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by Acerbic » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:16 pm
by Nekoland » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:23 pm
The Parthians wrote:North Defese wrote:
"Urban combat" is a messy business. It is much more efficient to beseige the city itself and starve the defenders out. There is no city today that is built to resist such a tactic, so supplies would quickly be dwindled down.
No, no.
What you do is carpet bomb the center of it with three waves of bombers. The first with conventional high explosives to tear up buildings and expose the interiors, the second with incendiaries to start raging fires that sweep through huge areas of the city, and the third with cluster munitions to cut down firefighters and rescue crews who respond to the fires or civilians fleeing from the raging inferno. You end up with a firestorm that burns hot enough to light asphalt on fire and guts the city with flame.
Having done that, all that remains is to wait for the firestorm to die in a day or so, then carpet bomb the city again with thermobaric bombs to smoke out the rest of the population.
Or just bombard the city with an artillery barrage of VX, leaving a lifeless, chemically soaked, yet intact city for your troops to cross unimpeded.
by Lemonius » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:54 pm
by Inky Noodles » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:08 pm
by Flaxxony-Setram » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:13 pm
Hoaku wrote:Hoaku's military excels at winter combat, naval warefare due to a large number of submarines and some carriers, long term deployment, and survivability. We are also know for our Special Operations, tactics, guerilla warefare, endurance (due to high alititude training), biological and chemical warfare, and finally we are known for and excel at psychological warefare
On a side note we believe biological weapons are more effective than nukes, atomic bombs and H bombs. 1 single biological weapon can harm a whole nation plus more than 1 silly nuke.
P.S. Of course we have the vaccine but it's only available to Hoaku's citizens.
by Dimoniquid » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:15 pm
Flaxxony-Setram wrote:Hoaku wrote:Hoaku's military excels at winter combat, naval warefare due to a large number of submarines and some carriers, long term deployment, and survivability. We are also know for our Special Operations, tactics, guerilla warefare, endurance (due to high alititude training), biological and chemical warfare, and finally we are known for and excel at psychological warefare
On a side note we believe biological weapons are more effective than nukes, atomic bombs and H bombs. 1 single biological weapon can harm a whole nation plus more than 1 silly nuke.
P.S. Of course we have the vaccine but it's only available to Hoaku's citizens.
Well the only problem with bio is if it gets spread back into your army. That's what's sucks because people can catch the disease in your army and then poof that didnt help. Same with chemical; what if the gas blows back on your troops. Nukes do that too as the radiation spreads to the upper atmosphere. And radiological is not effective at all
by Santheres » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:21 pm
Dimoniquid wrote:Flaxxony-Setram wrote:Well the only problem with bio is if it gets spread back into your army. That's what's sucks because people can catch the disease in your army and then poof that didnt help. Same with chemical; what if the gas blows back on your troops. Nukes do that too as the radiation spreads to the upper atmosphere. And radiological is not effective at all
If it's a harmful biological weapon (like mustard gas), wouldn't all of the suffering and injuries effect the mentality of the soldiers anyway? You'd be sending your own troops to hell.
by Lolzieristan » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:24 pm
Santheres wrote:Dimoniquid wrote:If it's a harmful biological weapon (like mustard gas), wouldn't all of the suffering and injuries effect the mentality of the soldiers anyway? You'd be sending your own troops to hell.
1) Mustard gas is a chemical agent, not biological.
2) Your troops should have been trained for this scenario, and if you're the sort to use such weapons off-hand, then you probably do a good job of preparing them for this. Yes, it'll be awful, but not necessarily hell and it won't by default lower their effectiveness.
Now, response to the post you quoted: biological weapons can be vaccinated against, and if you're invading somewhere where you just released an agent, you'd be an idiot if they weren't vaccinated. Likewise, you're not going to charge in to where you released chemical agents without defenses against it. You can have those defenses because you know it's going to happen. They don't (not necessarily, anyway).
by Santheres » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:28 pm
Lolzieristan wrote:Santheres wrote:
1) Mustard gas is a chemical agent, not biological.
2) Your troops should have been trained for this scenario, and if you're the sort to use such weapons off-hand, then you probably do a good job of preparing them for this. Yes, it'll be awful, but not necessarily hell and it won't by default lower their effectiveness.
Now, response to the post you quoted: biological weapons can be vaccinated against, and if you're invading somewhere where you just released an agent, you'd be an idiot if they weren't vaccinated. Likewise, you're not going to charge in to where you released chemical agents without defenses against it. You can have those defenses because you know it's going to happen. They don't (not necessarily, anyway).
I think he's talking about the psychological effect of looking at all the bodies...it's just off-putting to see people that have died like that. Those chemicals can do some pretty bad stuff, ya know.
by The Kaiju Free State » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:29 am
Saurisisia wrote:We excel at speed and maneuvering, at least, we think we do.
We do excel at bringing the hurt on the enemy from above, everything from proton bombs, anti-matter bombs, napalm, toxic gas, and other things like that. Oh yes and orbital bombardment too and orbital nuking.
by Lemonius » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:30 am
The Kaiju Free State wrote:Saurisisia wrote:We excel at speed and maneuvering, at least, we think we do.
We do excel at bringing the hurt on the enemy from above, everything from proton bombs, anti-matter bombs, napalm, toxic gas, and other things like that. Oh yes and orbital bombardment too and orbital nuking.
How is orbital bombardment supposed to work? Is it just firing off a bunch of ICBMs?
by The Kaiju Free State » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:33 am
by Viritica » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:35 am
by Segmentia » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:43 am
by Waraqistan » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:48 am
by The Sword » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:49 am
by The Parthians » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:26 am
Nekoland wrote:
Why waste so many resources on just one city?
by Syleru » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:32 am
Tarvelia wrote:Environazis.
by Nekoland » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:52 am
The Parthians wrote:Nekoland wrote:
Why waste so many resources on just one city?
City fighting is messy business and (very sensibly) people tend to use cities as strong points to hold back attackers or delay their advance. Because Parthia places emphasis on sweeping advances, mobility, and deep operations, city fighting is something we'd rather avoid, so we neutralize the existence of the city rather than bother to fight for it. If we didn't destroy the city and any armed civilians or enemy forces within them, it would require us to devote forces to pinning any enemy forces within the city and starving them out.
It's also an effective propaganda vehicle. It says "keep fighting and we'll obliterate pretty much all of your country without pause or mercy."
by The Soviet Technocracy » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:55 am
The Parthians wrote:North Defese wrote:
"Urban combat" is a messy business. It is much more efficient to beseige the city itself and starve the defenders out. There is no city today that is built to resist such a tactic, so supplies would quickly be dwindled down.
No, no.
What you do is carpet bomb the center of it with three waves of bombers. The first with conventional high explosives to tear up buildings and expose the interiors, the second with incendiaries to start raging fires that sweep through huge areas of the city, and the third with cluster munitions to cut down firefighters and rescue crews who respond to the fires or civilians fleeing from the raging inferno. You end up with a firestorm that burns hot enough to light asphalt on fire and guts the city with flame.
Having done that, all that remains is to wait for the firestorm to die in a day or so, then carpet bomb the city again with thermobaric bombs to smoke out the rest of the population.
Or just bombard the city with an artillery barrage of VX, leaving a lifeless, chemically soaked, yet intact city for your troops to cross unimpeded.
Dimoniquid wrote:Flaxxony-Setram wrote:Well the only problem with bio is if it gets spread back into your army. That's what's sucks because people can catch the disease in your army and then poof that didnt help. Same with chemical; what if the gas blows back on your troops. Nukes do that too as the radiation spreads to the upper atmosphere. And radiological is not effective at all
If it's a harmful biological weapon (like mustard gas), wouldn't all of the suffering and injuries effect the mentality of the soldiers anyway? You'd be sending your own troops to hell.
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