Racial Purity? Is it really that important?

[Ceannairceach]

I find your racism bullshit pretty gross myself

Japan has a very strict immigration policy as do several other nations. Does that make them racist governments with racist people? Or are you just using the word "racist" to try to ignore or invalidate Lakeland's data and accompanying arguments?

Japan is set to have its age pyramid topple due to its immigration laws.

[Lakeland]

Except it is causal, the people in question actually commit the crimes...

You can control for things like socioeconomic status, income disparity, etc...

My map again...

I've seen no evidence that even begins to suggest the map controls for things like socioeconomic status, income disparity, population density, or any other factors.

It doesn't, nor does your map, though mine is using a single objective metric rather than a combined metric.

[Ende]

I don't want to get involved in the argument, but I'd like to put my opinion down.

Other "races" (We're all human. I seriously don't see the point in "races") are fine. Immigrants are fine. Actually, immigrants are great.

Want to know what's bad? Illegal immigrants. I mean, Illegal is in the definition. I don't think anyone would disagree that illegal immigrants aren't beneficial. (no I am not one of those people who says "immigrants is stealing our jobs".)

Anyway, that was mildly off topic. As for the OP, Preserving cultural heritage is important. Preserving heritage in general is important. Racial purity? Mehhhh...not really that important, honestly. Blacks and Hispanics do tend to do more crime (yes there are statistics for this), but mainly because of poverty and poorer education, not "race".

[Grave_n_idle]

Immigration - even illegal - actually increases employment rates, even in non-immigrant populations.

Do you have any way to prove that immigration makes more jobs?

For starters:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=156519&p=8022384&hilit=immigration+employment#p8022384

[EnragedMaldivians]

They love Asian supremacists over at stormfront; you know, so long as they don't live in a white country. But hey, if s/he feels comfortable adopting the rhetoric of the same people who want him to pack his bags and leave the country (preferrably not to Normandy) whilst ranting agaisnt immigrants at the same time, he can go right ahead.

I'm sorry are you a recruiter for stromfront? Also as a national of one country I have no obligation to leave because I agree with the current immigration laws. But at the same time a country does not have a responsibility to accept anyone from a foreign land that wants to enter their nation.

Yes.

I incidentally find it very amusing, in light of how much disdain they would view you with, specifically because of that underlined statement, the fact that here you are, adopting the very same rhetoric that those racists would use against you (as a precursor to insisting on your immediate departure to Mongolia or whatever) against other cultural groups that have made use of the same opportunities that either you or your parents, or your granparents (etc) made use of.

[Ootsta]

I would like to start out by saying: I am not a racist.
I do, however, want there to be some purity within the next generation. White people are going to be a minority by 2040 at the current rate. Is that good or bad? How is purity to be achieved without infringing upon civil liberties? How is illegal immigration to be stopped without violating human rights? So, NSG, what do you think of this? Is it even that important? Is it the biggest issue in the world right now?

Err, what? Minority? Source?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257110/America-nears-tipping-point-babies-born-minority-parents-outnumber-whites-time.html

America is reaching a ‘tipping point’ when the babies born to minority parents outnumber whites for the first time.

More white women than ever before are postponing having children until they are older, while minority mothers are still having babies at younger ages, according to a US study published yesterday.

Experts claim the immigration boom has accelerated the historic trend that is likely to leave whites in the minority in America by the middle of the century.

Why would you want to achieve raial purity? Illegal immigration can be stopped by making legal immigration better, and, though this is a factor which the receiving nation cannot influence, the development of the nation from which people are emigrating.

Illegal immigration can also be stopped by militarising the border.

[Mavorpen]

It doesn't, nor does your map, though mine is using a single objective metric rather than a combined metric.

Except it isn't objective.

[Grave_n_idle]

I've seen no evidence that even begins to suggest the map controls for things like socioeconomic status, income disparity, population density, or any other factors.

It doesn't, nor does your map, though mine is using a single objective metric rather than a combined metric.

My map? I didn't present one.

Your map does use a single metric, although 'objective' is a bit optimistic.

But you did claim that we weren't just discussing correlation. Indeed, you claimed a definite cause-relationship, and claimed that "You can control for things like socioeconomic status, income disparity, etc...".

Okay, where's the evidence that all factors other than 'race' were controlled for?

[Post War America]

Racial Purity=Inbreeding=Genetic Diseases

Racial Diversity=Genetic Mixing=Improved Resistance to Disease and far less Genetic Diseases

From a purely technical standpoint, the idea of racial purity is stupid. Never mind throwing in ethical beliefs, I do believe that a certain genocide involving a certain Nazi Germany killed tens of millions of innocent people in the farcical quest for the bullshit concept that is racial purity. As for illegal immigration, attempting to shut it down is one step down that same path. So Racial Purity is unimportant.

[Grave_n_idle]

Err, what? Minority? Source?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257110/America-nears-tipping-point-babies-born-minority-parents-outnumber-whites-time.html

America is reaching a ‘tipping point’ when the babies born to minority parents outnumber whites for the first time.

More white women than ever before are postponing having children until they are older, while minority mothers are still having babies at younger ages, according to a US study published yesterday.

Experts claim the immigration boom has accelerated the historic trend that is likely to leave whites in the minority in America by the middle of the century.

Why would you want to achieve raial purity? Illegal immigration can be stopped by making legal immigration better, and, though this is a factor which the receiving nation cannot influence, the development of the nation from which people are emigrating.

Illegal immigration can also be stopped by militarising the border.

Nonsense. About half of all illegal residents in the US entered the US legally, without an illegal border crossing.

[Lakeland]

Japan has a very strict immigration policy as do several other nations. Does that make them racist governments with racist people? Or are you just using the word "racist" to try to ignore or invalidate Lakeland's data and accompanying arguments?

Japan is set to have its age pyramid topple due to its immigration laws.

Ukraine had a demographic crisis as well, they've since turned around their drop in fertility rate, mostly by government policies designed to increase fertility rates, rather than through immigration.

[Ootsta]

Blacks and Hispanics do tend to do more crime (yes there are statistics for this), but mainly because of poverty and poorer education, not "race".

And why do these races have more poverty and poorer education?

[Grave_n_idle]

They love Asian supremacists over at stormfront; you know, so long as they don't live in a white country. But hey, if s/he feels comfortable adopting the rhetoric of the same people who want him to pack his bags and leave the country (preferrably not to Normandy) whilst ranting agaisnt immigrants at the same time, he can go right ahead.

I'm sorry are you a recruiter for stromfront? Also as a national of one country I have no obligation to leave because I agree with the current immigration laws.

And no one else should have their status decided by you, based on your racist tendencies. No?

[Cromarty]

Didn't we just go over this? Everyone in America is an immigrant.

O really?

Yar rly.

[Ende]

Blacks and Hispanics do tend to do more crime (yes there are statistics for this), but mainly because of poverty and poorer education, not "race".

And why do these races have more poverty and poorer education?

Probably because being an immigrant from another country is hard. Immigrants from Mexico and such generally do not have education, and it usually is not available to blacks and hispanics. Without education, you can't have a well paying job, without a well paying job, you can't afford good education, and the US has an absolutely terrible public school system.

[Ootsta]

Racial Purity=Inbreeding=Genetic Diseases

Racial Diversity=Genetic Mixing=Improved Resistance to Disease and far less Genetic Diseases

From a purely technical standpoint, the idea of racial purity is stupid. Never mind throwing in ethical beliefs, I do believe that a certain genocide involving a certain Nazi Germany killed tens of millions of innocent people in the farcical quest for the bullshit concept that is racial purity. As for illegal immigration, attempting to shut it down is one step down that same path. So Racial Purity is unimportant.

Tens of millions? Where are you getting your numbers from? The Nazis didn't kill tens of millions, unless you're counting soldiers in combat. And I'm bored of the Nazis always being wheeled out as the the specter of genocide. Let's talk about the Ottomans or the Rwandans for a change.

[Lakeland]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257110/America-nears-tipping-point-babies-born-minority-parents-outnumber-whites-time.html
Illegal immigration can also be stopped by militarising the border.

Nonsense. About half of all illegal residents in the US entered the US legally, without an illegal border crossing.

That's half of the problem solved. The other half of the equation is making it incumbent upon employers to verify the legal status of their employees. Like Alabama recently did, it's unemployment rate has fallen greatly since then.

[Ootsta]

And why do these races have more poverty and poorer education?

Probably because being an immigrant from another country is hard. Immigrants from Mexico and such generally do not have education, and it usually is not available to blacks and hispanics. Without education, you can't have a well paying job, without a well paying job, you can't afford good education, and the US has an absolutely terrible public school system.

And what about Blacks and Hispanics who aren't immigrants, or Whites who are?

[Lakeland]

O really?

Yar rly.

O please, your over broad definition is laughable. Yes we're all immigrants except those people in the African Rift Valley. Get real.

[Keronians]

Immigration - even illegal - actually increases employment rates, even in non-immigrant populations.

Do you have any way to prove that immigration makes more jobs?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-i ... cost-jobs/

It makes sense.

Listen for a bit, even if you disagree.

When immigrants come in, more consumers are created. These consumers increase demand for already existing products, which leads to an increase in supply, which leads to an increased standard of living.

These immigrants are also productive. They work. This is beneficial for the nation. Many even set up their own businesses. This, again, increases wealth, and creates jobs, as well as increasing competition.

Many of the unskilled immigrants do jobs which otherwise there is no supply for. Most workers are skilled, and as such go for higher end jobs. Demand, however, for these jobs still exists. So, they benefit people by creating a supply.

Not to mention that many immigrants are educated and skilled labourers coming to the country with a job offer. This is because a company has chosen this person because they find him to be the best person for the job. He will be the most productive out of the range of possible applicants. This in turn improves the efficiency with which resources are used.

In competing, they often lower their prices in order to remain competitive. And that's fine again. Because good wages are still offered to skilled workers. Why? Because companies also compete for labour. A quantitative way of competition is based on the "price" (the salary). To attract the best workers. Qualitative factors would include such things like working conditions, opportunities for promotion, etc.

[Lakeland]

Yar rly.

O please, your over broad definition is laughable. Yes we're all immigrants except those people in the African Rift Valley. Get real.

Haha, no no, we're all immigrants except those people that live in the sea!

[Mavorpen]

That's half of the problem solved. The other half of the equation is making it incumbent upon employers to verify the legal status of their employees. Like Alabama recently did, it's unemployment rate has fallen greatly since then.

Psst, guess what. If you observe closely, there is another line for the United States in general. Notice how it goes down sharply and then Alabama goes down but less steeply?

[Sidhae]

Japanese are fiercely protective of their culture, living space being a very secondary issue. You can live in Japan all your life, speak Japanese with no accent, be a citizen of Japan, have a Japanese wife and children that are Japanese citizens, but you will never be regarded as Japanese yourself. You will always be seen as merely well-integrated gaijin (Westerner), and the Japanese people will still hold their usual politeness towards you, they will tolerate your presence, but they will never fully accept you as one of their own.

That's how positive "racism" works in practice. Can't say it hasn't worked out well for the Japs - their country is still among the world's most powerful and advanced, yet it hasn't turned into a multicultural Third World cesspool like the States or Western Europe. Standing up for their national identity and culture seems to come natural for them - there is no trend or fashion that would exist somewhere in the world and not have a following in Japan, and yet all these folks following foreign fads are keenly aware of their Japanese heritage. You won't ever see a Jap trying to be anything else but Jap, unlike whiggers and their ilk - a Jap might follow a subculture to an extent, but his self-identity will always be Japanese and nothing else.

[Cromarty]

Get real.

I am real, last I checked. But just in case...

*bites finger*

I certainly taste real.

*sniffs armpit*

Ugh, I smell real too.

*Yodels*

I sound real.

*touches self*

I feel real also.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and call this one: Cromarty is real.

[United Aryan Asian Alliance]

I'm sorry are you a recruiter for stromfront? Also as a national of one country I have no obligation to leave because I agree with the current immigration laws. But at the same time a country does not have a responsibility to accept anyone from a foreign land that wants to enter their nation.

Yes.

I incidentally find it very amusing, in light of how much disdain they would view you with, specifically because of that underlined statement, the fact that here you are, adopting the very same rhetoric that those racists would use against you (as a precursor to insisting on your immediate departure to Mongolia or whatever) against other cultural groups that have made use of the opportunities that either you or your parents, or your granparents (etc) made use of.

My parents didn't trespass on unwanted lands and abuse a the system with criminal acts such as stealing social security numbers to gain employment or returning to where they came after committing a felony to escape justice. Its not a culture issue. People from other cultures have entered the US and other countries legally several times and do so to this day. Stop trying to pull a racist card to try to instantly win the argument. The United States or any nation has as much of an obligation to take in unwanted immigrants as much as you have an obligation to give a homeless stranger your couch and food and money because he has fallen on hard times. That is, none.