Bullying, damaging or helpful?

[Trollgaard]

People will find any reason to pick on others, especially kids. Everyone has been bullied, and has bullied others, to a certain degree. I was mildly bullied, and I mildly bullied a few kids- it was a give and take thing.

I view bullying a rite of passage children go through. It makes them able to handle their shit, and as mentioned earlier seems to determine people's place in the pecking order in a weird way.

Rite of passage? Pecking order? I haven't been bullied in school extensively, yet I can still defend myself. What, people can't live their lives without being bullied, in order to seperate who is 'wimpy' and 'not wimpy'?

Sure they can, but everyone gets bullied to some degree.

[Hallistar]

Rite of passage? Pecking order? I haven't been bullied in school extensively, yet I can still defend myself. What, people can't live their lives without being bullied, in order to seperate who is 'wimpy' and 'not wimpy'?

Sure they can, but everyone gets bullied to some degree.

How?

[Arbites]

And you don't see anything wrong with them simply moving on to do the same thing to someone else? They're obviously the ones with the problem, and as such, corrective action must be taken by authority figures. I don't care what, as long as it keeps them from pointlessly harassing anyone else. By changing who you are, by meeting the bullies' violence with violence, you are stooping to their level, and you have lost.

What a bunch of shit. Are you advocating pacifism and nonviolence? Pfft. Ridiculous. Violence is the greatest problem solver in history.

And if you hate bullies so much then you should have problem with them being put in their place.

Self-defense is fine. Hell, if violence will really solve the problem and you find yourself in a position of strength, then go for it. I'm saying that if you fundamentally change who you are just to pacify, satisfy, or intimidate bullies, then you have lost. Becoming violent and unhinged just to deter bullies who shouldn't be allowed to harass you in the first place, quite frankly, means they got to you.

[Arbites]

Rite of passage? Pecking order? I haven't been bullied in school extensively, yet I can still defend myself. What, people can't live their lives without being bullied, in order to seperate who is 'wimpy' and 'not wimpy'?

Sure they can, but everyone gets bullied to some degree.

You're thinking of teasing. Everyone certainly gets teased at one point or another. Not everyone gets bullied.

[IshCong]

Rite of passage? Pecking order? I haven't been bullied in school extensively, yet I can still defend myself. What, people can't live their lives without being bullied, in order to seperate who is 'wimpy' and 'not wimpy'?

Sure they can, but everyone gets bullied to some degree.

Bullying is systemic, malignant, and deliberate.
I think you're getting bullying confused with intermittent teasing.

[The Drone Empire]

I wasn't a sheltered little twit who wouldn't function, I was happy and free, and a lot of people were really normal, but some people, maybe they were a little overweight, or short, but socially average and generally content [Though obviously sensitive of their weaknesses, which is highly reasonable], got hammered on, it was painful to watch, and sometimes [Though regretfully not always], We'd defend them, they were a good people, I knew one guy who was an amazing artist, great grades, but was asexual, picked on all the time for JUST that, and that alone, which to me makes no sense, gay maybe, some people are assholes, but someone who has no preference? Really?

There is no such thing as general bullying. No one person likes being picked on for imperfections in their being, its even harder with girls sometimes, because we tend to have more insecurities which bullies pick up on, and with things such as Facebook and twitter where people socialize, bullying can go to levels beyond, but I assume that's what you address as "Out of line", but it always is. Bullying is not acceptable, most agree, some partially such as you, and others not at all, which saddens me, because when is it ever okay? Whats wrong with who you are? Nothing, nothing at all. [Unless you do indeed have something medically differentiating from the majority, making you different in some way. Still, picking on them for it isn't acceptable, they cant help it, its not their fault]

People will find any reason to pick on others, especially kids. Everyone has been bullied, and has bullied others, to a certain degree. I was mildly bullied, and I mildly bullied a few kids- it was a give and take thing.

I view bullying a rite of passage children go through. It makes them able to handle their shit, and as mentioned earlier seems to determine people's place in the pecking order in a weird way.

So, if I was bullied because maybe them bitches ova dere dun liek mah hair, so they spread horrible, horrible rumors, does that mean something is wrong with my hair style.. its inferior?

Perhaps on a more sensible level, maybe I'm short [Or really Tall], and am picked on "Mildly", how could I handle that? Even if I retaliate, isn't that what they wanted - a negative reaction? Does it hurt any less, to be made fun of, belittled?

There is no pecking order in society, anyone can aspire to anything if they want to, unless their hopes and dreams are crushed because bullies say they are inferior to them. Is that the sort of pecking order? The Short, skinny kid who wants to ascend cant because the tall, Strait-D student on the basket ball team says he cant, he cant do anything because of his size, his physical traits?

Why should he change? There's nothing wrong with being a little skinny, we are a civilized people, there is no survival of the fittest, everyone should be able to just be themselves, no one is any better than the other, but with bullying, it establishes a pseudo sense of that. I felt inferior to the girls with blonde hair, perky breasts, and all the latest fashion clothing and purses [Who also hogged up all the most attractive guys], not because I originally viewed myself as such, but because years of constant attack from their clique led me to believe so - but you know what? As I later found out, she dropped out, I've heard she really isn't doing well. While I normally pity such cases, sometimes I just think, well, Bitch had it coming. She tormented me, and focused less on the important matters and more so on putting down as many girls [and some boys] as she possibly could, and so she now suffers for it.

I'm not saying anyone who bullies will end up like [unnamed girl], but I want to stress its never alright to be made to feel any less, everyone is beautiful in their own way, absolutely. Everyone has the god given right to be happy, it doesn't take someone to tell you whats wrong with you for you to feel good with yourself. Bullying is not acceptable. It doesn't strengthen us, it brings us down, we suffer for it. People die, the few that claim they prosper in the end haven't, they were fine the way they were, they shouldn't need the tools to defend against such things, and while its good to hear you all find happiness in the end, to say something like bullying was a thing you benefited from just is not true. I've never heard of anyone ever being picked on by a bully and agreeing with them, it was only till later that they were forced to change because of the bully[ies].

[Trollgaard]

Sure they can, but everyone gets bullied to some degree.

Bullying is systemic, malignant, and deliberate.
I think you're getting bullying confused with intermittent teasing.

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

[New Heathera]

Bullying is systemic, malignant, and deliberate.
I think you're getting bullying confused with intermittent teasing.

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Have YOU ever been a long term bully victim?

[Wisconsin7]

Bullying is systemic, malignant, and deliberate.
I think you're getting bullying confused with intermittent teasing.

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Classic adult behavior. "Until it actually effects me in some way it doesn't matter".
You make me sick.
NOTE: I don't think all adults believe this. Those who do, however, seem to be in the majority.

[Trollgaard]

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Have YOU ever been a long term bully victim?

Not really, as I have a temper, and after a day or two I'd get into a fight and that would end the matter.

[The Drone Empire]

Have YOU ever been a long term bully victim?

Not really, as I have a temper, and after a day or two I'd get into a fight and that would end the matter.

You really haven't experienced true bullying.

It hurts.

To the core.

[Trollgaard]

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Classic adult behavior. "Until it actually effects me in some way it doesn't matter".
You make me sick.
NOTE: I don't think all adults believe this. Those who do, however, seem to be in the majority.

Why don't you go throw up about then?

[The Drone Empire]

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Classic adult behavior. "Until it actually effects me in some way it doesn't matter".
You make me sick.
NOTE: I don't think all adults believe this. Those who do, however, seem to be in the majority.

^^

Not true.

[Trollgaard]

Not really, as I have a temper, and after a day or two I'd get into a fight and that would end the matter.

You really haven't experienced true bullying.

It hurts.

To the core.

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

[IshCong]

Bullying is systemic, malignant, and deliberate.
I think you're getting bullying confused with intermittent teasing.

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Well, I'm glad it matters once it affects you personally.
It's a lot easier to say 'grin and bear it' when:
1: You've never experienced it.
2: You aren't ostracized from an entire community, and systematically tormented physically, psychologically, and sometimes sexually for a period of years.
3: Are fully capable of finding persons willing to help you with your problems rather than say "man up".

[Wamitoria]

You really haven't experienced true bullying.

It hurts.

To the core.

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

I'm actually in the same predicament as you. Reacting to injustice with anger, anger, and more anger.

Being mad doesn't hurt you? I mean, sometimes it's cathartic, but when it's directed towards a person or group of people to the point where you actively wish harm on them?

[Wamitoria]

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Well, I'm glad it matters once it affects you personally.
It's a lot easier to say 'grin and bear it' when:
1: You've never experienced it.
2: You aren't ostracized from an entire community, and systematically tormented physically, psychologically, and sometimes sexually for a period of years.
3: Are fully capable of finding persons willing to help you with your problems rather than say "man up".

Hey now, he actually has the same problem I had, so lay off the facepalm.

[Norstal]

You really haven't experienced true bullying.

It hurts.

To the core.

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

Yeah, why don't these victims just mimic Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. I mean it worked out for them.

[Wisconsin7]

Classic adult behavior. "Until it actually effects me in some way it doesn't matter".
You make me sick.
NOTE: I don't think all adults believe this. Those who do, however, seem to be in the majority.

^^

Not true.

I specifically said not all. See, it's underlined.

[IshCong]

You really haven't experienced true bullying.

It hurts.

To the core.

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

Because:
1: Not everyone happens to function like you.
2: Victims often get insulted more for reacting with anger, or else are further ignored by adults because they're always angry.
3: You can only stay angry so long. Try keeping it up for years. Eventually, it just crushes the willpower. Especially when everyone around you isn't paying attention, and resorts to 'man up'.

[Trollgaard]

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

I'm actually in the same predicament as you. Reacting to injustice with anger, anger, and more anger.

Being mad doesn't hurt you? I mean, sometimes it's cathartic, but when it's directed towards a person or group of people to the point where you actively wish harm on them?

I think being mad is better than being sad, and less damaging. Is being angry damaging to you? I honestly have no idea, nor do I care. I prefer to be angry to being sad.

[Holy Trek]

Bullying makes recruiting so much easier for us Nazis!

People who have been bullied usually can't wait to get in a uniform to make them feel powerful. In fact, some of our best leaders and race theorists have been men who were bullied as children. Even the Fuehrer himself!

From a non-Nazi point of view, it kind of sucks, though.

Actually, bullying has had an indirect effect of me desiring all nazis to be rounded up and purified by fire. It's all part of one of the "darker" effects bullying has had on me. I'm more into removing humanity's problems than trying to correct them.

That sounds like me too. My idea is, give me the bully tied securely to a chair...a metal baseball bat....and three hours. By the time I'm finished, he'll be begging for release...and I don't mean from the chair, either. THAT is the undesired result of all the bullying I endured.

[The Drone Empire]

You really haven't experienced true bullying.

It hurts.

To the core.

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

At first, you do, but where I live, the schoolyard fight isn't the end. It never is, and even if you don't you just skipped the fight, not the bulk.

After that it leads to months of verbal abuse of all the main bully's associated friends and acquaintances, MySpace at the time was where it hit hard, Slut, Whore, Bitch, must I go on? You were made unlikeable, in worst cases, friends in fear of being equally treated back off, no one wants to date you, everything you do is frowned upon, you are totally alone, at which by then you probably have a case of MDD or close to it due to isolation.

Though, there are many times where your friends stand by you, and you all suffer the storm. Not like it hurts really any less, just you have someone to fall back on, fighting is a small part, its the Mental abuse the burns.

Its not acceptable.

At all. In any way, shape or form.

[IshCong]

Well, I'm glad it matters once it affects you personally.
It's a lot easier to say 'grin and bear it' when:
1: You've never experienced it.
2: You aren't ostracized from an entire community, and systematically tormented physically, psychologically, and sometimes sexually for a period of years.
3: Are fully capable of finding persons willing to help you with your problems rather than say "man up".

Hey now, he actually has the same problem I had, so lay off the facepalm.

What, that you don't care until it happens to affect you? I facepalm at people who claim something only matters if it happens to affect them, and then make things harder for those it does affect.

[Holy Trek]

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

Because:
1: Not everyone happens to function like you.
2: Victims often get insulted more for reacting with anger, or else are further ignored by adults because they're always angry.
3: You can only stay angry so long. Try keeping it up for years. Eventually, it just crushes the willpower. Especially when everyone around you isn't paying attention, and resorts to 'man up'.

For someone who was so open to making the comparison between my character on Nations..and Elvis...you sound enlightened here. I have to wonder if you suffer from split personality?