CATO claims welfare pays more than minimum wage

[Saiwania]

A study from the CATO institute has recently revealed that in most US states, people gain more from getting welfare benefits than with holding down a minimum wage job. The benefits that someone can be eligible for, amount to as much as the equivalent of $15 an hour compared to the federal minimum wage of only $7.50 an hour.

Do you think that there is anything wrong with that? I for one, think that this is outrageous. An honest wage for a day's work should never be exceeded by being economically idle. This gives people the incentive to not get a job.

Source: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f ... versus.pdf
Article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08 ... -wage-job/

[Quabi Quabi]

The minimum wage should be raised.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

A study from the CATO institute has recently revealed that in most US states, people gain more from getting welfare benefits than with holding down a minimum wage job. The benefits that someone can be eligible for, amount to as much as the equivalent of $15 an hour compared to the federal minimum wage of only $7.50 an hour.

Do you think that there is anything wrong with that? I for one, think that this is outrageous. An honest wage for a day's work should never be exceeded by being economically idle. This gives people the incentive to not get a job.

Source: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f ... versus.pdf
Article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08 ... -wage-job/

The benefits that who, exactly, can be eligible for? Under what circumstances? How long must the person have worked? How many dependents must the person have? What other factors are in order, here? And are we talking about a full-time job, or a part-time job?

[Zhou-Qin Union]

Don't source Fox News and CATO

[Blakk Metal]

You do realize most people on welfare already have jobs, right?

[Faith Hope Charity]

There should be no minimum wage or welfare.

[Neutraligon]

There should be no minimum wage or welfare.

The state has a vested interest in ensuring the well being of it's citizens.

[The Parkus Empire]

A study from the CATO institute has recently revealed that in most US states, people gain more from getting welfare benefits than with holding down a minimum wage job. The benefits that someone can be eligible for, amount to as much as the equivalent of $15 an hour compared to the federal minimum wage of only $7.50 an hour.

Do you think that there is anything wrong with that? I for one, think that this is outrageous. An honest wage for a day's work should never be exceeded by being economically idle. This gives people the incentive to not get a job.

Source: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f ... versus.pdf
Article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08 ... -wage-job/

>implying all you have to do to qualify for welfare is ask

So up the minimum wage

[4years]

The minimum wage should be raised.

Exactly.

[Cannot think of a name]

There should be no minimum wage or welfare.

Do you have something in mind that would handle the issues that these things were created to address?

[4years]

There should be no minimum wage or welfare.

Because increased poverty and unemployment are good things?

[Des-Bal]

I disagree with welfare as a principle but it stands to reason that any welfare system must be a less serviciable option than minimum wage.

[Minarchist States]

There should be no minimum wage or welfare.

The state has a vested interest in ensuring the well being of it's citizens.

The state has a vested interest in ensuring the slavery of it's working class through inefficient bureaucracy and excessive taxation.

[Bendira]

If people were rational actors and didn't cave to social stigmas then they would quit their minimum wage jobs and go to welfare, putting upward pressure on wages.

[Saiwania]

The minimum wage should be raised.

Keeping costs low will help stimulate the economy by keeping small businesses afloat. Raising the minimum wage too high, might increase the cost of living across the board and make the barrier to employment even tougher for low income workers. But I agree that minimum wage has to rise eventually, the highest I think I can agree to is $10 an hour.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

In Brazil I think the monthly welfare pays R$50 for each vaccined, schooled child and R$19 for each additional person in a house with 3 people or more, and the minimal monthly wage is some R$550-600.

The platform of most leftist parties is to raise the latter to R$1000. Not even starting school teachers get that, what is an absurd.

I think also that all doctors and dentists should work in public hospitals at least 3 years to get their certificates. They get way more money without actually helping people than they should.

[Pandeeria]

There should be no minimum wage or welfare.

No.

[Norstal]

A study from the CATO institute has recently revealed that in most US states, people gain more from getting welfare benefits than with holding down a minimum wage job. The benefits that someone can be eligible for, amount to as much as the equivalent of $15 an hour compared to the federal minimum wage of only $7.50 an hour.

Do you think that there is anything wrong with that? I for one, think that this is outrageous. An honest wage for a day's work should never be exceeded by being economically idle. This gives people the incentive to not get a job.

Source: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f ... versus.pdf
Article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08 ... -wage-job/

The benefits that who, exactly, can be eligible for? Under what circumstances? How long must the person have worked? How many dependents must the person have? What other factors are in order, here? And are we talking about a full-time job, or a part-time job?

Oh you and your "logic".

[Des-Bal]

No.

Have you spake with such authority that your statement requires no defense?

[Grave_n_idle]

A study from the CATO institute has recently revealed that in most US states, people gain more from getting welfare benefits than with holding down a minimum wage job. The benefits that someone can be eligible for, amount to as much as the equivalent of $15 an hour compared to the federal minimum wage of only $7.50 an hour.

Do you think that there is anything wrong with that? I for one, think that this is outrageous. An honest wage for a day's work should never be exceeded by being economically idle. This gives people the incentive to not get a job.

Source: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f ... versus.pdf
Article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08 ... -wage-job/

Do people on minimum wage receive any other aid programs?

Because if they can, Fox and CATO are both deliberately lying to you.

[Vazdania]

lower welfare payments...in fact eliminate welfare payments

[Grave_n_idle]

The minimum wage should be raised.

Keeping costs low will help stimulate the economy by keeping small businesses afloat.

Stimulating the economy requires money to actually be moving. Keeping costs low is not an economic stimulus.

[Pandeeria]

No.

Have you spake with such authority that your statement requires no defense?

It would increase inequality, poverty, and crime. Happy?

[Grave_n_idle]

lower welfare payments...in fact eliminate welfare payments

Why?

[Neoconstantius]

Don't source Fox News and CATO

Right. There's not a single shred of truth in this because the source is an organization whose views do not line up with your own.

It's good to recognize bias, but it's incredibly poor form to dismiss arguments as false solely because of their origin.