Malgrave wrote:Obama needs to grow some balls.
A-fucking-men.
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by Wilgrove » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:01 pm
Sibirsky wrote:Keronians wrote:
Gary Johnson is not going to win the nomination.
As for Ron Paul, no he isn't. IMO, he's still bonkers though.
He is better than Obama on every single issue.
Foreign policy that actually makes sense. Economic policy that makes sense. Could use some improvement on civil rights, but head and shoulders above Obama.
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:01 pm
California Terra Prime wrote:Sibirsky wrote:People change their minds. And his policies get watered down by the rest of the Democrats and the GOP.
That makes NO sense
If he did the bankers' bidding, they wouldn't be throwing all their money at the republicans, that should be simple to understand
If the republicans helped water down his "pro-corporate" policies, then the corporations wouldn't be backing the GOP
If he was a slave to the big money interests, he wouldn't be described as "anti-business" by the right
If he was a union stooge, why not try to pass EFCA back when it polled well and dems had supermajorities in both houses?
by Francis Fitzgerald » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:02 pm
by Ashmoria » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:04 pm
Wilgrove wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:What did they call that back in 2008? "Concern trolling?" Thinking that Clinton would have magiced away the problems is as stupid as thinking that Obama was going to be able to magic away our problems.
Bet you five bucks that Clinton would've gotten us the public option. Bet you five bucks that Clinton wouldn't have filled the Stimulus and Jobs bills with tax cuts. Bet you five bucks that when it comes to the Debt Ceiling debate, Clinton would play hard ball with the Republicans. .
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:05 pm
Wilgrove wrote:Sibirsky wrote:He is better than Obama on every single issue.
Foreign policy that actually makes sense. Economic policy that makes sense. Could use some improvement on civil rights, but head and shoulders above Obama.
Ok, Off topic here, but since when are you a Brony? Also, did they give you "Welcome to the Herd' thing yet?
by Francis Fitzgerald » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:06 pm
Wilgrove wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:What did they call that back in 2008? "Concern trolling?" Thinking that Clinton would have magiced away the problems is as stupid as thinking that Obama was going to be able to magic away our problems.
Bet you five bucks that Clinton would've gotten us the public option. Bet you five bucks that Clinton wouldn't have filled the Stimulus and Jobs bills with tax cuts. Bet you five bucks that when it comes to the Debt Ceiling debate, Clinton would play hard ball with the Republicans. Clinton has balls, Obama doesn't. When your country is in a political chaotic mess that it's in now, you don't need Fluttershy, you need Rainbow Dash.
by Wilgrove » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:07 pm
Francis Fitzgerald wrote:Wilgrove wrote:
Bet you five bucks that Clinton would've gotten us the public option. Bet you five bucks that Clinton wouldn't have filled the Stimulus and Jobs bills with tax cuts. Bet you five bucks that when it comes to the Debt Ceiling debate, Clinton would play hard ball with the Republicans. Clinton has balls, Obama doesn't. When your country is in a political chaotic mess that it's in now, you don't need Fluttershy, you need Rainbow Dash.
Oh please, all the liberals and progressives hated Clinton when he was president. From NAFTA to DOMA (and DADT) to Clinton's proposed mandate.
by Francis Fitzgerald » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:08 pm
by Aeronos » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:11 pm
by Parti Ouvrier » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:15 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:26 pm
Wilgrove wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:What did they call that back in 2008? "Concern trolling?" Thinking that Clinton would have magiced away the problems is as stupid as thinking that Obama was going to be able to magic away our problems.
Bet you five bucks that Clinton would've gotten us the public option. Bet you five bucks that Clinton wouldn't have filled the Stimulus and Jobs bills with tax cuts. Bet you five bucks that when it comes to the Debt Ceiling debate, Clinton would play hard ball with the Republicans. Clinton has balls, Obama doesn't. When your country is in a political chaotic mess that it's in now, you don't need Fluttershy, you need Rainbow Dash.
by Galla- » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:32 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Wilgrove wrote:
Bet you five bucks that Clinton would've gotten us the public option. Bet you five bucks that Clinton wouldn't have filled the Stimulus and Jobs bills with tax cuts. Bet you five bucks that when it comes to the Debt Ceiling debate, Clinton would play hard ball with the Republicans. Clinton has balls, Obama doesn't. When your country is in a political chaotic mess that it's in now, you don't need Fluttershy, you need Rainbow Dash.
Oh man, this is sweet, because I sure could use the money.
First of all, the mandate and not the public option was part of Clinton's campaign. So what we have now would have been her opening gambit.
Five bucks for me. I accept PayPal.
I don't see her being able to magic the congress into shit, and given her own failures early on to 'strong arm' congress into initiating a health care plan in the early 90s, I don't see any reason to believe that she's now super capable of bounding over a reluctant congress. There seems to be nothing to indicate that she is either against certain tax cuts nor that she would have been able to pass any kind of stimulus bill without some sort of tax cut.
We'll call that pending lest you can somehow demonstrate otherwise, but I'm thinkin' I have enough to go see a movie now.
On the debt ceiling debate she would have played hardball...what does that really mean, exactly? She would have called them dicks? She would have let it flounder with all the ill-effects of not raising it 'just to show them?' And this would have done, what, exactly? You don't think that the added damage would not be chalked up to her presidency in the same way any shit that happens ends up at that doorstep? What would this have accomplished, exactly, other than giving you some bravado to masturbate to?
It's an empty statement, no money exchanged.
Technically speaking, Obama has balls, Clinton has ovaries. But you didn't put money down on that one, so we'll give it a pass.
Regardless of how much I enjoy a program, I do not use its characters to decide who I want to lead a country.
The Republican's "No, fuck off" machine was designed for Clinton. That's who they thought was going to win, that's who they loaded up for. She's not a lion tamer. I fail to see what it is she would have done that would have made a reluctant opposition party that's been hating her for the better part of two decades act different, except even less because she, too, was going to sit in her corner and hold her breath until she got her way.
EDIT: Holy DeRailed Train of Thought - I seemed to have given an early indicator to an entirely different conclusion. I may have gotten momentarily distracted and started writing the next paragraph mid-sentence...fixed, I think. I promise nothing. Accept at all times my posts might be constructed like the Winchester Mystery House...
Fashiontopia wrote:Look don't come here talking bad about Americans, that will get you cussed out faster than relativity.
Besides: Most posters in this thread are Americans, and others who are non-Americans have no problems co-existing so shut that trap...
by Faith Hope Charity » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:33 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:34 pm
Galla- wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Oh man, this is sweet, because I sure could use the money.
First of all, the mandate and not the public option was part of Clinton's campaign. So what we have now would have been her opening gambit.
Five bucks for me. I accept PayPal.
I don't see her being able to magic the congress into shit, and given her own failures early on to 'strong arm' congress into initiating a health care plan in the early 90s, I don't see any reason to believe that she's now super capable of bounding over a reluctant congress. There seems to be nothing to indicate that she is either against certain tax cuts nor that she would have been able to pass any kind of stimulus bill without some sort of tax cut.
We'll call that pending lest you can somehow demonstrate otherwise, but I'm thinkin' I have enough to go see a movie now.
On the debt ceiling debate she would have played hardball...what does that really mean, exactly? She would have called them dicks? She would have let it flounder with all the ill-effects of not raising it 'just to show them?' And this would have done, what, exactly? You don't think that the added damage would not be chalked up to her presidency in the same way any shit that happens ends up at that doorstep? What would this have accomplished, exactly, other than giving you some bravado to masturbate to?
It's an empty statement, no money exchanged.
Technically speaking, Obama has balls, Clinton has ovaries. But you didn't put money down on that one, so we'll give it a pass.
Regardless of how much I enjoy a program, I do not use its characters to decide who I want to lead a country.
The Republican's "No, fuck off" machine was designed for Clinton. That's who they thought was going to win, that's who they loaded up for. She's not a lion tamer. I fail to see what it is she would have done that would have made a reluctant opposition party that's been hating her for the better part of two decades act different, except even less because she, too, was going to sit in her corner and hold her breath until she got her way.
EDIT: Holy DeRailed Train of Thought - I seemed to have given an early indicator to an entirely different conclusion. I may have gotten momentarily distracted and started writing the next paragraph mid-sentence...fixed, I think. I promise nothing. Accept at all times my posts might be constructed like the Winchester Mystery House...
Clinton.
As in Bill, I would assume.
by Aeronos » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:34 pm
Faith Hope Charity wrote:Dear President Obama, PLEASE RUN AGAIN!
It would please me greatly.
Now if we could just get the Republicans to pick Ron Paul... (like thats going to happen).
by Francis Fitzgerald » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:34 pm
Faith Hope Charity wrote:Dear President Obama, PLEASE RUN AGAIN!
It would please me greatly.
Now if we could just get the Republicans to pick Ron Paul... (like thats going to happen).
by Faith Hope Charity » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:36 pm
by Faith Hope Charity » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:37 pm
Aeronos wrote:Faith Hope Charity wrote:Dear President Obama, PLEASE RUN AGAIN!
It would please me greatly.
Now if we could just get the Republicans to pick Ron Paul... (like thats going to happen).
Sadly, ponies would sooner fall from the sky than Ron Paul would get elected. The tyranny of the status quo is oft underestimated >_<
by Francis Fitzgerald » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:37 pm
by Keronians » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:38 pm
Faith Hope Charity wrote:Dear President Obama, PLEASE RUN AGAIN!
It would please me greatly.
Now if we could just get the Republicans to pick Ron Paul... (like thats going to happen).
by Galla- » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:38 pm
Fashiontopia wrote:Look don't come here talking bad about Americans, that will get you cussed out faster than relativity.
Besides: Most posters in this thread are Americans, and others who are non-Americans have no problems co-existing so shut that trap...
by Parti Ouvrier » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:38 pm
Faith Hope Charity wrote:Dear President Obama, PLEASE RUN AGAIN!
It would please me greatly.
Now if we could just get the Republicans to pick Ron Paul... (like thats going to happen).
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