Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
Please don't pretend I said something I didn't; thanks.
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by Bluth Corporation » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:15 pm
Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:16 pm
Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Farnhamia » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:17 pm
Bluth Corporation wrote:Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
Please don't pretend I said something I didn't; thanks.
by Phenia » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:18 pm
Bluth Corporation wrote:Phenia wrote:Bluth Corporation wrote:This is incorrect. All rights are absolute.
That is not an argument.
Yes, it is.
Who's copy-and-pasting?
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:19 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Bluth Corporation wrote:Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
Please don't pretend I said something I didn't; thanks.
Just trying to make sense of your terse declarations, is all.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Galloism » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:19 pm
Bluth Corporation wrote:Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
Please don't pretend I said something I didn't; thanks.
by Farnhamia » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:20 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
Actually, that is not correct. Bluth was stating that if you live somewhere with restrictions to your freedom, you are living under a tyrant. I personally would go that far myself, but it really isn't that abstract of a view... it's a lot more reasonable than the "right-wing terrorists are EVERYWHERE!" thread.
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:21 pm
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Rhodmhire » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:21 pm
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:23 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Der Teutoniker wrote:Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
Actually, that is not correct. Bluth was stating that if you live somewhere with restrictions to your freedom, you are living under a tyrant. I personally would go that far myself, but it really isn't that abstract of a view... it's a lot more reasonable than the "right-wing terrorists are EVERYWHERE!" thread.
I didn't see that thread out there. And you ought to go check the actual thread, apparently the poor old deranged guy had a pretty extensive record.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:24 pm
Galloism wrote:Bluth Corporation wrote:Farnhamia wrote:According Bluth, however, if you live anywhere there is a government, there are tyrants.
Please don't pretend I said something I didn't; thanks.
But you said taxes are a form of tyranny.
All governments levy taxes in some form or another.
Therefore, all governments are tyrannical.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Saige Dragon » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:26 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:Sorry, but "modern usage" according to wikipedia is not the end-all.
He is clearly arguing an alternative definition of tyrant, you don't have to agree, but all you are arguing is that his personal connotation is wrong... which is kind of foolhardy.
Merriam-Webster wrote:Tyrant
Pronunciation:
\ˈtī-rənt\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English tyraunt, from Anglo-French tyran, tyrant, from Latin tyrannus, from Greek tyrannos
Date:
14th century
1 a: an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b: a usurper of sovereignty
2 a: a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b: one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power
by Farnhamia » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:28 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Der Teutoniker wrote:Actually, that is not correct. Bluth was stating that if you live somewhere with restrictions to your freedom, you are living under a tyrant. I personally would go that far myself, but it really isn't that abstract of a view... it's a lot more reasonable than the "right-wing terrorists are EVERYWHERE!" thread.
I didn't see that thread out there. And you ought to go check the actual thread, apparently the poor old deranged guy had a pretty extensive record.
You missed the entire point. The OP of the right-wing terror-based thread was exaggerating the threat of right-wing terrorists because of one crazy old dude, I understand he had quite a record, and I did read part of that thread.
But way to not actually argue the point I made, a subtle concession I suspect?
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:29 pm
Saige Dragon wrote:Der Teutoniker wrote:Sorry, but "modern usage" according to wikipedia is not the end-all.
He is clearly arguing an alternative definition of tyrant, you don't have to agree, but all you are arguing is that his personal connotation is wrong... which is kind of foolhardy.
Fine. His personal connotation however is counter to the general definition of tyrant:Merriam-Webster wrote:Tyrant
Pronunciation:
\ˈtī-rənt\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English tyraunt, from Anglo-French tyran, tyrant, from Latin tyrannus, from Greek tyrannos
Date:
14th century
1 a: an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b: a usurper of sovereignty
2 a: a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b: one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power
The Queen and the government of Canada do not fit the definition above as much as we Canadians like to complain or think. Canada is not run by tyrants. Bluth doesn't live in Canada, Bluth is not a Canadian citizen. To tell me that I live under a tyrant is foolhardy. Now that we are sufficiently off-topic, this argument is over. If Bluth has a problem with my argument in regards to gun control, he'll have to come up with something better than tyrants who are out to get me.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Galloism » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:30 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:So, you're saying that because all governments currently levy taxes, that the only governemnt possible, ever, would have to levy taxes? No situation could ever occur in which a government did not levy taxes? That seems to be a bit of a stretch.
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:31 pm
Farnhamia wrote:I would concede that that's what Bluth meant but he said I was putting words in his mouth, so ....
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:32 pm
Galloism wrote:Der Teutoniker wrote:So, you're saying that because all governments currently levy taxes, that the only governemnt possible, ever, would have to levy taxes? No situation could ever occur in which a government did not levy taxes? That seems to be a bit of a stretch.
Explain, on even a basic level, how a government can operate without taking in any income.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Saige Dragon » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:32 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:Nope, but I think Bluth made pretty clear his personal definition of tyrant, arguing about different definitons serves no one.
by Secruss » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:34 pm
Nordfire wrote:Secruss wrote:I got nothing to say about England's laws. I don't live there, so I can't take part.
Surely you can discuss another country's laws without living there?
by Der Teutoniker » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:36 pm
Saige Dragon wrote:Der Teutoniker wrote:Nope, but I think Bluth made pretty clear his personal definition of tyrant, arguing about different definitons serves no one.
And personal definitions do not make concrete arguments.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Farnhamia » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:37 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:Farnhamia wrote:I would concede that that's what Bluth meant but he said I was putting words in his mouth, so ....
You did. You changed the meaning of his words considerably. You explained him as having said things he didn't say, in other words, 'putting words in his mouth'.
by Galloism » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:39 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:Donated time?
Government owned properties?
I'm not saying there should'nt be any taxes, or that it would work well, merely that anti-taxes does not mean anti-government, you're confusing the argument.
by Saige Dragon » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:40 pm
Der Teutoniker wrote:They do if you're arguing opinion.
by Icelavic » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:44 pm
Maurepas wrote:Bavin wrote:Maurepas wrote:Depends, I would say the government has no right to take your guns away....
However if your arsenal starts to out step the US military, then there are problems...
How about if you are more heavily armed then the Vatican Guards...
The real question is, Who shouldnt be more heavily armed than the Vatican Guards? Dont they use swords and spears?
by The Cat-Tribe » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:49 pm
Bluth Corporation wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:Neither the Second Amendment nor any natural right to bear arms is absolute.
This is incorrect. All rights are absolute.Just like with free speech or any other right, there are some limitations on the right.
Not legitimately.In the ground-breaking case of District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ___ (2008), SCOTUS made clear for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm. BUT the Court limited the scope of its decision to the possession and legal use of handguns. FURTHER, the Court was very clear that such a right was far from absolute or applied to all weapons
Irrelevant. The Supreme Court is not the arbiter of our rights; objective moral principle is.
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