International Domestic Soccer Discussion

[Chromatika]

Please note that the Association Codes section of the latest access list/draws post is incorrect, with omissions of multiple new/returning associations for the cycle (e.g. Siovanija and Teusland - STL) and including associations who have not posted (e.g. Naixi - NIX or Cap Nord - CNR).

This has been rectified.

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Please note that the Association Codes section of the latest access list/draws post is incorrect, with omissions of multiple new/returning associations for the cycle (e.g. Siovanija and Teusland - STL) and including associations who have not posted (e.g. Naixi - NIX or Cap Nord - CNR).

This has been rectified.

Thank you for a very quick response!

[IFCF]

There was a seeding mistake regarding the LBCT because one of the councilpersons is a bit thick. It has been rectified. This means the first qualifying round has been redrawn.

[IFCF]

In the 2nd Qualifying Round of the IFCC, the following matches weren't scored with the correct competition(s) selected, leading to them reading "#-".

These have been rescored:

(RLS)                              Dasein    3–0    Sammy United FC                     (BAY)   3– –   
(INS)                 Southbay Riveria FC    1–0    Lehen Neorudo                       (MRT)   1– –   
(STL)               FK Metropola Borograd    4–0    Police/St Vincent                   (YSQ)   4– –  
(YGZ)                            Prado Ñu    2–0    Sindvpore FC                        (INS)   2– –

To these results:

(RLS)                              Dasein    3–6    Sammy United FC                     (BAY)   1–3   2–3 
(INS)                 Southbay Riveria FC    1–4    Lehen Neorudo                       (MRT)   0–3   1–1 
(STL)               FK Metropola Borograd    3–2    Police/St Vincent                   (YSQ)   1–1   2–1 
(YGZ)                            Prado Ñu    3–1    Sindvpore FC                        (INS)   2–1   1–0

Thankfully, the new winners are also unseeded, so this has no bearing on the 3rd Qualifying Round Draw. Sammy United FC and Lehen Neorudo will take the place of Dasein and Southbay Riveria FC in the already posted draw instead of redrawing.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

[Tikariot]

Quick notification that the transfer window will gently slam shut once the group stages have been posted. The bid tab will be locked, but you will still have full access to everything else and transfers can still be agreed on privately.

[Tikariot]

Alright, with the group stages posted, you now have 24 hours to finish off what you started, Last Chance Station!

[IFCF]

IFCF CC HOST ANNOUNCEMENT

In the Playoff Round of the IFCF CC, a mistake was made while randomizing the matchups - namely, the filter used to make sure seeded and unseeded teams cannot play between themselves was turned off by accident. This led to seven matchups between seeded teams and seven matchups between unseeded teams. As fourteen of twenty-four ties are affected, after deliberation among the council, it was decided that the IFCF CC will be rescored starting the Playoff Round, which will include the Group Stage and the upcoming Round of Thirty-Two/Round of Sixteen post.

This will also mean that the Association's Trophy will also need to be rescored as the ChC directly feeds into the AT.

My apologies on the error to anyone that's impacted. Also, please be warned that there may be a delay to sort all this out, make edits to the two posts impacted, and complete scoring the Ro32/Ro16.

-Chrom

[Tumbra]

As Nephara, the original writer of the excellent domestic league tutorials, has left the community, I've taken the liberty of compiling all 5 parts of their tutorials and placed it inside a factbook for easy reference for any future newbies wishing to learn how to write a good domestic league. The parts are located in the link below. Happy browsing.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tum ... id=1997238

[Daharia]

Thanks to the many guides and dispatches, I am on my way to creating a domestic soccer league. Thank you everyone!

[Kelssek]

Cleaning up my records, please note that my following overseas players will retire at the end of the current season, if they haven't already.

Connor Macdonald     DM C  40   Iturributa United   ASG
Linus Doolin         D C   40   Waldster FC         FVA
Damien Halliger      D C   39   Holdenberg City     EUR
Matts Bogdanor       M C   39   Carsby              EUR
Daniel Bélanger      M R   39   Rozelle Alliance    BRE
Mark Anderson        M C   39   Avenida Leal        FFD
Seamus Wylten        F C   39   Hondo FC            VAL
Loïc Maçon-Petrault  F C   38   Jaglan Royals       SRS
Marianne Abbott      M R   38   Bearden FC          XAN
Devin Alton          M RC  38   Villa               MUR
Amber Docherty       M R   37   Athletic Club Olarria   ASG
Ross Knanirck        D/M C 37   Lublova Reds        SRS
Marcus Manning       D LC  37   Fligsive FC         EOT
Lily Marshall        D C   37   Ulsa Rovers         EUR
Maxime Deschamps     M C   37   Dreamland City      BRO
Oliver Amhill        RM    37   Ibini FC            VAL
Rainier Froboess     AM/CF 37   Northern Stallions  SFD
Michal Spacek        D/M C 36   Trippville          XAN
Teadgh Brewer        D C   36   Fiskadaha           PFA
Pietro Salinas       GK    36   Marque              BRE
Kathy Franklin       D RC  36   Maigburg            GRF
Rémond Leste         D/M C 36   Aleiusia Capital    ZRH

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Hi folks.

Just making sure - the IFCF deadline is still the 21st right?

[IFCF]

Since we did not get to post this on the forums, and now I magically found access to this account and the forums, let me just help to confirm for our Discord-less friends that here is an extension to April 28. Same time, 23:59 Pacific Daylight Time.

[Delte]

Are there plans for an FFI instalment before the new IFCF season gets under way?

[Tumbra]

Are there any updates on a potential tweak to the IFCF Super Cup? I recall it being a rather contentious topic a while back.

[IFCF]

As part of the proposed Super Cup revamp, obviously there isn't a clear consensus on who and how many to include, so as previously discussed it will go up for a vote. RSC has been excluded as there doesn't seem to be many asking for them to be included. The options are as below:

1) CL - ChC - LBCT
2) CL - ChC - AT
3) CL - ChC - AT - CWC (LBCT as back-up if CWC winner doubles up)
4) CL - ChC - AT - LBCT
5) CL - ChC - AT - CWC - LBCT

Eligible users (IFCF users who have submitted in either 2 of the last 3 seasons, or 3 of the last 5) can cast a single vote, listing the choices in order of preference. Please submit votes to Olastor. The deadline for this vote will be the same as the IFCF deadline - Sunday 28th May 23:59 (Pacific Daylight Time).

Once we have the winning vote in terms of teams included, there may or may not be a further vote in terms of structure of the competition.

[IFCF]

It's been pointed out that I've written the wrong date on the above post. Just to clarify, the deadline for both the vote and for IFCF submissions is 28th April, not May. Also, please get those votes in.

[Taxhavn]

Are there plans for an FFI instalment before the new IFCF season gets under way?

Thanks to Poaf/FFI committee for getting this up in challenging circumstances! As it affects my entry I have updated my FFI qualifiers for the next cycle, and added a stadium bid, here; just in case this gets missed.

[IFCF]

Thanks to everyone who voted for the Super Cup revamp vote. Results are as follows:

Option			Round:	1st	2nd	3rd
3) CL - ChC - AT - CWC		5	5	8
2) CL - ChC - AT		4	5	5
5) CL - ChC - AT - CWC - LBCT	3	4
1) CL - ChC - LBCT		2
4) CL - ChC - AT - LBCT		0

Discussions regarding structure will be had backstage, but feel free to discuss/post your own ideas as well.

[Tumbra]

As the old Super Cup had two fixtures per team, imo the simplest way to do it would be a knockout bracket with CL/CWC on one side and ChC/AT on the other side of the bracket, then include a third-placed playoff. But if we want every team to play each other, then the current format, would do nicely.

[Tikariot]

Valued members of the NSS community. With the cutoff for IFCF 19 having been posted, I shall present to you Transfer Window 44.

Please treat it with respect as transgressions will be prosecuted to the fullest extent a fully anonymous spreadsheet will allow us to. Please keep in mind that some crimes against transferwindowity can be traced back to you and will result in silent judgement by the rest of the community, so consider yourself warned.

Please see below for a set of FAQs previously written by Nephara.

TRANSFER WINDOW FAQ
So, what is the transfer window? The transfer system is how players move from one club to another, and this transfer spreadsheet is how transfers across the multiverse are conducted. North Americans might be more familiar with the term 'trades'. In football, player-for-player exchanges are rare (though not unknown) and players are generally bought for money.

THE TABS:
Transfers is where completed transfers - generally but not necessarily, those bought and sold in the Bids tab - are pasted to.
Bids is where clubs bid for players - generally but not necessarily, from the Transfer List.
Transfer List is where clubs list players for sale, generally either of the club's desire to move on the player or the player's desire to move on from the club. There is a space to write both their core statistics and a biography / player history, which is mandatory to fill in.
Free Agents is where players who have been released by their clubs go. They can be picked up by new clubs without a bidding process. You are permitted to put high-value free agents on the Transfer List, however. You are encouraged to write biographies.
Managers is where managers are bought and sold, in a similar way to players. Put 'bids' in the 'Job Offers' tab, which will either be rejected or confirmed.
Newsfeed is where general fluff about the transfer window, or domestic football as a whole, goes.
League Glossary is a list of all associations ordered by their IFCF ability. Feel free to add your own and write a description of it, to show the world your league's character.
Transfer and Bid Lookup are easy ways to look up every transfer or bid involving your nation's clubs and players. Insert your trigramme (TRI) in the appropriate tile (don't touch anything else).
Nations is a list of nations, their trigrammes, and how many open bids they currently have to answer.
Notation / History is a list of the standard notations (the simple form 'GK / DF / MF / FW' or the standard form 'RB / CM / LW / ST' (etc.) along with diagrams of where they go on a football pitch, as well as a link to all prior transfer windows and the credits for the people who have made them work over the years.

Where to start? Put players you would like to see sold in the Transfer List tab. Put players who are going to be released by their clubs in the Free Transfers tab. You will have to manually approve transfers for people in the Transfer List - Free Transfers are just bought on a first-come, first-served basis.

So someone bid on my player. What now? Look at the bid in the Bids tab. You'll notice there's two different columns - Club and Player accepting the bid. Generally speaking, the Club only cares about the transfer fee and if it meets its valuation. It doesn't matter how good the buying club is - the money's the same to the selling club. The player doesn't care about the money that the selling club gets, they only care about if the selling club is good, and if they meet their expectations. Selling clubs want more money, sold players are looking for clubs with more prestige.

How do I determine what leagues are good? The IFCF league rankings determine objective measures of strength. You will also want to consider the strength of the club in its given league - the Nepharan Zenith is a stronger league than the Brenecian A-League, but your player may well prefer to go to regular A-League winners Kingsgrove than Zenith strugglers Leichhardt. Most players also weigh RP quality of a given league into consideration, though only well-RPed leagues will get to the high ranks anyway. The League Glossary section of the sheet also shows the ranks of active leagues alongside short descriptions.

Can I put just anyone up? If the player isn't relevant enough for you to want to write a description for them, they aren't worth putting on the sheet.

How can I buy players? It's the same in reverse. What players do you want to see in your leagues? If they're on the Transfer List, put a Bid for them in the Bids tab. At minimum, this will probably be their cited Valuation. If the club and the player both agree by putting a Y in the relevant tab, then it's a done deal! The player is yours.

What about players who aren't on the Transfer List? You can bid for them, too! The worst that can happen is that the other person says no.

What about Free Transfers? Just put your club and trigramme in the red New Club columns. It's automatically a done deal.

How should I value my players? And how much can I reasonably bid? Fortunately, the NSS economy is far less stratified than the real-world football economy. Instead of big players changing hands for hundreds of millions of Euro, while most leagues outside Europe will never see a transfer of even one million, there's more parity across IFCF and this is reflected in more even results. If it's your first season, your top-half teams might have a full million to spend on a transfer fee, with most of the purchased foreigners being free transfers. Your best player, if they're in the prime of their career (roughly 25-29, but youth adds value, so 24-25 is probably peak value for a player), might fetch one or two million. Other starters on your national team might go for about a million, and ambitious guys in your league hoping to break into your national team will probably fetch like half a million.

Is that a hard and fast rule? No, and there are exceptions. Maybe your league is like the real-life Saudi Pro League, a low-prestige league with a lot of money. It's entirely fair to throw a lot of cash around without much prestige, just as long as you're aware of that status. More generally, nobody is going to police you for Doing Things Wrong.

What should my expectations be like for my first season? Modest. Out of a few bids for less prominent players, often in their early- to mid-30s, a few will probably be accepted - and, of course, look through Free Transfers for players who appeal to you. Be realistic, of course - a guy who is like 31 and is still an active international for a strong team is probably not going to join your lower leagues just because he's in the Free Transfers tab - but beyond those obvious cases, you don't need to second-guess yourself. Also, only your top tier is going to be a viable destination for pretty much anyone good enough to be listed on the window, and I'd recommend focusing almost entirely on the top tier for your first few seasons of RPing anyway.

If I have a free agent player, but I care about their destination, can I put them on the Transfer List anyway? Yes. Any bid for them will be for 0 - there's no club with their contract to take the money - and you are free to accept whatever destination you'd like.

Can I start yet? Yes!

What are some general points of etiquette?
BLACK TABS: Anything in a black tab is not for you to edit. That's where formulas go, and messing around with them is likely to break the sheet.
ORDER OF TABS: Do not change them. It is, in fairness, easy to mistakenly click-drag them out of position; if you do, please drag it where you left it. The first four tabs are always TRANSFERS - BIDS - TRANSFER LIST - FREE AGENTS.
LEAGUE GLOSSARY: To avoid clutter, please only include up to two tiers, and ideally just your two primary associations unless there's a pressing need to have more.
SIGNING PLAYERS TO LOWER TIERS: There is an expectation that you only sign players to divisions you intend to roleplay, and when you're starting out, a strong expectation you only sign players to the top tier. As a general rule of thumb, when you are in the top 32 IFCF rankings, your second tier might start to attract foreign free agents.
WHO PUTS A SIGNED PLAYER IN 'TRANSFERS'?: Whoever places down the final 'Y' of Club or Player Accepted has to take that line and paste it into the Transfers tab in order to seal in a transfer. As a result, a player with Y/Y in Club/Player Accepts is assumed to be de facto signed. Do not input the Y in those columns unless you are genuinely putting the green light to that transfer. Obviously, do not accept or reject transfers on behalf of other users.
FREE AGENTS: Please attach a club to your signing of free agents, rather than using something to the effect of "Club TBD". While this is acceptable, if frowned upon, in the transfer window, given that there is less control over free agents it is good courtesy to be prepared with a named club the player will sign for, instead of effectively reserving a player when you are yet to decide what you will do with them.
COMMENTS AND NOTES: Use 'notes' instead of comments to cut down on clutter in the row of tabs (and so as not to email whoever is currently the owner of the transfer window sheet). These can be useful for adding details - e. g. specifying that a bid for a young prospect will see them play with the reserves for a couple of seasons - but please use in moderation.
IN GENERAL: It's okay to make a mess so long as you clean up after yourself.

How can I use the filters?
The 'pyramids' on the top rank of most of the sheets can be used to filter details, but when used they will filter for everyone. To avoid inconveniencing other users, please either make sure to use them for short periods and then 'unfilter' them afterwards, or go to 'Data > Filter views > Create a new filter' and make your own instance of the sheet's filters.
If you need to remove someone else's filters, click on the pyramid and click 'Select All'. DO NOT 'Data > Turn off filter', which removes the filters entirely and just means they have to be put back.

Have other questions, or just want to hang out and chat? Then feel free to join the NS Sport Discord server!

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[Abanhfleft]

With the opening of the transfer window, it's time for me to clear out my rosters one more time in order to get a fresh start for next season. I've got guys in my teams that you guys may have forgotten about, so if you see any of your players in this list, feel free to contact me via TG or PM on Discord and tell me what I should do with them. Main options are Keep, Sell, and Retire. (Ages may not be in sync with yours. I haven't been active on the domestic front, I'm sure you're all aware.

ABAJA
Paul Osomoai (35)

APOX
Jak Herrera (35)
Quintrell Lidgley (31)

ASTOGRATH
Arabante Zardain (28)

BONESEA
AP Kelly (35)
Buddock Mawla (37)
Curan Paynter (37)

COMMONWEALTH OF BAKER PARK
Freddie Altman (30)
Jamie Austin (36)

CCG (CHINESE CONGO?)
Giorgino Budzik (33)

DAINER
Psiquiq (36)

DUTCH SEMARLAND
Chinonso Ogbonna (37)

EASTFIELD LODGE
Fawqiyya Arvidsson (33)

ETHANE
Edouard Sauvegeau (29)

FARFADILLIS
Qian Zhung Fura (23)

FLAVOVESPIA
Christopher Johnson (33)
John Lawler (35)
Scott Gillespie (29)

GEEKTOPIA
Amisa Fatabbujbi (27)

GOUVANARCH
Judoc Tanet (34)

KRYTENIA
Anthony King (27)

MERTAGNE
Pertinax Tikeers (26)

NAIXI
Wei Yan Lin (29)

NEPHARA
Valery Michalak (33)

OISINISTAN
Will Newman (35)

PEMECUTAN
Wayan Rai Mantra (22)

POAFMERSIA
Aapeli Shea (30)
Keven Massey (29)

PYAZHNAYA
Egor Gavrikov (34)
Marat Tkachev (30)
Rostislav Chukreyev (24)

SAVOJARNA
Joni Laurismäki (30)

SCHUTZENPHALIA AND WEST RUHNTUHNKUHNLAND
Lucas von Wolfberg (27)

SIOVANIJA AND TEUSLAND
Marvin Peiper (31)
Stephen Bader (28)

SOUTH NEWLANDIA
Kenzo Harrison (30)
Li Braveheart (32)

SQUORNSHELAN REMNANT STATES
Artyom Gradovic (34)
Brago Inanzala (36)
Emil Groshev (20)
Laviska Ryarm (36)
Yihun Peura (37)

SYLESTONE
Juan Francois (29)

TIKARIOT
Cavaghn Boyce (32)

TUMBRA
Charlie Lester (37)
Oliver Ganson (37)

UNIFIED SUNRISE ISLANDS
Kevin Portmeaunteau (33)

UNION OF QUINCY
Chia Jao (30)

XANNERIA
Anthony Mauritus (32)
Clyde Jefferson (34)
Dillon Bruster (25)
Micah Hackney (33)
Ricky Bryan (36)
Stewart Stuevesaynt (36)
Vin Vaught (31)
Zeke Pelitto (28)

YUE ZHOU
Feng Jingfei (33)

ZETA REKA AND HUGELTALDOM
Damjan Protic (33)