The Austritarian Council [Closed]

[Grand Britaria]

You didn't react to the posts on the region board. A date was set on the original and it is through your own fault that Lachance didn't make it onto the poll. You're being rather selfish about this as you are wasting everyone's time. The Syndicate won the poll fairly. I think you should reconsider calling for a re-poll, just to further your own ends. There are more important things to discuss.

[Vici Minerva]

I'm still very adamant about a re-poll... but if this is the will of the Council than so be it....

[Grand Britaria]

Do you want one or not? Bear in mind we could be discussing important things.

[Geniocratics]

I believe that because of the way the council works, Vici should get a re vote. He demands one, the same way anyone demands a vote or discussion, and he will get one. If you are unwilling to let Vici have a re vote then perhaps you should not have administration over the council.

[Grand Britaria]

I'm not unwilling, but he has no good reason. A decent reason should be needed in order to have a re-poll.

[Menatolo]

Dammit this is a democracy! People should have the right to vote for what they want! If Vici Wants a re-vote for the Trade Center then I say do it! The Corporate Syndicate won by a landslide last time, and i guess he'll do the same again. Just give the baby his bottle, re vote and then, when nothing changes, everyone will be happy.

[Grand Britaria]

Fine, I will make another poll. But in future, if you want to re-poll things, have a bloody good reason for it, not just "I was too late". The options will be as followed and I shall post on the region board:
Lachance (VIci Minerva)
Menatopia (Menatolo)
Austrium (Agagologotha)
Meridian City (Corporate Syndicate)
Every time a poll comes up, I shall post on the region board. It's every member's 'duty', as it were, to check the Council Page.

[Vici Minerva]

Dammit this is a democracy! People should have the right to vote for what they want! If Vici Wants a re-vote for the Trade Center then I say do it! The Corporate Syndicate won by a landslide last time, and i guess he'll do the same again. Just give the baby his bottle, re vote and then, when nothing changes, everyone will be happy.

Excuse me?

[Vici Minerva]

Anyway to campaign for myself I suggest Lachance is the best choice for the following reasons:

1. The Bundesbank HQ and Borsche Stock Exchange being built there as well.

2. Security measures will be taken, and will be thorough but not over-bearing.

3. Various nations will be allowed to use their own security forces as long as they comply and cooperate with Vici Minervan security, and not have an excessive detail.

4. It's a refreshing new area for everyone, thus giving RP settings a new depth.

5. The area is highly safe from the ravages of the wars.

[Bill Moore]

The Nation of Bill Moore is - as a whole - disgusted by the greed of this great reigon! We find the idea of positioning these trade centres in one nation stupid, arrogant and oppressive. If any of us are at war with a nation that has power of the trade centres, what are we to do? Wait till the war is over? That could take years. Our nation suggests that these new buildings are placed on neutral soil in the centre of all the nations. We then sign a pact stating during any form of conflict that the trade centres are untouched. This is a democratic society, and I can think of no fairer system than the one I put forward to you.

[Grand Britaria]

Bill Moore, Agagolgotha is neutral. It's regional land, not a nations. It's capital is one of the choices.

[Bill Moore]

Bill Moore, Agagolgotha is neutral. It's regional land, not a nations. It's capital is one of the choices.

In future, I will not make a habit of posting at half past midnight and view the map with more detail

[Grand Britaria]

14 people have voted on the council. This doesn't add up properly, either someone's used puppets to vote or they've got people from outside the region to vote for them. There are 9 puppet nations in Austritaria, which would mean that 12 people at max can vote. Yet 14 have. Also, 3 extra votes suddenly appeared on Lachance out of the blue. I suspect that Vici Minerva has used a puppet or a friendly nation from outside Austritaria to vote. Other nations voting and using puppets to gain votes are AGAINST the rules. Whether or not he's cheated on this vote, we cannot tell. I will wait for Geniocratics to decide. I'm taking the vote down but the results will be here.
Lachance - 7 votes - 50%
Menatopia - 1 vote - 7%
Austrium - 1 vote - 7%
Meridian City - 5 votes - 36%
Total votes: 14
Now, I believe it is the time to discuss the Austritarian Armed Forces. Grand Britaria believes that the AAF should be formed when the region is in extreme/immediate danger from another region. The nations in Austritaria that aren't involved in a conflict at that time should be called upon to essentially give their armed forces to Austritaria. This way the supreme leader and the top military minds of Austritaria can control the AAF easier than if it was a rough collection of different armed forces. I think that, for easier identification purposes and a better sense of military unity, every soldier, airman and Navy personnel from every country in Austritaria should be given an AAF uniform, in case the AAF needs to be formed. The uniforms should be cheap and easy to make but presentable. I would like your thoughts on this.

[Geniocratics]

We have not used any of our puppet nations to contribute to this vote. An investigation as to where the votes came from should be looked into and, if cheating has been identified, we should have a revote once again.

Regarding the AAF, I agree with Grand Britaria in terms of command and a single army. However the uniforms should remain the nation's own uniform. That way it will be easier to keep national battalions and it will be much cheaper. If we have a regional uniform it will have to either be cheap and lousy or expensive and satisfactory, both are pointless when each nation can use their current uniforms.

[Grand Britaria]

You do not go far enough. Rather than have a revote, I think that the nation(s) found cheating should be disqualified from the vote, then the person with the second high enough votes wins.
Far point. But every personnel of every nations Armed Forces should own an AAF badge which they should wear on their berets or brassards or somewhere on their uniform that identifies them as AAF. They would be simple and bear the Austritarian wreath and sword.

[Geniocratics]

The only reason you don't want a revote is because you fear Vici's city will win again. Picking the city that came second would mean your choice wins. It would only be fair if we had a revote. That way people can change their minds and it would be the best option.

And I agree. Perhaps a regional helmet or head wear for most troops in the combined forces that have the Austritarian symbol on them.

[Grand Britaria]

No, I say that because revoting wastes time. This would be the third time we've had this poll if we revote when there are more important things to discuss. All revotes have been on account of Vici: First he misses it and complains, then he's suspected of cheating. I believe that anyone found cheating in a vote should have his choice disqualified.
And a badge of symbol would be easier to make than a whole helmet.

[Geniocratics]

We do not know if VIci cheated, you're making false accusations. We need to investigate further.

And you have gone from a whole uniform to a simple badge. But fair enough, less is more I suppose. How are we going to vote for this?
- A vote for reason of a regional army (eg. Constant Regional Army, Eventful Regional Army, Invasion Regional army etc)
- Uniform for regional army
- Involvement in the regional army (eg. who helps, why they help etc.)

[Grand Britaria]

I know, I am simply assuming at this point, seeing as I'm pretty confident about who voted for who. But nonetheless, I believe that if Vici (or anyone for that matter) has cheated, their choice should be disqualified.
As for your votes, I shall set a single poll. I shall most likely do a vote for each. I will start one now if you like? I shall keep it up for two days I believe this time, due to there being three polls needing to be done.

[Geniocratics]

Give it at least a day so others can view their voice! Do not rush into things so drastically. How ludicrous.

[Grand Britaria]

Very well. I shall wait until tomorrow.

[Vici Minerva]

On the matter of the AAF, I think you're putting too much thought into the uniforms. While yes I think our troops need to be well dressed and looking ever so fashionable while killing our enemies, we need to think practically here. Our Sovereignty is important but it'd be much easier to just have a base uniform so that other AAF units can recognize each other. We can still maintain our own military traditions by perhaps wearing some kind of article that shows which nation an individual unit is from. Wheter this be chevrons, badges, or bandoliers is another matter we'll discuss later. What we should all just do is submit a drawing of our proposed uniforms and we'll all just pick which we think is the coolest. Since the last poll we ran seem to stir a lot of arguements, we'll just tallie whoever declares a post that supports a particular drawing.

Now for a more important concern about the AAF that I have is more along the lines of organization, command, and technology. We need hand-picked units from each of our militaries to be a part of it. We should all submit the same amount of troops that way one nation doesn't become more prominent within the defence force. I suggest land units along the size of Divisions. Divisions are considered by most military scholars to be the smallest unit in which a strategic objective can be achieved, and Divisions are very much like a standard meter. That way only the highest ranking field officers are only Major Generals. As for commanding them we should form some kind of staff or council of a few of our best Generals to command the AAF. Above them the Administratum/Council will issue orders. The AAF should only become very active during times of international defense, or when a majority of the council would like to use them as an expeditionary force to go out-of-region. Now for technology: We all need to be using the same types of weaponry. Why? Can you imagine being a soldier who needs to know how to use 21 types of assault rifles? And that's just assault rifles. Imagine you're a pilot and you have to learn how to pilot 21 other jets? Or having munitions that can't be used for a particular tank? That's why. To decide on what to use I suggest three things: We can simply have inspectors from the Administratum visit various nations military bases and pick from each nation which piece of technology is best, we could manufacture new standard weapons altogether, or we could simply purchase weapons from foreign companies (however let me express my radical feelings against this, for our weapons should be made here within the region, not by other nations).

[Grand Britaria]

In response to Vici: chances are we'll be using our own military forces separately more than we'll be using the AAF. Geniocratics has a point - it'd be easier to distinguish the AAF through a badge on a beret, etc.
As for command, we can easily implement a rank structure that will function the same as it would in separate nations. In order to make it more effective, I propose the AAF be controlled by the leading members of Austritaria, rather than the council. If the council were to command the AAF, it could take months just to decide something. Regarding weaponry and equipment, you make an excellent point. We require that all Austritarian nations use the same weaponry, whether during crisis or not.
Perhaps we could divide the AAF up based on nations. So in the AAF, there'd be a Britarian Corp, a Menatolian Corp, a Minervan Corp etc, or whatever you wish to call it.

[Cactovia]

I agree with Grand Britania if I have a word in Discussions.

[Geniocratics]

Regarding uniform, I believe we should still only have something to distinguish who's in the AAF, that would cut a lot of cost. Regarding everything else such as weapons and command I agree with Vici. I believe that the AAF should be hand picked, and should use the same equipment. However, I don't believe that every nation should supply the same quantity of men. I believe that each nation should supply a minimum quantity of men and larger nations should be allowed to offer more men if they wish.

Going back to the point of weaponry and equipment, we are a very strong region in weapons manufacturing and that would play well in the AAF. Top weapons scientists or companies in Austritaria should come together and form a range of weaponry, vehicles and equipment for the AAF. This would be much cheaper than buying abroad as it means we can sell the excess.

Command of the AAF should be done through hand picked generals from each nation, including the possibility of the leader himself (if you are an autocracy or dictatorship). I do not believe that a council [not THE council, Grand Britaria] should have control over the army as I personally believe that political minds should not be in full control of a military, let the generals do the arguing.

Touching on Britaria's point here, I believe that we should not split the divisions into nation based divisions, but we should keep the divisions to a single nation. The divisions shouldn't mix nations but they shouldn't be set into nation divisions, if you see my point. However, I believe that a special operations regional force should mix nations and should be made of the best soldiers within the AAF from all countries and should be ranked by talent.