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Postby Lodricar » Tue May 17, 2011 7:32 pm

A failed assassination attemptone me:

the nation's diplomatic missives are now delivered via sniper rifle.
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Postby Novariea » Tue May 17, 2011 7:33 pm

Saurisisia wrote:
Khazyan wrote:
No, I wouldn't even consider those big. I'm talking about .50 and .577 sillypants silly silly.

Same thing. .50 bullets go at a farther distance than other bullets. There's a reason why the longest-ranged sniper kill was with a .50 rifle.


Used to be. That was beaten by a Brit with .338 Lapua Magnum in 2009.
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Postby Saurisisia » Tue May 17, 2011 7:35 pm

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Saurisisia wrote:Same thing. .50 bullets go at a farther distance than other bullets. There's a reason why the longest-ranged sniper kill was with a .50 rifle.


Used to be. That was beaten by a Brit with .338 Lapua Magnum in 2009.

True, but still, the record was held for some 7 years, wasn't it?

Besides, the .50 is able to shred through any cover the target's hiding behind. That's a good thing, amirite?
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Postby The Floridian Coast » Tue May 17, 2011 7:38 pm

The Floridian Coast's most elite snipers are a part of Lightning Force, our special ops team, made of pre-selected men who have been trained since age 14. As part of passing Lightning Force training, a sniper must pass a simulation in which they terminate 3 separate targets in 2 seconds. This is made possible by special recoil proof rifles, and extreme precision.

The longest distance official kill attributed to a Lightning Force sniper is 2.25km, amazingly done in torrential rain.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue May 17, 2011 7:38 pm

What guns do they use?
M93 Black Arrow, usually.
What is their training?
Two months standard infantry training, continue on if you are selected as a gifted individual considering marksmanship, five months marksmanship, two months survivalist, one month under Blackguard basics.
What is their role in your overall doctrine?
Usually they are part of the Advanced Scout Wave, hunting high ranking officers to take out before the main wave arrives. They will then support the main army in routing and uprooting the remaining enemy. Talented snipers who prove themselves in battle are advanced to the Blackguard, the elite Special Forces of the Federation, where they play an even greater role as assassins, bounty hunters, support troops, and even long-term behind enemy lines combatants.
Who are some famous snipers?
Sir Charles the Black, an African immigrant to Ceannairceach during the late fifteen hundreds and a founding father of the current training and doctrines of the Blackguard. He has an estimated record of six hundred and eight two kills with a marksmanship rifle, two hundred and twelve with a pistol, sixty five with a crossbow, and nineteen with a bladed weapon. His opinion on this is "Every time I have to sink a blade into someones flesh, I have failed the King."
When was sniping first used in your military?
1500's, around the same time as the beginning of the use of the Blackguard as an effective military unit.
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Postby Lux97 » Tue May 17, 2011 7:42 pm

SteevyT wrote:Our original snipers just started with people with exceptional eyesight and good black powder rifles. They didn't receive any formal training and weren't very organized. Usually whatever group they were with just sort of told them, "Sit in this tree here and pick people off when you can." Now our snipers go through extensive training, they make their own ghillie suits and it isn't too uncommon (actually it's encouraged) for them to make some sort of camouflage cover for their rifle too.

My personal favorite part of the training is the one-on-one sniper battle tourney at the end of the training course. No, they use highly accurate paintball guns, not actual rifles both for safety and to keep the area they are in somewhat more compact. It also forces them to become insanely good at remaining unseen to get close enough to make a shot with a paintball gun, especially since the matches only proceed during the daytime. The tournament is set up so each sniper-in-training fights every other sniper-in-training. Once all the rounds are done, any who did not win 2/3 of their matches must redo the training from the beginning. The students have as many attempts as they want, but the year-long sniper training does not count as part of their military commitment, however, a year as a sniper counts as 1 1/4 years of military commitment (all of our groups have weighted commitment times to encourage people to go for the harder groups).

Our current snipers use a mix of various rifles depending on where they were trained (we have a couple sniper schools) and when they completed training. It is an unfortunate side-effect of trying to find the next standard sniper. We finally decided to build our own rifle after seeing this mess, and first drafts are nearly complete.

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue May 17, 2011 7:52 pm

Khazyan wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:What about them?


They are inefficient. You don't need bullets that you'll be paying for by the dollar to take down infantry armor, and it can't make it through anything better than a LAV, and even then, only with a splode bullets, anyway.

Snipers shouldn't be engaging regular infantry and armour. Their main job should be to scout, with a secondary role of picking off high value targets that must be dropped ASAP, thus the bigger the round, the more likely you are to drop the target. Granted those rounds aren't really good sniper rounds, the Brits made good use of them in the first world war to punch through the steel shields German snipers were hiding behind.
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Postby Red Tide2 » Tue May 17, 2011 7:54 pm

The Red Tidean military actually has surprisingly few snipers and no standard sniping weapons. An unofficial practice for some of the better shots is to loot enemy sniper rifles and negotiate a way to keep it with the battalion commander. Ammo requisition is left up to the soldiers.

One could possibly count forward observers, who like to set themselves up like snipers.

For counter-snipers, a Red Tidean squad just has their anti-tank man fire a thermobaric rocket into the nest.
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Postby Herador » Tue May 17, 2011 7:55 pm

Snipers in Herador are not a military trained group, instead trained by HIT- Heradorian İstihbarat Teşkilatı (Intelligence Agency) and then distributed to the armed forces as needed. A snipers primary role on a battlefield is to work with the Specialist Corps in a pathfinding role, after the initial invasion or assault has taken place, they defer to an intelligence gathering role. However, a HIT member or officer can issue them an assassination or overwatch order. An assassination order can range from hunting a single target or group of targets to simply covering a smaller assault or taking out any enemy who presents themselves as a target. Overwatch however is an order that forbids the sniper from engaging unless engaged, under this order, the sniper team will feed a stream of intelligence updates to the local command element. Traditionally the Sniper Corps uses the CheyTac Intervention. Sniper School is carried out at Fort Majeed, more commonly called "Shadow Land", the program lasts just over eight months, in this time the snipers and their spotters must show and aptitude for stealth, marksmanship, map reading, basic medical skills, hostage negotiation, overcoming grief, and the ability to resist torture. More common amongst the rank and file is the SDM (squad designated marksmen) which is a classification used in both Specialist and Blitz Corps. These men have traditionally used either the M40 or FAL but have in the past month been switching to the HK-417. A SDM's role in a squad is to provide counter sniper and long range support to the squad or battle unit.

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Postby YellowApple » Tue May 17, 2011 7:56 pm

Khazyan wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:What about them?


They are inefficient. You don't need bullets that you'll be paying for by the dollar to take down infantry armor, and it can't make it through anything better than a LAV, and even then, only with a splode bullets, anyway.


Saurisisia wrote:
Khazyan wrote:
No, I wouldn't even consider those big. I'm talking about .50 and .577 sillypants silly silly.

Same thing. .50 bullets go at a farther distance than other bullets. There's a reason why the longest-ranged sniper kill was with a .50 rifle.


My nation avoids tiny bullets like the plague because of the increasingly durable armor. More mass = more inertia = less affected by friction. So, bigger bullets will generally lose less velocity over distance. Plus, bigger bullets will punch through body armor a lot easier, and given the rarity of ground vehicles in the YellowApple Aerospace Marines, those big bullets are handy for punching through engine blocks, vehicle tires, and "bulletproof" windows.

The smallest caliber YellowApple's weapons use is the 7.62 NATO, in the Morita MK1 and its variants (and even many of these are rechambered to .45 ACP). The Morita III uses a caseless .40 round, the SR4-YA .50 BMG, and most pistols between .38 and .45 of varying varieties (the most common being the .44 Magnum). When facing the increasingly impenetrable body armors used by modern armies (and those nasty arachnids that keep pestering YellowApple's fledgling interstellar outposts), anything smaller would be just about worthless.

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Postby SteevyT » Tue May 17, 2011 8:31 pm

Lux97 wrote:
SteevyT wrote:
Our original snipers just started with people with exceptional eyesight and good black powder rifles. They didn't receive any formal training and weren't very organized. Usually whatever group they were with just sort of told them, "Sit in this tree here and pick people off when you can." Now our snipers go through extensive training, they make their own ghillie suits and it isn't too uncommon (actually it's encouraged) for them to make some sort of camouflage cover for their rifle too.

My personal favorite part of the training is the one-on-one sniper battle tourney at the end of the training course. No, they use highly accurate paintball guns, not actual rifles both for safety and to keep the area they are in somewhat more compact. It also forces them to become insanely good at remaining unseen to get close enough to make a shot with a paintball gun, especially since the matches only proceed during the daytime. The tournament is set up so each sniper-in-training fights every other sniper-in-training. Once all the rounds are done, any who did not win 2/3 of their matches must redo the training from the beginning. The students have as many attempts as they want, but the year-long sniper training does not count as part of their military commitment, however, a year as a sniper counts as 1 1/4 years of military commitment (all of our groups have weighted commitment times to encourage people to go for the harder groups).

Our current snipers use a mix of various rifles depending on where they were trained (we have a couple sniper schools) and when they completed training. It is an unfortunate side-effect of trying to find the next standard sniper. We finally decided to build our own rifle after seeing this mess, and first drafts are nearly complete.

:(

Why the sad face? Is it because our sniper don't actually kill each other as part of the training?

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Postby Free Irish Lands » Tue May 17, 2011 8:43 pm

Snipers in The Republic of Free Irish Lands are a closely guarded secret. Details known to the public include that they are used extensively in Guerrilla warfare operations performed by our nation. As such all snipers are under our intelligence agency and all such information is deemed classified above top secret. No snipers serve in our military as a regular member of the armed forces.
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Postby Tabytha » Tue May 17, 2011 9:04 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Snipers shouldn't be engaging regular infantry and armour.


Not with their own personal weapons, anyway. Not usually.

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue May 17, 2011 9:07 pm

Tabytha wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Snipers shouldn't be engaging regular infantry and armour.


Not with their own personal weapons, anyway. Not usually.

They never should, ever, at all, with any weapons. They should only engage high priority targets like senior officers, junior officers, tank commanders, NCOs, machine gunners, snipers, designated marksmen, and other such targets.
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Postby Tabytha » Tue May 17, 2011 9:08 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:They never should, ever, at all, with any weapons. They should only engage high priority targets like senior officers, junior officers, tank commanders, NCOs, machine gunners, snipers, designated marksmen, and other such targets.


U.S. snipers often use radio sets to call in artillery or air strikes on enemy units. It's one of the reasons we use them.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue May 17, 2011 9:13 pm

there are two sniper types in the Shnercropolotian army.
The heavy snipers operate guns that are almost like small artillery; they are almost 4 feet long and fire specially made bullets at unheard-of speeds. The gun also comes with a base to steady aim. Heavy snipers are generally very well trained.

Light snipers use standard sniper rifles, and they are also generally well trained.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue May 17, 2011 9:57 pm

Tabytha wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:They never should, ever, at all, with any weapons. They should only engage high priority targets like senior officers, junior officers, tank commanders, NCOs, machine gunners, snipers, designated marksmen, and other such targets.


U.S. snipers often use radio sets to call in artillery or air strikes on enemy units. It's one of the reasons we use them.

That falls under scouting, they aren't actually taking their rifle and shooting infantry.
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed May 18, 2011 11:05 pm

What guns do they use?
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Squad level marksmen use the AR3R1/mod sF2.

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The most common precision rifle is the SR10 .338 Precision Rifle, issued with the ICO-L 4-12x Long Range Scope.

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It has also been rechambered as a .50 rifle, which is also used in a more limited capacity.

What is their training?: This depends on the sniper school they attend. Camouflage, fieldcraft, and shooting technique (shots between heartbeats) are all taught, but some schools go further with their training.

What is their role in your overall doctrine?: Support. They're generally included in a separate hierarchy at the Battalion level upwards, and they're assigned to various tasks at the discretion of the Battalion commander. They aid in the elimination of hostile leaders and communications assets, and provide support fire to Army units in combat situations, picking off priority targets like other marksmen, machine-guns and anti-armour teams, amongst many things. Furthermore, equipped with the .50, they take on anti-materiel and vehicle interdiction roles as well.

Other forces use them for other purposes (i.e. Army Special Forces for 'hunting' operations, and the DES for assassination), but that's not a component of official doctrine per se.

Who are some famous snipers?: Sword Sergeant Tolyr Ifameis, who achieved 280 kills during his time in Asakura between 2005 and 2011 with a number of different weapons, including the longest range rifle kill in Anemonian history at 2,780m with the SR10 .338 in 2011.
Major Ilemeren Fesantyr, The Gentleman Officer, who became famous in the Second Great War of 1938-1950 through his tendency to leave field headquarters with a scoped Modelyr 1917 rifle (http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k337/Knight_of_Zero/Mlyr1917/Mlyr1917R41v2SNIPER.png) and pick off enemies in the middle of a battle. Credited with well over 800 kills, though the actual figure most likely rests at about 450.

When was sniping first used in your military?: The late 1700s, with the formation of Skirmisher groups during the military reformation of that era.

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Postby YellowApple » Wed May 18, 2011 11:16 pm

Anemos Major wrote:What guns do they use?
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Squad level marksmen use the AR3R1/mod sF2.

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The most common precision rifle is the SR10 .338 Precision Rifle, issued with the ICO-L 4-12x Long Range Scope.

(Image)
It has also been rechambered as a .50 rifle, which is also used in a more limited capacity.

What is their training?: This depends on the sniper school they attend. Camouflage, fieldcraft, and shooting technique (shots between heartbeats) are all taught, but some schools go further with their training.

What is their role in your overall doctrine?: Support. They're generally included in a separate hierarchy at the Battalion level upwards, and they're assigned to various tasks at the discretion of the Battalion commander. They aid in the elimination of hostile leaders and communications assets, and provide support fire to Army units in combat situations, picking off priority targets like other marksmen, machine-guns and anti-armour teams, amongst many things. Furthermore, equipped with the .50, they take on anti-materiel and vehicle interdiction roles as well.

Other forces use them for other purposes (i.e. Army Special Forces for 'hunting' operations, and the DES for assassination), but that's not a component of official doctrine per se.

Who are some famous snipers?: Sword Sergeant Tolyr Ifameis, who achieved 280 kills during his time in Asakura between 2005 and 2011 with a number of different weapons, including the longest range rifle kill in Anemonian history at 2,780m with the SR10 .338 in 2011.
Major Ilemeren Fesantyr, The Gentleman Officer, who became famous in the Second Great War of 1938-1950 through his tendency to leave field headquarters with a scoped Modelyr 1917 rifle (http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k337/Knight_of_Zero/Mlyr1917/Mlyr1917R41v2SNIPER.png) and pick off enemies in the middle of a battle. Credited with well over 800 kills, though the actual figure most likely rests at about 450.

When was sniping first used in your military?: The late 1700s, with the formation of Skirmisher groups during the military reformation of that era.


I like the last one. The other two seem a bit short and underpowered for me, but that's just my take. What caliber is your AR3R1?

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Postby Anemos Major » Wed May 18, 2011 11:21 pm

YellowApple wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:What guns do they use?
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Squad level marksmen use the AR3R1/mod sF2.

(Image)
The most common precision rifle is the SR10 .338 Precision Rifle, issued with the ICO-L 4-12x Long Range Scope.

(Image)
It has also been rechambered as a .50 rifle, which is also used in a more limited capacity.

What is their training?: This depends on the sniper school they attend. Camouflage, fieldcraft, and shooting technique (shots between heartbeats) are all taught, but some schools go further with their training.

What is their role in your overall doctrine?: Support. They're generally included in a separate hierarchy at the Battalion level upwards, and they're assigned to various tasks at the discretion of the Battalion commander. They aid in the elimination of hostile leaders and communications assets, and provide support fire to Army units in combat situations, picking off priority targets like other marksmen, machine-guns and anti-armour teams, amongst many things. Furthermore, equipped with the .50, they take on anti-materiel and vehicle interdiction roles as well.

Other forces use them for other purposes (i.e. Army Special Forces for 'hunting' operations, and the DES for assassination), but that's not a component of official doctrine per se.

Who are some famous snipers?: Sword Sergeant Tolyr Ifameis, who achieved 280 kills during his time in Asakura between 2005 and 2011 with a number of different weapons, including the longest range rifle kill in Anemonian history at 2,780m with the SR10 .338 in 2011.
Major Ilemeren Fesantyr, The Gentleman Officer, who became famous in the Second Great War of 1938-1950 through his tendency to leave field headquarters with a scoped Modelyr 1917 rifle (http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k337/Knight_of_Zero/Mlyr1917/Mlyr1917R41v2SNIPER.png) and pick off enemies in the middle of a battle. Credited with well over 800 kills, though the actual figure most likely rests at about 450.

When was sniping first used in your military?: The late 1700s, with the formation of Skirmisher groups during the military reformation of that era.


I like the last one. The other two seem a bit short and underpowered for me, but that's just my take. What caliber is your AR3R1?


SR10 .338 and .50 have the exact same barrel length, mate... :-/
The only difference is the muzzle brake on the .50, which, together with the hydraulic buffer, soaks up some of the recoil.

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Postby Sciox » Thu May 19, 2011 12:43 am

There are three distinct groups, so to speak, of snipers in the Sciox military.

The first a fire-team level designated marksman who use the SLS-8 rifle, an ICR-8 assault rifle modified to fire a caseless version of the .418 Barrett round. They are trained to provide support for their squad as their sergeant dictates, although standard doctrine states that a squad level marksman should hang back to cover his comrades as they advance.

The second group is scout-snipers who operate as part of a marine battalion's support company. Typically they operate in two man teams and are equipped with the SLS-8 for extended range engagements, normally against targets such as fuel and ammunition dumps, enemy officers and light vehicles.

And the third group are members of the Ranger Corps's rover companies. Trained to operate behind enemy lines and attack targets of opportunity without support they are nearly the only units in the Sciox military that make use of the large XSWS 30mm anti-material sniper rifle, which has proved particularly useful on desert battlefields, where squads of Rangers can use it to reach out and disable everything from tank platoons to enemy mechanised companies at huge ranges.
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Postby Kelvaros Prime » Thu May 19, 2011 1:23 am

Some Geth Prime are considered Elite Snipers and use Modified Geth Pulse Rifles
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Postby Augustivia » Thu May 19, 2011 3:50 am

The first appearance of men using their rifle for long range precision shots started back in the year 1801, during the first Borkian War. Precision teams were sent to the mountainous region in between Borkia and Augustivia and used to cut of their supplies going through the Borkia pass. Now snipers are present in all branches of the armed forces except the air force. Their training comes after basic and then they learn the skills of superior marksmen as well as how to stay hidden. The Legion (Augustivian Special Forces Branch) has the top 30 snipers in their ranks. The most famous sniper is Richard Johnson, during the Augustine Civil War the city of Fredricks was in complete ruin and most units from were disbanded. He stayed and took out 90% of the occupation forces in the city including many officers single handed with no support. He was honored in the Civil War Museum in August in the exhibit for The Battle Of Fredricks. He is now 62 years old and retired in his home in Oldsville.

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