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In your nation, what is the usual punishment for marital rape?

There is no punishment.
36
11%
Prison, but for less time than other kinds of rape.
14
4%
Prison, for the same amount of time as other kinds of rape.
187
58%
Prison, for more time than other kinds of rape.
16
5%
Capital punishment.
42
13%
None of the above, other.
26
8%
 
Total votes : 321

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The Eternal Kawaii
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Postby The Eternal Kawaii » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:26 am

Christian Democrats wrote:And let's not forget this. :palm:
Spiritwolf wrote:In my Nation, entering into marriage implies consent to sexual relations. It is understood that your husband (or your wife) HAVE A RIGHT to physical sexual intimacy/sex with you. A wife or husband MAY NOT refuse sex to their spouse.


No doubt the ambassador of Christian Democrats holds this up as an example of some nations' "primitive, archaic" views on marriage. It should be pointed out, though, that in many cultures, Kawaiians included, marriage as an institution is intended for the creation of the next generation of life. Entering into marriage under Kawaiian law implies an agreement to have children, the Cute One willing. Obviously then, it implies consent--to a certain extent--to sexual relations. There is nothing coercive about this, since marriage is an agreement freely entered into. We ask again--is the ambassador from Christian Democrats willing to stand forth and declare Kawaiian marriage law the equivalent of rape?
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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:08 pm

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:No doubt the ambassador of Christian Democrats holds this up as an example of some nations' "primitive, archaic" views on marriage. It should be pointed out, though, that in many cultures, Kawaiians included, marriage as an institution is intended for the creation of the next generation of life. Entering into marriage under Kawaiian law implies an agreement to have children, the Cute One willing. Obviously then, it implies consent--to a certain extent--to sexual relations. There is nothing coercive about this, since marriage is an agreement freely entered into. We ask again--is the ambassador from Christian Democrats willing to stand forth and declare Kawaiian marriage law the equivalent of rape?

I do not know enough about the intricacies of your laws to judge the morality or lack thereof of your people's views on marriage.

In my country, consent to marriage is not considered consent to sexual activity; however, there are grounds for annulment if:

  • The spouse refuses to consummate the marriage;
  • The spouse is incapable of consummating the marriage; or
  • The spouse, when marrying, is not open to procreation.
In a sense, I have no problem with the implication that consent to marriage is consent to reproduction. That said, annulment is proper if a spouse does not fulfill a marital obligation. Rape, regardless of marital status, is always wrong. In that sense, verbal agreement to marry during a marital ceremony never shall be considered agreement to sexual intercourse. A marriage is not complete until consummation. If consummation never occurs, then the marriage itself was never completed. The so-called marriage is invalid and never existed.
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GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
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GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
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Postby Sardakhar » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:38 pm

81% for this resolution with only 4 hours to go. We in Sardakhar are already preparing to celebrate this great step in the advancement of morality of all sapient beings in existence.

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Sionis Prioratus
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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:46 pm

Now to wait for CD's next resolution on marriage issues... :roll:

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Postby Sardakhar » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:13 pm

General Assembly Resolution #231: Marital Rape Justice Act passed with 9.741 (81%) votes in favor and 2.246 (19%) votes against.

What a Christmas resolution...
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:06 pm

Sardakhar wrote:General Assembly Resolution #231: Marital Rape Justice Act passed with 9.741 (81%) votes in favor and 2.246 (19%) votes against.

What a Christmas resolution...


Yes what a Christmas resoultion,

A bunch of BLIND ambassadors passed an illegal act, that the mod's dropped the ball on.

Quite a victory.

Enjoy it while you can, as you will be defending it till the end of time from constant repeals.

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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:14 pm

OOC: My Civil Rights just went down THREE points at the same time I received a Compliance TG! Fantastic... NOT! :palm:
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Postby ALMF » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:26 pm

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:And let's not forget this. :palm:


No doubt the ambassador of Christian Democrats holds this up as an example of some nations' "primitive, archaic" views on marriage. It should be pointed out, though, that in many cultures, Kawaiians included, marriage as an institution is intended for the creation of the next generation of life. Entering into marriage under Kawaiian law implies an agreement to have children, the Cute One willing. Obviously then, it implies consent--to a certain extent--to sexual relations. There is nothing coercive about this, since marriage is an agreement freely entered into. We ask again--is the ambassador from Christian Democrats willing to stand forth and declare Kawaiian marriage law the equivalent of rape?

We are willing to step foreword and call it borderline and a primitive, archaic view on marriage. The latter not only in "...it implies consent--to a certain extent--to sexual relations." but also in any inherent tie between marriage and reproduction.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:19 am

If there was ever a WA resolution our nation could actually be proud to support, it would be this one. We are glad to have done our very minor part in helping this pass and were surprised that this wasn't already law for WA nations.
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:13 pm

Saiwania wrote:We are glad to have done our very minor part in helping this pass and were surprised that this wasn't already law for WA nations.


IT WAS ALREADY!!

This act is illegal under duplication rules, the mods dropped the ball and have admitted to it.

I believe the mods should let us repeal it using the argument that it is illegal, just to set things straight.
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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:16 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:the mods dropped the ball and have admitted to it.

Where did they do that?
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Postby Enn » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:29 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:
Saiwania wrote:We are glad to have done our very minor part in helping this pass and were surprised that this wasn't already law for WA nations.


IT WAS ALREADY!!

This act is illegal under duplication rules, the mods dropped the ball and have admitted to it.

I believe the mods should let us repeal it using the argument that it is illegal, just to set things straight.

By virtue of this passing, it is declared legal. Even the most gratuitous example of a resolution not meeting the rules for proposals (Max Barry Day) had to be repealed on other grounds.
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Postby Flibbleites » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:33 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:
Saiwania wrote:We are glad to have done our very minor part in helping this pass and were surprised that this wasn't already law for WA nations.


IT WAS ALREADY!!

This act is illegal under duplication rules, the mods dropped the ball and have admitted to it.
As the Generalites would say, "Source?"

United Federation of Canada wrote:I believe the mods should let us repeal it using the argument that it is illegal, just to set things straight.

As Enn said, Max Barry Day, which the mods did admit slipped past them, had to be repealed on other grounds than legality. That's not to say that legality arguments can't be used in the debate, but they can't be used in the repeal's text.

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Postby ALMF » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:46 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:
IT WAS ALREADY!!

This act is illegal under duplication rules, the mods dropped the ball and have admitted to it.
As the Generalites would say, "Source?"

United Federation of Canada wrote:I believe the mods should let us repeal it using the argument that it is illegal, just to set things straight.

As Enn said, Max Barry Day, which the mods did admit slipped past them, had to be repealed on other grounds than legality. That's not to say that legality arguments can't be used in the debate, but they can't be used in the repeal's text.

The only way I wold support a repeal wold be a civil rights replacement (to prevent the end-runs around rape laws shone repeatedly in this form) that was of higher quality.
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Postby The Eternal Kawaii » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:15 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Eternal Kawaii wrote:No doubt the ambassador of Christian Democrats holds this up as an example of some nations' "primitive, archaic" views on marriage. It should be pointed out, though, that in many cultures, Kawaiians included, marriage as an institution is intended for the creation of the next generation of life. Entering into marriage under Kawaiian law implies an agreement to have children, the Cute One willing. Obviously then, it implies consent--to a certain extent--to sexual relations. There is nothing coercive about this, since marriage is an agreement freely entered into. We ask again--is the ambassador from Christian Democrats willing to stand forth and declare Kawaiian marriage law the equivalent of rape?

I do not know enough about the intricacies of your laws to judge the morality or lack thereof of your people's views on marriage.


Then why in the Cute One's Name does the ambassador feel qualified to draft legislation impacting it? Are there not enough busybodies in this Assembly?
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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:31 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:the mods dropped the ball and have admitted to it.

Where did they do that?


Gee, do you really want to argue that in a court of law? One might say this is nit picking but this post of YOURS.

Sanctaria wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:Now it appears we have a precedent set for duplicate resolutions to pass, as this example can now be used as legal justification.

What's next, ammending resolutions that were already passed? (I am writing my target list right now)

...No, no we haven't.

Resolutions have slipped passed the Mods before, doesn't mean the rules were changed because of them.

Honestly, where does this "precedent" stuff come out of. Stare decisis isn't in operation here. Max could turn around tomorrow and change the rules at a whim.


Is a pretty good expression of guilt. You pretty much assumed the resolution was illegal in that post but insisted it did not change precedent.
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Postby Ossitania » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:19 pm

Retired WerePenguins wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:Where did they do that?


Gee, do you really want to argue that in a court of law? One might say this is nit picking but this post of YOURS.

Sanctaria wrote:...No, no we haven't.

Resolutions have slipped passed the Mods before, doesn't mean the rules were changed because of them.

Honestly, where does this "precedent" stuff come out of. Stare decisis isn't in operation here. Max could turn around tomorrow and change the rules at a whim.


Is a pretty good expression of guilt. You pretty much assumed the resolution was illegal in that post but insisted it did not change precedent.


Er, what? You know Sanc isn't a mod right?
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Postby Sanctaria » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:23 pm

Ossitania wrote:
Retired WerePenguins wrote:
Gee, do you really want to argue that in a court of law? One might say this is nit picking but this post of YOURS.



Is a pretty good expression of guilt. You pretty much assumed the resolution was illegal in that post but insisted it did not change precedent.


Er, what? You know Sanc isn't a mod right?

Eh, yeah. Sorry guys, I'm not a Mod.
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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:29 am

That's why I said a court of law. As they say the issues editor is "close enough for government work."

Trying to get a statement from an actual mod is like trying to get blood from a stone.

Don't belittle yourself ... your're IMPOTENT.
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Postby Sanctaria » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:39 am

Retired WerePenguins wrote:That's why I said a court of law. As they say the issues editor is "close enough for government work."

I'm sure if I attempted to warn you, you'd have a different opinion :p
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Postby Knootoss » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:52 am

I go away on a six month coke-fuelled murdering spree and suddenly we have to pay for other countries' education. And now the Assembly is mini-managing sex laws, peering into our bedroom windows! Unacceptable! This law must be repealed!~

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Postby United Federation of Canada » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:06 pm

Knootoss wrote:I go away on a six month coke-fuelled murdering spree and suddenly we have to pay for other countries' education. And now the Assembly is mini-managing sex laws, peering into our bedroom windows! Unacceptable! This law must be repealed!~

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Agreed!!

Will your fine delegation please craft a repeal to this?

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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:08 pm

To comply with the new Act, East Lower Golgo will pass it's first anti rape laws ever.
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:12 pm

We recognize and sympathize with the principled opposition to this resolution, although we voted for it. For what it is worth, we suggest a companion Human Rights proposal recognizing 'Freedom from Assault', 'Freedom from Sexual Assault', or what have you. The categorization of this resolution is a bit bizarre, we must agree.
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Postby Third World Saints » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:23 pm

In the Incorporated States, we prefer to first chemically castrate rapists, then send them to an isolated Lifer Colony where the only people they can threaten is each other, medication or no. By and large, once they are no longer being plagued by excess testosterone, they make surprisingly effective workers.

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