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by Holy Nordic Empire » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:33 am
by Socialdemokraterne » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:37 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:There is hope for the homosexual. God forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behavior (1 Corinthians 6:11). As well as forgiveness, God's grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to God (Romans 6:6-7). If repentance and reform are genuine, prior homosexual actions should not be a bar to church membership or ministry, as all Christians are reformed sinners.
“Liberal” churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behavior in the name of “love.” They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, “because they can't help it.” They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), with the power of moral choice.
Furthermore, the gospel proclaims liberation from the bondage of sin, including homosexual sin, whereas the “liberals” tell the homosexual that they cannot help it, and they can't help them either, so they will accept them as they are! However, many a person has been gloriously rescued from the bondage of homosexual sin (and other sin) by the power of the Holy Spirit, but only Bible-believing Christians can offer such hope.
by AiliailiA » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:43 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Phaedrus Imperator » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:43 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:Jafas United wrote:The Church of Sweden, which is a Lutheran church, is very liberal. Homosexuals are allowed to may in their churches and the Bishop of Härnösand (which is about 5 hours north of Stockholm) is lesbian. I guess though, the CoS had to reform to conform with the minds of a very secular and liberal nation.
That being said the Lutheran Church of Finland, which I was born into is still quite conservative, when it comes to homosexuality. Perhaps in time that will change, but we're still doing better than most American churches.
The political correctness and humanism of the Swedes disgust me. You are not doing better than anyone and especially not better than the conservative American churches who seem to be the only one left to defend the true words of the Bible.
A lesbian bishop... should I laugh or cry? The church of Sweden is not Lutheran, it's satanic.
by AiliailiA » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:46 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:There is hope for the homosexual.
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by AiliailiA » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:48 am
Phaedrus Imperator wrote:Holy Nordic Empire wrote:
The political correctness and humanism of the Swedes disgust me. You are not doing better than anyone and especially not better than the conservative American churches who seem to be the only one left to defend the true words of the Bible.
A lesbian bishop... should I laugh or cry? The church of Sweden is not Lutheran, it's satanic.
No, they're just not all ...
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:49 am
by The USOT » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:52 am
Few things to say about that.Holy Nordic Empire wrote:There is hope for the homosexual. Dave forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behavior (1 Corinthians 6:11). As well as forgiveness, Dave`s grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to Dave (Romans 6:6-7). If repentance and reform are genuine, prior homosexual actions should not be a bar to church membership or ministry, as all Christians are reformed sinners.
Thats not "reducing someone to the level of an animal" thats not denying them the chance to experience love which is supposedly the overarching theme of your God. Besides, its a moot point. If a homosexual chooses to practice homosexuality, they are still making a moral choice, and indeed often practice moral responsibility. Just not the one you espouse.“Liberal” churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behavior in the name of “love.” They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, “because they can't help it.” They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), with the power of moral choice.
This still seems backward. If I cripple someones arm, any rational person would not say to the victim "you most go repent and seek forgiveness from The USOT" but instead prosecute me.Furthermore, the gospel proclaims liberation from the bondage of sin, including homosexual sin, whereas the “liberals” tell the homosexual that they cannot help it, and they can't help them either, so they will accept them as they are! However, many a person has been gloriously rescued from the bondage of homosexual sin (and other sin) by the power of the Holy Spirit, but only Bible-believing Christians can offer such hope.
by AiliailiA » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:52 am
Turan Federasyonu wrote:Maybe. But established atheism is no smaller evil.
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Holy Nordic Empire » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:53 am
Socialdemokraterne wrote:Holy Nordic Empire wrote:There is hope for the homosexual. God forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behavior (1 Corinthians 6:11). As well as forgiveness, God's grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to God (Romans 6:6-7). If repentance and reform are genuine, prior homosexual actions should not be a bar to church membership or ministry, as all Christians are reformed sinners.
“Liberal” churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behavior in the name of “love.” They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, “because they can't help it.” They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), with the power of moral choice.
Furthermore, the gospel proclaims liberation from the bondage of sin, including homosexual sin, whereas the “liberals” tell the homosexual that they cannot help it, and they can't help them either, so they will accept them as they are! However, many a person has been gloriously rescued from the bondage of homosexual sin (and other sin) by the power of the Holy Spirit, but only Bible-believing Christians can offer such hope.
Um...are you just going to preach about homosexuals the whole time? Or are you actually going to address the thread topic and discuss the establishment of a state religion? Because if it's the former, could you kindly do it somewhere else?
by Socialdemokraterne » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:56 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:
I didn't start the gay/lesbian issue. I just responded to those who brought up the issue. When it comes to the state religion issue our atheist Danish government's agenda is to dechristianize the society by destroying the church - an importing part of our cultural heritage.
by AiliailiA » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:59 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:Socialdemokraterne wrote:
Um...are you just going to preach about homosexuals the whole time? Or are you actually going to address the thread topic and discuss the establishment of a state religion? Because if it's the former, could you kindly do it somewhere else?
I didn't start the gay/lesbian issue. I just responded to those who brought up the issue. When it comes to the state religion issue our atheist Danish government's agenda is to dechristianize the society by destroying the church - an importing part of our cultural heritage.
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Terruana » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:13 am
by Holy Nordic Empire » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:15 am
Socialdemokraterne wrote:Holy Nordic Empire wrote:
I didn't start the gay/lesbian issue. I just responded to those who brought up the issue. When it comes to the state religion issue our atheist Danish government's agenda is to dechristianize the society by destroying the church - an importing part of our cultural heritage.
Your spoiler is empty...
Do you have evidence that the Danish government is actively trying to destroy the Church of Denmark?
by Terruana » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:24 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:Socialdemokraterne wrote:
Your spoiler is empty...
Do you have evidence that the Danish government is actively trying to destroy the Church of Denmark?
Evidence! How many do you need? They are by law forcing the church to carry out homosexual weddings even though a majority of the bishops are against the government's intervention. Confirmation classes are removed from the schedule in most public schools. Christian knowledge is being downgraded in public schools in general. in addition they are forcing Christian private schools the teach the students about the false doctrine of Darwin's theory of evolution.
by Jafas United » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:32 am
Terruana wrote:I'm not really seeing the difference. So it's okay to be gay, so long as you never ever do anything about it and pretend to be straight?
Also, even assuming for argument's sake that homosexuality is a sin, why does that mean they can't marry? Adultery is a sin, yet we let people who cheat on their spouses re-marry. Hell, pretty much everything's a sin, so why is homosexuality the only sin that disqualifies you from being able to marry?
by Terruana » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:37 am
Jafas United wrote:Terruana wrote:I'm not really seeing the difference. So it's okay to be gay, so long as you never ever do anything about it and pretend to be straight?
In the opinions of many Christian churches, yes. However, many are reforming and that isn't the case anymore e.g. Church of Sweden.Also, even assuming for argument's sake that homosexuality is a sin, why does that mean they can't marry? Adultery is a sin, yet we let people who cheat on their spouses re-marry. Hell, pretty much everything's a sin, so why is homosexuality the only sin that disqualifies you from being able to marry?
Also, I never said that homosexuality is a sin. I was purely sating the obvious, and that is, many Christians believe that having sex with the same gender is a sin, not being homosexual. It would save time to read what I wrote, you know.
by Jafas United » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:41 am
Terruana wrote:Ah, so you posted to defend Christians who condemn homosexuals as sinners and second class citizens, and then when people called you out on it, you get annoyed because they are treating you like you condemn homosexuality yourself...
Yeah, that seems reasonable
by Phaedrus Imperator » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:42 am
by AiliailiA » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:46 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:Socialdemokraterne wrote:
Your spoiler is empty...
Do you have evidence that the Danish government is actively trying to destroy the Church of Denmark?
Evidence! How many do you need? They are by law forcing the church to carry out homosexual weddings even though a majority of the bishops are against the government's intervention.
Confirmation classes are removed from the schedule in most public schools. Christian knowledge is being downgraded in public schools in general. in addition they are forcing Christian private schools the teach the students about the false doctrine of Darwin's theory of evolution.
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Terruana » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:52 am
Jafas United wrote:Terruana wrote:Ah, so you posted to defend Christians who condemn homosexuals as sinners and second class citizens, and then when people called you out on it, you get annoyed because they are treating you like you condemn homosexuality yourself...
Yeah, that seems reasonable
Oh for fuck's sake, you're on a roll here, aren't you. If you actually bothered to read a few sentences, you would realise that I wasn't defending anyone at all. All I did was state that (and I'll make it large for you) in most Christian denominations, being homosexual isn't a sin, but having homosexual sex is.
I'm getting annoyed that you're having problems with reading my posts.
by Phaedrus Imperator » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:53 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:Socialdemokraterne wrote:
Your spoiler is empty...
Do you have evidence that the Danish government is actively trying to destroy the Church of Denmark?
Evidence! How many do you need? They are by law forcing the church to carry out homosexual weddings even though a majority of the bishops are against the government's intervention. Confirmation classes are removed from the schedule in most public schools. Christian knowledge is being downgraded in public schools in general. in addition they are forcing Christian private schools the teach the students about the false doctrine of Darwin's theory of evolution.
by Socialdemokraterne » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:54 am
Holy Nordic Empire wrote:They are by law forcing the church to carry out homosexual weddings even though a majority of the bishops are against the government's intervention.
Confirmation classes are removed from the schedule in most public schools.
Christian knowledge is being downgraded in public schools in general.
in addition they are forcing Christian private schools the teach the students about the false doctrine of Darwin's theory of evolution.
by Socialdemokraterne » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:55 am
Ailiailia wrote:Does the government try to force other churches to perform "homosexual" marriages?
I honestly don't know. A yes or no answer would be appreciated.
by Jafas United » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:02 am
Terruana wrote:Jafas United wrote:
Oh for fuck's sake, you're on a roll here, aren't you. If you actually bothered to read a few sentences, you would realise that I wasn't defending anyone at all. All I did was state that (and I'll make it large for you) in most Christian denominations, being homosexual isn't a sin, but having homosexual sex is.
I'm getting annoyed that you're having problems with reading my posts.
Yes, the post that started "to be fair" was in no way defending anything
I read your post. And you were defending the Christian view of homosexuality. Your defence was that homosexual sex is a sin, not just being homosexual. My point is, and always was, that there is no difference. It's pretty much the same thing.
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