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by Allied Governments » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:00 am
by Johz » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:03 am
by H-Alba » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:03 am
Angleter wrote:H-Alba wrote:
I'm more proud of being a Highlander, and an Ethno-Linguistic Gael, but that doesn't make me "not Scottish". I'm proud of the Gaelic Culture, more then I am of just "being Scottish over all". Would you prefer I be more specific in my signature?
By all means, because I don't remember you ever having much love for the Lowland culture. And if one is able to be a proud Highlander and consider oneself Scottish in general, I see no reason why the buck must stop at Hadrian's Wall and you can't identify as British as well.
by Shikarta » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:03 am
by SD_Film Artists » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:03 am
H-Alba wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:
Before Lord Dacre, the "kilt" was the full-body thing that you see in Medieval 2 Total War.
And if Scottish soldiers playing the bagpipe while wearing kilts in the Empire isn't "Scottish culture" then I don't know what is.
As for the gaelic language, oppressed by who? And please, let's not get into Mel Gibson hyperbole.
The lowland Scots, who are anglophones. My granddad had the tawse used on him, just for speaking Gaelic in School, and it was common for Gaels to be beat after school for using the language. That's really "being friendly" isn't it?Angleter wrote:Oppressed not nearly so much by the English as by the Lowlanders, who granted spoke English, but formed from the 15th century on (or even earlier) the nucleus of the state of Scotland, and to this day dislike England more than they do the 'Teuchters'. Curiously enough, however, despite being acutely aware of the Highland-Lowland divide within Scotland, H Alba seems to declare pride in being Scottish as a whole (and that whole has for many centuries been Anglophone Lowland dominated), rather than in being a Highlander.
I'm more proud of being a Highlander, and an Ethno-Linguistic Gael, but that doesn't make me "not Scottish". I'm proud of the Gaelic Culture, more then I am of just "being Scottish over all". Would you prefer I be more specific in my signature?
by SD_Film Artists » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:04 am
by South Norfair » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:06 am
Blazedtown wrote:South Norfair wrote:You'd take it, but nobody asked those elder civilizations what they would take, it was just imposed on them and in most cases it didn't work as well as the previous system.
Who cares? If they were able to be beaten into submission by an island half way around the world, they were past their prime and had grow stagnant. New countries rise and overtake the old powers. Its the progression of history.
by Tiriodh » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:06 am
Takaram wrote:As a citizen of the former 14th British colony in America, I'm rather divided. On the one hand, they spread a lot of ideas around the world that I rather like, but at the same time they could be rather oppressive and racist at times.
by Aurora-Nova » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:07 am
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by Allied Governments » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:08 am
by Shikarta » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:08 am
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Ethno Gael?
by H-Alba » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:08 am
SD_Film Artists wrote:H-Alba wrote:
The lowland Scots, who are anglophones. My granddad had the tawse used on him, just for speaking Gaelic in School, and it was common for Gaels to be beat after school for using the language. That's really "being friendly" isn't it?
I'm more proud of being a Highlander, and an Ethno-Linguistic Gael, but that doesn't make me "not Scottish". I'm proud of the Gaelic Culture, more then I am of just "being Scottish over all". Would you prefer I be more specific in my signature?
Ethno Gael?
Please, we're all Celtic-Germanic (and countless more, if you count non-Caucasians). It's just more convenient of Scottish nationalists to create a "Scottish/gaelic ethnicity" in order to create a culture of "us-VS-them". England isn't just Normans or Romans.
by Angleter » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:08 am
H-Alba wrote:Angleter wrote:
By all means, because I don't remember you ever having much love for the Lowland culture. And if one is able to be a proud Highlander and consider oneself Scottish in general, I see no reason why the buck must stop at Hadrian's Wall and you can't identify as British as well.
I never have, nor will I ever identify myself as British. I've always identified myself as Scottish when asked for a nationality, or as an ethnic Gael when asked for ethnicity.
by Euroslavia » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:08 am
Tiriodh wrote:Takaram wrote:As a citizen of the former 14th British colony in America, I'm rather divided. On the one hand, they spread a lot of ideas around the world that I rather like, but at the same time they could be rather oppressive and racist at times.
Aye and I imagine if I were to come around to a posters house, kick the door in, punch him in the face, tie him up and then do the washing and ironing, people would still think i'm a total arse and not 'good'
by Stonec » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:09 am
by Nazis in Space » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:10 am
Irrelevant?
by Tiriodh » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:10 am
Euroslavia wrote:Tiriodh wrote:
Aye and I imagine if I were to come around to a posters house, kick the door in, punch him in the face, tie him up and then do the washing and ironing, people would still think i'm a total arse and not 'good'
Add cooking dinner into the equation and I may lean towards good. Especially if it's spaghetti.
by Uawc » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:11 am
by New Phyrreus » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:11 am
by Aurora-Nova » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:12 am
Stonec wrote:Judging Imperialist era civilizations by modern standards is just redundant anyway. Yes, what the colonial powers (Prominent among them Britain) did was terrible, but judging them by modern standards doesn't make sense. This was when fantastic racism was seen as a perfectly normal characteristic for a gentleman, and social and political darwinism was the driving force behind most if not all major politics. If the native peoples in a country had something that the colonialists wanted, then more than likely they would take it. Then the colonialists would fight amongst themselves for whatever goodies were left behind, and the winner would rip off the native peoples again. It is tragic and inexcusable by modern standards, but that's just the way the world worked back then. I know some managed it more than others, (Like the dutch establishing schools in Indonesia) but these were the exceptions rather than the rule. Sad, but true.
As we speak, the Libyan people are being
massacred by terrorists in arms against the
legitimate government. The elderly, women,
children... everyone in Libya is in danger tonight.
Help raise awareness and support Gaddafi!
“I believe that Palestine is an occupied land
from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River,
and this is the right of the entire
Palestinian people, this land.”
~Sayyid Hassan Nasrallah
by Shikarta » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:12 am
Allied Governments wrote:Shikarta wrote:
Nazi Germany tried to 'shape' the world too, and they certainly spread technology through forceful means. Does that legitimise their actions as well?
What kind of world was Nazi Germany living in as opposed to the British when they were making their empire? It's downright stupid to try and impose modern day ethics and morality to people who lived 200-300 years ago, they had completely different outlooks on a ton of things.
Maybe I should make a thread saying how the Roman Gladiatorial games were barbaric, or how the Aztecs and Mayans were bloodthirsty savages that pretty much deserved to be wiped out.
by Parhe » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:12 am
Allied Governments wrote:Shikarta wrote:
Nazi Germany tried to 'shape' the world too, and they certainly spread technology through forceful means. Does that legitimise their actions as well?
What kind of world was Nazi Germany living in as opposed to the British when they were making their empire? It's downright stupid to try and impose modern day ethics and morality to people who lived 200-300 years ago, they had completely different outlooks on a ton of things.
Maybe I should make a thread saying how the Roman Gladiatorial games were barbaric, or how the Aztecs and Mayans were bloodthirsty savages that pretty much deserved to be wiped out.
by SD_Film Artists » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:13 am
by H-Alba » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:14 am
Angleter wrote:H-Alba wrote:
I never have, nor will I ever identify myself as British. I've always identified myself as Scottish when asked for a nationality, or as an ethnic Gael when asked for ethnicity.
Why not, though? If a Highland Gael is able to appreciate their Scottishness that is shared with the Lowlanders who discriminated against them, then why on Earth is the notion of also appreciating what one shares with England, Northern Ireland and Wales so unpalatable?
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