Capitalism vs. Communism

[Blakk Metal]

Any evidence to support any of this?



This post made me want to cry.

All of history thus far strongly supports/hints at this conclusion...^{[citation needed]}

Try again

[The Grey Wolf]

Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.

Just out of curiosity, where does this wealth come from?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

One sentence from you is not a citation.

common sense needs no citation...

"Common sense" is nothing more than a more elegant wording of "because I say so", or "I think so, therefore you should too".

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.

Just out of curiosity, where does this wealth come from?

Theoretically, from the abundance of goods produced from the increased productivity in communist society.

[The Grey Wolf]

Just out of curiosity, where does this wealth come from?

Theoretically, from the abundance of goods produced from the increased productivity in communist society.

And has Communist society ever resulted in "increased productivity."?

[Napkiraly]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Basically, there is such an abundance of goods that ones needs can always be satisfied.

This follows after "to each according to his contribution".

Of course, how one's "needs" are determined is another issue.

Mhm, of course.

[Napkiraly]

Theoretically, from the abundance of goods produced from the increased productivity in communist society.

And has Communist society ever resulted in "increased productivity."?

Considering it has never existed....

And Marx said this would be because technology will become so advanced physical labour is no longer required. So if we go by the argument that things such as automation/increased mechanization of the workforce increases productivity, then yes, it should.

[Divair]

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[Nationalist State of Knox]

Theoretically, from the abundance of goods produced from the increased productivity in communist society.

And has Communist society ever resulted in "increased productivity."?

No such society has existed.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

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We just loved the OP too much.

[Blakk Metal]

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.

Just out of curiosity, where does this wealth come from?

Other people.

common sense needs no citation...

"Common sense" is nothing more than a more elegant wording of "because I everybody says so", or "I We think so, therefore you should to".

Corrected.

Theoretically, from the abundance of goods produced from the increased productivity in communist society.

And has Communist society ever resulted in "increased productivity."?

That currently can't be answered, but generally people do more and when they do what they want to do.

[Napkiraly]

Oh yay, this thread is back.

That is not dead which can eternal lie yet with strange aeons even death may die. *nod*

[Heavenly Peace]

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.

Just out of curiosity, where does this wealth come from?

Production and the mutual exchange between individuals.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Blakk Metal: Next time kindly check the dates before attempting to revive the dead. It can make an unholy mess of the forums, not to mention all the shambling, moaning, and zombie virus infestations that go along with it. Unpleasant. *nods*

As y'all seem to have a lively enough discussion going on for several pages now, I suppose we'll just let it run, but for future reference? Please. Let's not gravedig. Thanks, folks.

[Jassysworth 1]

common sense needs no citation...

"Common sense" is nothing more than a more elegant wording of "because I say so", or "I think so, therefore you should too".

No... it is common sense that you can't have large scale stateless, moneyless, and classless societies solving all of the world's major problems.

1) It's impractical to create such societies
2) It's impossible to sustain such societies on a large scale
3) Any attempts to create such societies, if taken far enough, will bring chaos, death, and destruction to the world
4) Only those who are incredibly naive would believe communism is possible.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

"Common sense" is nothing more than a more elegant wording of "because I say so", or "I think so, therefore you should too".

No... it is common sense that you can't have large scale stateless, moneyless, and classless societies solving all of the world's major problems.

1) It's impractical to create such societies
2) It's impossible to sustain such societies on a large scale
3) Any attempts to create such societies, if taken far enough, will bring chaos, death, and destruction to the world
4) Only those who are incredibly naive would believe communism is possible.

"Hey, did you know the Earth is flat?"
"What's your proof?"
"Common sense."

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

"Common sense" is nothing more than a more elegant wording of "because I say so", or "I think so, therefore you should too".

No... it is common sense that you can't have large scale stateless, moneyless, and classless societies solving all of the world's major problems.

"Common sense" is not an argument because it is literally just presenting your personal opinion as if it is the summation of objective reality.

1) It's impractical to create such societies^{[citation needed]}
2) It's impossible to sustain such societies on a large scale^{[citation needed]}
3) Any attempts to create such societies, if taken far enough, will bring chaos, death, and destruction to the world^{[citation needed]}
4) Only those who are incredibly naive would believe communism is possible.^{Ad hominem? Ad hominem.}

You might like to try providing sources for such sweeping claims.

[Duvniask]

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What is dead may never die.

[Vazdania]

Oh yay, this thread is back.

What is dead may never die.

Don't let it live!

[4years]

"Common sense" is nothing more than a more elegant wording of "because I say so", or "I think so, therefore you should too".

No... it is common sense that you can't have large scale stateless, moneyless, and classless societies solving all of the world's major problems.

1) It's impractical to create such societies
2) It's impossible to sustain such societies on a large scale
3) Any attempts to create such societies, if taken far enough, will bring chaos, death, and destruction to the world
4) Only those who are incredibly naive would believe communism is possible.

Where's your proof that acceleration do to gravity varies with mass?
"Common sense"
1. Sauce?
2. Sauce?
3. Sauce?
4. Ad hominem.

[Yorkopolis]

Did I make myself unclear when I said "need"?

No, you did not.

Need and want are 2 very different things, you should know that.

[Heavenly Peace]

No, you did not.

Need and want are 2 very different things, you should know that.

That was the very point I was attempting to make in the first place. Thank you for reiterating it.

[Blakk Metal]

"Common sense" is nothing more than a more elegant wording of "because I say so", or "I think so, therefore you should too".

No... it is common sense that you can't have large scale stateless, moneyless, and classless societies solving all of the world's major problems.

1) It's impractical to create such societies

Claim

2) It's impossible to sustain such societies on a large scale

Claim

3) Any attempts to create such societies, if taken far enough, will bring chaos, death, and destruction to the world

Claim

4) Only those who are incredibly naive would believe communism is possible.

Flame?

No proof to be found.

No... it is common sense that you can't have large scale stateless, moneyless, and classless societies solving all of the world's major problems.

1) It's impractical to create such societies
2) It's impossible to sustain such societies on a large scale
3) Any attempts to create such societies, if taken far enough, will bring chaos, death, and destruction to the world
4) Only those who are incredibly naive would believe communism is possible.

Where's your proof that acceleration do to gravity varies with mass?
"Common sense"

In an atmosphere?

[4years]

No... it is common sense that you can't have large scale stateless, moneyless, and classless societies solving all of the world's major problems.

1) It's impractical to create such societies

Claim

2) It's impossible to sustain such societies on a large scale

Claim

3) Any attempts to create such societies, if taken far enough, will bring chaos, death, and destruction to the world

Claim

4) Only those who are incredibly naive would believe communism is possible.

Flame?

No proof to be found.

Where's your proof that acceleration do to gravity varies with mass?
"Common sense"

In an atmosphere?

No.
Galileo demonstrated Aristotle's 'common sense' to be just a little bit off on that point, I believe.

[Blakk Metal]

In an atmosphere?

No.
Galileo demonstrated Aristotle's 'common sense' to be just a little bit off on that point, I believe.

..in a vacuum.