anyway.

Yes, yes it is.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:07 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Why not? Anyway, I wouldn't put it past them to use Belarus. It's not like Belarus is a real country anyway.


I am thinking Belarus is next.

Next? They're already a puppet state.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:08 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
I am thinking Belarus is next.

Next? They're already a puppet state.

Is that why Lukashenko follows completely different policies than Russia and has been known in the past year to rebuff Russia on certain things?
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:09 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Russia would have to go through another country either way; they sure as hell wouldn't go through Kaliningrad Oblast.

Why not? Anyway, I wouldn't put it past them to use Belarus. It's not like Belarus is a real country anyway.

Most likely because Kaliningrad Oblast is entirely surrounded by NATO members.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:09 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Next? They're already a puppet state.

Is that why Lukashenko follows completely different policies than Russia and has been known in the past year to rebuff Russia on certain things?

Completely different policies like?
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Postby Iwassoclose » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:10 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
I am thinking Belarus is next.

Next? They're already a puppet state.


That is true. However-

Belarusian President Alyaksandr Lukashenka says his country is ready for a "constructive dialogue" with NATO.

Speaking to top Belarusian military officials in Minsk on February 19, Lukashenka said: "As a sovereign state we are open, in particular, to constructive dialogue with NATO on parity and transparency principles."

He added that "we have a lot of common issues [with NATO]; joint work on which fully meets Belarus’s interests."


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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:12 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Next? They're already a puppet state.


That is true. However-

Belarusian President Alyaksandr Lukashenka says his country is ready for a "constructive dialogue" with NATO.

Speaking to top Belarusian military officials in Minsk on February 19, Lukashenka said: "As a sovereign state we are open, in particular, to constructive dialogue with NATO on parity and transparency principles."

He added that "we have a lot of common issues [with NATO]; joint work on which fully meets Belarus’s interests."


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I'll be more impressed when they actually do something. Like, say, apply to join.
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