by The Emerald Legion » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:29 pm
by Trollgaard » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:34 pm
by Yahkima » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:36 pm
by Moutere » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:37 pm
by 1000 Cats » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:40 pm
Norstal wrote:You are a hatiater: one who radiates hate.
Meryuma wrote:No one is more of a cat person than 1000 Cats!
FST wrote:Any sexual desires which can be satiated within a healthy and consensual way should be freed from shame. Bizarre kinks and fetishes are acceptable and nothing to be ashamed of as long as they are acted out in a context where everyone consents and no one is hurt.
by New Heathera » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:46 pm
by Genivaria » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:49 pm
Yahkima wrote:The accusation that one lacks "Spiritual" awareness is a vapid and meaningless insult no matter what form it takes.
Because what does it really mean? Other than, "I get a brain-gasm when contemplating this, and I think the fact that you don't makes you an inadequate person."
How the hell is one supposed to respond to something like that?
by Nature-Spirits » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:50 pm
by Genivaria » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:53 pm
Nature-Spirits wrote:We can never rival nature's artwork or it's sense of aliveness, whatever we do to our inventions. I'm sorry, but nature is just beautiful (I'm not denying that our feats are as well, of course, but nature's grandeur is far more impressive).
by Mavorpen » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:57 pm
by 1000 Cats » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:57 pm
Genivaria wrote:Nature-Spirits wrote:We can never rival nature's artwork or it's sense of aliveness, whatever we do to our inventions. I'm sorry, but nature is just beautiful (I'm not denying that our feats are as well, of course, but nature's grandeur is far more impressive).
And I'm not denying nature's beauty. I love hiking trips because it's so peaceful.
But it is just silly to think we can never surpass unintended beauty with deliberate beauty.
Norstal wrote:You are a hatiater: one who radiates hate.
Meryuma wrote:No one is more of a cat person than 1000 Cats!
FST wrote:Any sexual desires which can be satiated within a healthy and consensual way should be freed from shame. Bizarre kinks and fetishes are acceptable and nothing to be ashamed of as long as they are acted out in a context where everyone consents and no one is hurt.
by The Emerald Legion » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:04 pm
1000 Cats wrote:I used to love watching the city lights from afar as a child. Still do, actually. I have a thing for lights. I say from afar, though, because no matter how beautiful the city lights may be, the stars are always much grander. Outside the city, the smells are better, the breeze is fresher, the sounds are softer. There is a reason mental health is better outside of urban areas.
Also, people overwhelmingly prefer pretty much any natural landscape to pretty much any urban landscape as far as aesthetics, with almost no overlap, regardless of sample. See also Ulrich's chapter in The Biophilia Hypothesis.
1000 Cats wrote:Genivaria wrote:And I'm not denying nature's beauty. I love hiking trips because it's so peaceful.
But it is just silly to think we can never surpass unintended beauty with deliberate beauty.
We're genetically predisposed to love certain natural environments, though, and to react to them in some pretty intense psychological and even physical ways. Everything from your emotional energy to your physical well-being is enhanced in a natural environment, and hospitals these days often have large gardens purely because of this. It will be a while yet before we overcome that built-in adoration of nature and replace it with an adoration of the artificial. I'm doubtful that we ever will; I can see no pressure for that ever occurring.
Also, Chicago will be gone in a thousand years. Ruins, like those of the Egyptians, the Romans, the Aztecs. The Grand Canyon will outlive any human city, and indeed perhaps even the human race as we know it, and requires zero upkeep.
by 1000 Cats » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:09 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:1000 Cats wrote:I used to love watching the city lights from afar as a child. Still do, actually. I have a thing for lights. I say from afar, though, because no matter how beautiful the city lights may be, the stars are always much grander. Outside the city, the smells are better, the breeze is fresher, the sounds are softer. There is a reason mental health is better outside of urban areas.
Also, people overwhelmingly prefer pretty much any natural landscape to pretty much any urban landscape as far as aesthetics, with almost no overlap, regardless of sample. See also Ulrich's chapter in The Biophilia Hypothesis.
I don't have much of a sense of smell. And have never believed in "fresh air." Unless I can identify some contaminant in the air I'm not liable to make any attempt to freshen it. And perhaps some of the sounds are softer, but some also aren't.
And yet Biophobia is a growing feeling. Camping suppliers have lost somewhere near 20% of their business. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/interview-patricia-zaradic.html
As for that paper, it's from the 70's and as such is irrelevant. Society has changed Cats.
As for that hypothesis, if that were true, would not children take to nature given any chance? Whereas evidence has shown that the opposite is true. Without interaction with nature from a young age, and in some cases even with that interaction, people won't get that attraction to nature.
Norstal wrote:You are a hatiater: one who radiates hate.
Meryuma wrote:No one is more of a cat person than 1000 Cats!
FST wrote:Any sexual desires which can be satiated within a healthy and consensual way should be freed from shame. Bizarre kinks and fetishes are acceptable and nothing to be ashamed of as long as they are acted out in a context where everyone consents and no one is hurt.
by Tubbsalot » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:18 pm
by Individual Impersonators » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:19 pm
by Lackadaisical2 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:20 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:One of the most often claims I've heard is that those of us who don't appreciate nature lack "Spiritual depth" because we don't see the beauty in a few bits of rubble and some trees.
And I'd counter that if that's true, then they lack spiritual depth. As they can't feel the peace in the soft hum of a computer, see the beauty in an assembly line, appreciate the sheer scope of grandeur of our cities.(Image)
How can you not simply stand in awe of it? And to know above all that human beings created it.
So NSG what have you to say?
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by Tubbsalot » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:22 pm
Individual Impersonators wrote:My main problem with a city is that they have no real understanding how and where their water, food and energy comes from.
The seperation is dangerous. The public needs to understand that food does not come from cans or the supermarket. I have heard that one school group in Australia had about 25% believe cotton came from an animal and whilst watching a tv show I saw Jamie Oliver shock kids by showing them a tomatoe (not ketchup)
by The Emerald Legion » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:23 pm
1000 Cats wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:I don't have much of a sense of smell. And have never believed in "fresh air." Unless I can identify some contaminant in the air I'm not liable to make any attempt to freshen it. And perhaps some of the sounds are softer, but some also aren't.
And yet Biophobia is a growing feeling. Camping suppliers have lost somewhere near 20% of their business. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/interview-patricia-zaradic.html
As for that paper, it's from the 70's and as such is irrelevant. Society has changed Cats.
As for that hypothesis, if that were true, would not children take to nature given any chance? Whereas evidence has shown that the opposite is true. Without interaction with nature from a young age, and in some cases even with that interaction, people won't get that attraction to nature.
The book I mentioned is from 2000. It's still very relevant.
The idea of fresh air is that you don't have to freshen it. It's already fresh.
Even wolves howling and lions roaring, which I've experienced, don't compare to the constant roar of traffic in the city in terms of how loud they are.
I know that biophobia is a growing feeling, and that was mentioned in the book. It's been growing for a very long time, but is still far and away below biophilia.
Children actually do take to nature.
by Ragnarsdomr » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:24 pm
Conservative Morality wrote:By accepting yourself and who you are. Accept violence. Accept aggression. Accept dominance. Not as a man, but as a human. Accept conflict, and find a place for it in life. Neither deny nor revel in it. Revel in one thing and one thing only: humanity. What higher goal is there, after all? Embrace who you are, what you are, and what you can be. Throw off the shackles of shame, refuse self-loathing, refuse misandry, refuse misogyny, refuse misanthropy, instead, love what you are. Love mankind, love man and woman, and love yourself.
by Lackadaisical2 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:24 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:Spirituality is basically just a word we use to describe an appreciation for certain kinds of beauty. Claiming that others like 'the wrong beauty' is about as deep and insightful as claiming that liking pasta is WRONG WRONG WRONG.
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Proud member of the Vile Right-Wing Noodle Combat Division of the Imperialist Anti-Socialist Economic War Army Ground Force reporting in.
by 1000 Cats » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:27 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:1000 Cats wrote:The book I mentioned is from 2000. It's still very relevant.
The idea of fresh air is that you don't have to freshen it. It's already fresh.
Even wolves howling and lions roaring, which I've experienced, don't compare to the constant roar of traffic in the city in terms of how loud they are.
I know that biophobia is a growing feeling, and that was mentioned in the book. It's been growing for a very long time, but is still far and away below biophilia.
Children actually do take to nature.
And yet to get it you have to contend with swarms of insects. No thanks.
But it's there and it's growing. We are essentially fighting against thousands of years of instinct. And winning.
The link you gave. Copyright 1972.
Norstal wrote:You are a hatiater: one who radiates hate.
Meryuma wrote:No one is more of a cat person than 1000 Cats!
FST wrote:Any sexual desires which can be satiated within a healthy and consensual way should be freed from shame. Bizarre kinks and fetishes are acceptable and nothing to be ashamed of as long as they are acted out in a context where everyone consents and no one is hurt.
by Trollgaard » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:27 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:1000 Cats wrote:The book I mentioned is from 2000. It's still very relevant.
The idea of fresh air is that you don't have to freshen it. It's already fresh.
Even wolves howling and lions roaring, which I've experienced, don't compare to the constant roar of traffic in the city in terms of how loud they are.
I know that biophobia is a growing feeling, and that was mentioned in the book. It's been growing for a very long time, but is still far and away below biophilia.
Children actually do take to nature.
And yet to get it you have to contend with swarms of insects. No thanks.
But it's there and it's growing. We are essentially fighting against thousands of years of instinct. And winning.
The link you gave. Copyright 1972.
by The Emerald Legion » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:39 pm
1000 Cats wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
And yet to get it you have to contend with swarms of insects. No thanks.
But it's there and it's growing. We are essentially fighting against thousands of years of instinct. And winning.
The link you gave. Copyright 1972.
I'm arachnophobic. I deal with it.
It's not really winning when you're already so tiny that there's not even the least bit of ambiguity when you are compared to the majority.
The book I mentioned that uses and expands on that study, among other things, is from 2000. Though actually, I think the chapter is from 1993, because that's what I've got written here.
Trollgaard wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
And yet to get it you have to contend with swarms of insects. No thanks.
But it's there and it's growing. We are essentially fighting against thousands of years of instinct. And winning.
The link you gave. Copyright 1972.
And guess what? Its driving people crazy and ruining the ecosystem and environment! Hooray for progress!
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