Allow mass-telegrams for delegate or founder?

[[violet]]

Hey Todd, I was going to post an update. Py and I are actively discussing this, trying to work out how best to do it. Unfortunately our current TG code is not at all scalable, and can't handle mass TGs. So this requires a complete overhaul, to give us code that can support mass TGs, as well as a Sent Items list, plus much larger or unlimited TG inboxes. But this will all take time.

[Darkesia]

@[violet] & py That is all.

[Unibot]

Hey Todd, I was going to post an update. Py and I are actively discussing this, trying to work out how best to do it. Unfortunately our current TG code is not at all scalable, and can't handle mass TGs. So this requires a complete overhaul, to give us code that can support mass TGs, as well as a Sent Items list, plus much larger or unlimited TG inboxes. But this will all take time.

*Lovingly updated to the Big List*

[United Gordonopia]

Hey, I run an alliance, the League of Republics. Often times, I have to tg a bunch of people to remind them to "stay active on the forums" and other announcements. Even with only around 20 people, it still takes 5 minutes to get everyone. We could try to figure out a way to expand this into something that you could maybe apply for, that way people who actually need it for reasons outside of regions could use it.

[[violet]]

Yes, I'm just looking at architecture at the moment, but I definitely want to support all kinds of mass communication. So you can easily TG everyone in your Dossier, all members of Region X, all new nations, everyone who's endorsed you, etc.

(Obviously there'd be restrictions on this, to prevent spam. But where we permit it, it'll be possible.)

[United Gordonopia]

Yes, I'm just looking at architecture at the moment, but I definitely want to support all kinds of mass communication. So you can easily TG everyone in your Dossier, all members of Region X, all new nations, everyone who's endorsed you, etc.

(Obviously there'd be restrictions on this, to prevent spam. But where we permit it, it'll be possible.)

Maybe you could allow regional founders/delegates to mass tg their region, while you could make a thread or something where people could apply to be able to mass tg people, so that you could screen people before they got the power?

[Unibot]

all new nations

Brilliant, but I don't know how it would work (validity = below 7 million + haven't left feeder?). If you created a BBcode which emulated the @@NATION@@ macro to show the nation's name that is viewing the text -- It would legitimize recruiting, but at the same time, encourage recruiters to use telegrams not RMB spam -- and would lower the amount of wild recruitment telegram sprees that annoyingly hit many settled residents of feeders.

Or did you mean new nations of a certain region, like a welcome telegram.
Which would be neat, but a method to block welcome telegrams would be nice. They could get annoying for frequent travelers.

[Kandarin]

Or did you mean new nations of a certain region, like a welcome telegram.
Which would be neat, but a method to block welcome telegrams would be nice. They could get annoying for frequent travelers.

Another possibility would be an option for founders/delegates to set a standard welcome telegram to be sent out to nations when they arrive in a region. I suppose it could get annoying for people who hop back and forth into their home region, but that could be avoided by tying it to Influence and only sending it to those with zero influence (i.e. the truly new to the region).

[Unibot]

Or did you mean new nations of a certain region, like a welcome telegram.
Which would be neat, but a method to block welcome telegrams would be nice. They could get annoying for frequent travelers.

Another possibility would be an option for founders/delegates to set a standard welcome telegram to be sent out to nations when they arrive in a region. I suppose it could get annoying for people who hop back and forth into their home region, but that could be avoided by tying it to Influence and only sending it to those with zero influence (i.e. the truly new to the region).

Yep. That's pretty much what I was trying to say -- verbatim.

[Topid]

Still annoying for those of us with puppets who travel region to region. Featured Region Followers springs to mind. But I have a few too that just travel to gossip.

I think it should be able to turn off in settings, but it is a good idea.

[Mayor For Life]

Still annoying for those of us with puppets who travel region to region. Featured Region Followers springs to mind. But I have a few too that just travel to gossip.

I think it should be able to turn off in settings, but it is a good idea.

The original concept I had (or heard - it's been a while since Todd suggested this) was to limit mass TG to Founders and WA Delegates as a tool for managing one's region. I think it would be an adspam nightmare in the feeders if it was available to recruiters. It could also be used by vandals to create denial of service TG flooding that wipes out inboxes. A crazed TG-all knucklehead might be able to crash the server unless there are reasonable limitations on a TG-all feature.

I definitely agree with Topid that nations ought to be able to toggle "Accept Mass TGs" on and off in settings.

The dossier idea is interesting but it poses a problem as a regional management tool in regions like mine (and tenfold in Todd's) where there's a lot of traffic in and out. Knowing who is in the region at the moment is only as good as the last time you hit refresh on your RH - and wanting to just TG your region's inhabitants would be useful in many instances, albeit obviously nontrivial.

Having a separate "TG-all Dossier" (I know, brainstorming creates many rolled eyes among coders - sorry!) would be more useful than "TG my Dossier" because there are both great friends and a few folks I keep my eye on for other reasons in my Dossier that I would never TG.

[Evil Wolf]

I definitely agree with Topid that nations ought to be able to toggle "Accept Mass TGs" on and off in settings.

Second.

[Mayor For Life]

Thank you for working on this!


Two thoughts:

(1) If a mass TG was simply a link to a regional "mass TG" page, a simple verification could be run to ensure the click came from a nation within the region and you could have 75 or 2,500 nations access one source page rather than replicate and move the data 75 or 2,500 times. Founder/WA Delegate would have the maintenance duty of keeping this page up to date or it would scroll old stuff off just like our individual TG boxes. Essentially identical to the TG we get when we get a nation's capitol or national religion: "You haz a TG from WA Delegate Todd MCloud here."

(2) This idea may be nontrivial and bandwidth intensive, but Google shoves a little adbar at me where ever I go. It's not "on the NS server" it's called up and pushed onto my page when I navigate to it. Rather than send the mass TG to every nation, send them the push script and IF and WHEN they click on it, you send the data from the source into the TG frame. Same text as in #1, but it sends data to the frame only if requested.

In either scenario, if I have one WA and three puppets in a region, I would view the message once and delete the other three links, generating minimal bandwidth throughput. If I can turn it off it my settings, less server load as well.

[Anime Daisuki]

Another possibility would be an option for founders/delegates to set a standard welcome telegram to be sent out to nations when they arrive in a region. I suppose it could get annoying for people who hop back and forth into their home region...

Um, if a founder or delegate can't even send one (1) welcome telegram to a new nation when he/she arrive.... and need an automatic feature for that, then they are not very good founders/delegates.

[United Gordonopia]

Another possibility would be an option for founders/delegates to set a standard welcome telegram to be sent out to nations when they arrive in a region. I suppose it could get annoying for people who hop back and forth into their home region...

Um, if a founder or delegate can't even send one (1) welcome telegram to a new nation when he/she arrive.... and need an automatic feature for that, then they are not very good founders/delegates.

But there are some really big regions, that get dozens of people coming and going every day.

[JURISDICTIONS]

There are so many different versions of this.

I thnk just a mass telegram of only a certain number of nation ( like 10) should be good.

[Fit battion]

There are so many different versions of this.

I thnk just a mass telegram of only a certain number of nation (like 10) should be good.

I'm not quite so keen on this variation, especially in bigger regions like feeders where the Delegates might use this to try and get citizens more active which I think is a very good opportunity for this to be done.

What about having the option to just send messages to all WA Members in a region.

[Albundania]

I think it should be to all of the members, just because 10 isn't nearly enough for the bigger regions, and not every person chooses to be in the WA. That said, there should also be an option for countries to block mass telegrams from their delegates. Just my two cents.

[JURISDICTIONS]

I was suggesting this as a feature if everyone was able to use this system...

The Founder and WA delegate will have the power to "MASS" TG everyone in their region....to do so out side of their region they would be restricted to the 10 nation rule as everyone else....

My rule "Might" restrict spam.

[A mean old man]

Possible anti-spam solution:

Maybe 20 per mass-telegram, one mass-telegram per 30 seconds?

10 seems a bit too restrictive.

However, this would pose a problem for massive regions...

Possible idea: Perhaps regional mass-TGs by delegates/founders could be based on how big the population of the region is? 1 - 10 nations = 10 per 30 seconds, 20 - 50 nations = 20 per 30 seconds, 50 - 100 nations = 50 per 30 seconds...? Or something along those lines...

I'm sure this would take a hell of a lot of programming, though. Plus I'm sure there'd be some other weird issues with it. Only an idea, though, and it can't hurt.


But overall, yes, this is a great idea, and would definitely improve the convenience and efficiency with which we can work with our regions.

[Albundania]

I was suggesting this as a feature if everyone was able to use this system...

The Founder and WA delegate will have the power to "MASS" TG everyone in their region....to do so out side of their region they would be restricted to the 10 nation rule as everyone else....

My rule "Might" restrict spam.

Ah, I see. Well then I agree with you on the 10 TG's at a time, but I would add one set of 10 TG's per minute or so.

[Naivetry]

1) Limit it to same-region only, please, for the love of ADMIN, whatever you do.

2) I really, really don't want individual non-delegate/founder nations to have the ability to send mass-TGs. I can't think of a good reason for them to have it. (And you're talking to someone who once sent 1190 recruitment telegrams in a single day, by hand; trust me, I know it's a pain.) Anything that really needs to be sent out region-wide can be arranged by the delegate or founder, and nations should be telegramming anything else one on one.

EDIT: Or using the RMB. That's what it's there for.

[United Gordonopia]

1) Limit it to same-region only, please, for the love of ADMIN, whatever you do.

2) I really, really don't want individual non-delegate/founder nations to have the ability to send mass-TGs. I can't think of a good reason for them to have it. (And you're talking to someone who once sent 1190 recruitment telegrams in a single day, by hand; trust me, I know it's a pain.) Anything that really needs to be sent out region-wide can be arranged by the delegate or founder, and nations should be telegramming anything else one on one.

I know a good reason for being able to send mass tg's to people outside of regions: alliances. Things like comintern, odecon, etc. send many tg's to members to make announcements and try to bring up activity. I myself head a small alliance, and it's a pain to have to send even 15 people a tg one at a time. Most people in alliances join so they can have a set of allies without moving to a new region altogether.

[Naivetry]

Oh, RP. <_<

[United Gordonopia]

Oh, RP. <_<

RP is boss (yes, I just said that).