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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:19 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:
Because the systematic murder of millions of Jews, Slavs, gays, anti-socials, Poles, etc. is totally fine.

I'm not one of them.
Is it proven that all 11 million are killed?

16 million, actually.

Europe under Nazi rule might well have been a nicer place to live than real-life modern Europe. Providing you weren't Jewish, Muslim, black, Catholic, French, Slavic, Greek, a communist, a social democrat, a monarchist, a conservative, a libertarian, a capitalist, a non-German nationalist, homosexual, bisexual, transgender, autistic, mentally disabled, physically disabled, a woman, a gypsy...
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Postby Escasia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:19 am

This thread is the stuff of legend. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

On the actual topic, it could be argued that Germany was forced into war in order to escape the harsh treaty of Verseilles. However, even if they weren't so transparently trying to grab land in Europe they would have ended up at war anyway. Their Japanese allies were determined to carve up Manchuria to boost their dwindling resources, the Soviet Union was ogling Poland and had irreconcilable differences with the Nazis, Italy was a disaster just waiting to happen and the Germans were so pumped full of fanaticism that they probably would have rioted if the Reich didn't expand. On top of that, any reason they had for going to war doesn't remotely justify the things they did.

Or the war was caused by the looming threat of Poland and its iron fist, determined to dominate the world and subjugate all the German people. If Hitler hadn't done what he did, we'd all be speaking Polish right now. Even today, Poland's warrior hordes fan out across Europe, stealing all the jurbs before the third war of Polish aggression begins. :p
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:22 am

Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Dictators blaming America for all their problems? That's new.

What does the US do with all that economic power? Cause war when dictators get mad.
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Postby Aequalitia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:30 am

Esternial wrote:
Aequalitia wrote:I don't hope, but I think this topic goes more and more towards a denial of the holocaust.

"I wasn't there, so how can I be sure it happened?"

And more of that silly arguments to denial the holocaust.

Can't we just not allowing people to denial something like the holocaust who happened real and got tons and tons of proof that it did happened.
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Postby Viinborg » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:50 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:So are you saying we shouldn't have gone to war with Nazi Germany?

No but sometimes I think Europe would be a better place with Hitler ruling. I don't know why.

Go read a book.
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:57 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Get the fuck out.

Get out dirty Commie.

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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:59 am

Forced employment + failed public works programs + slave labour + massive debts = good economic policies

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Postby The Dauphinity of Cognito » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:03 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Get the fuck out.

Get out dirty Commie.


I think that is abuse, how do you report people?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:04 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57GKUtWzNs

I saw this video with a speech with Hitler.

It's about Hitler saying that Americans forced European nations to go in war against Germany.
With economic sanctions.

I know Hitler killed millions of people, but his economic should be looked at because they helped Germany to get rid of most economic problems like unemployment and poverty.

He killed the hyperinflation of the Weimar and "found work" for the employed and celebrated the middle classes and their work ethic.
In reality what he did was contract millions of the unemployed to work for pittance wages in dangerous and sometimes unsanitary conditions in labour intentionally de-mechanised to maximise the manpower utilised. So where, in building the Autobahns, a segment of roadway might have require a hundred men and ten dozers, the scheme was built to require five hundred men and two dozers (numbers invented).

They were off the unemployment register, but many were financially worse off by it and were directly threatened by their working conditions.
It should not be looked at as a case study.

Hitler's economic policies are well-documented. Like many fascist and communist economic policies, they were widely failures, if achieving a national goal.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:05 am

Yeah...

The Nazis declared war on the Netherlands, not the other way around, so I have a hard time feeling sorry for good ol' Adolf.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:05 am

The Dauphinity of Cognito wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:Get out dirty Commie.


I think that is abuse, how do you report people?

Copy the link to the offending post (click the "page" icon next to a post to link to that page, then copy it from your address bar) then post in in a thread in the Moderation forum.

It was also already dealt with the in the post directly above yours.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:11 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:
Because the systematic murder of millions of Jews, Slavs, gays, anti-socials, Poles, etc. is totally fine.

I'm not one of them.
Is it proven that all 11 million are killed?

Records have recently been discovered which seem to say that many more than the previously thought numbers had in fact been killed. Systematic genocide of the Jews alone tallies six million, plus particularly Slavs and those who died in POW camps on the Eastern Front (approximately 3.6 million of the 5.2 million Soviet prisoners are believed or known to have died in the camps). Initial numbers seem to indicate 10-12 million killed in the Holocaust and the wider policy of pogroms while newer figures indicate 15-20 million, I recall.

This would imply that the wider policy of ethnic cleansing of the Nazis killed as many or more people as the entire Eastern Front conflict (approximately 10.6 million Soviet forces and civilians killed directly by military action as well as 5.2 million Nazis and assimilated forces and German civilians).
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:53 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57GKUtWzNs

I saw this video with a speech with Hitler.

It's about Hitler saying that Americans forced European nations to go in war against Germany.
With economic sanctions.

I know Hitler killed millions of people, but his economic should be looked at because they helped Germany to get rid of most economic problems like unemployment and poverty.

He killed the hyperinflation of the Weimar and "found work" for the employed and celebrated the middle classes and their work ethic.
In reality what he did was contract millions of the unemployed to work for pittance wages in dangerous and sometimes unsanitary conditions in labour intentionally de-mechanised to maximise the manpower utilised. So where, in building the Autobahns, a segment of roadway might have require a hundred men and ten dozers, the scheme was built to require five hundred men and two dozers (numbers invented).

They were off the unemployment register, but many were financially worse off by it and were directly threatened by their working conditions.
It should not be looked at as a case study.

Hitler's economic policies are well-documented. Like many fascist and communist economic policies, they were widely failures, if achieving a national goal.

How is the Industrialization of the Soviet Union a failure?
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:53 am

I don't fucking care how many times the asshole got it right, because he got it almost entirely wrong.

I don't fucking like being killed for the crime of being born a mixture of Slavic, Baltic, Jewish and Turkic blood, so Hitler and his whole party and his whole halfassed book and that ideology can go plough themselves with a katana because it's nothing but hateful rhetoric sprinkled with a vast amount of intellectual dishonesty.

And while I do not wish this fate upon a certain even more intellectually dishonest cryptofascist who was loudly proclaiming that the motherfucking Poles - the nation who literally suffered the most - were the offenders in WW2 in this thread, I do honestly wish he'd fucking open a history book just once.
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Postby Ponyfornia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:05 am

Rainbows and Rivers wrote:Dictators blaming America for all their problems? That's new.


Haha, 'dis.
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Postby DesAnges » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:11 am

Arglorand wrote:I don't fucking like being killed for the crime of being born a mixture of Slavic, Baltic, Jewish and Turkic blood

You hit the genetic extermination jackpot there Arglo.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:14 am

DesAnges wrote:
Arglorand wrote:I don't fucking like being killed for the crime of being born a mixture of Slavic, Baltic, Jewish and Turkic blood

You hit the genetic extermination jackpot there Arglo.

Why does everyone insist on hating me. :P
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Postby DesAnges » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:15 am

Arglorand wrote:
DesAnges wrote:You hit the genetic extermination jackpot there Arglo.

Why does everyone insist on hating me. :P

Just pretend you're Swedish. No one dislikes the Swedes.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:18 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57GKUtWzNs

I saw this video with a speech with Hitler.

It's about Hitler saying that Americans forced European nations to go in war against Germany.
With economic sanctions.

I know Hitler killed millions of people, but his economic should be looked at because they helped Germany to get rid of most economic problems like unemployment and poverty.

there are just not enough jews left in the world to kill and steal all their stuff to fund an economic recovery. worked "great" for hitler, not possible for a country today.
whatever

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:19 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:He killed the hyperinflation of the Weimar and "found work" for the employed and celebrated the middle classes and their work ethic.
In reality what he did was contract millions of the unemployed to work for pittance wages in dangerous and sometimes unsanitary conditions in labour intentionally de-mechanised to maximise the manpower utilised. So where, in building the Autobahns, a segment of roadway might have require a hundred men and ten dozers, the scheme was built to require five hundred men and two dozers (numbers invented).

They were off the unemployment register, but many were financially worse off by it and were directly threatened by their working conditions.
It should not be looked at as a case study.

Hitler's economic policies are well-documented. Like many fascist and communist economic policies, they were widely failures, if achieving a national goal.

How is the Industrialization of the Soviet Union a failure?

I said many, not all.
Didn't many of the early Soviet programmes result in widespread crop failures (or heavy setbacks resulting from unrelated crop failures?)
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Postby Severnia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:25 am

Blasveck wrote:Hitler's economic policies were utter shit.

/thread



If America was any better the government wouldn't of shut down, Obama wouldn't be president, and we wouldn't care about Syria. Also if Nazi Germany's economy was utter shit then how did he manage to take 90% of Europe, like 5% of North Africa, and have one of the world's most advanced and largest military like Russia and the USA. I might be a Communist and I support Russia but I give kudos to my enemy Fascist Hitler

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:27 am

DesAnges wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Why does everyone insist on hating me. :P

Just pretend you're Swedish. No one dislikes the Swedes.


Ha!

It's clear you've never been to Denmark.

Or Finland.

Or Norway :P

They dislike them. They don't hate them, but it is a dislike of a brother (except in the case of Finland; that is more complicated).
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:30 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:How is the Industrialization of the Soviet Union a failure?

I said many, not all.
Didn't many of the early Soviet programmes result in widespread crop failures (or heavy setbacks resulting from unrelated crop failures?)

Blame Trotsky and his war communism bullshit.
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Postby DesAnges » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:43 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Just pretend you're Swedish. No one dislikes the Swedes.


Ha!

It's clear you've never been to Denmark.

Or Finland.

Or Norway :P

They dislike them. They don't hate them, but it is a dislike of a brother (except in the case of Finland; that is more complicated).

Silly Blaat, I thought the Dutch were good at spotting humour.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:47 am

DesAnges wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Why does everyone insist on hating me. :P

Just pretend you're Swedish. No one dislikes the Swedes.


You never "met" Fass then? :lol:
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