Is School Slavery With Benifits?

[Keronians]

Lower teens perhaps. The sort of 16+ types like myself don't tend to post "Sch00l is bad and liek slavrey becos it s pointless and wasting my time when I could be doing better stuff!."

I love school and I would never write like that. I'm a national spelling bee champion, an honour roll student and a proud grammar nazi. I'm also a "lower teen". Don't discriminate based on age, thanks.

So you've been playing this game since before you were 10? That's surprising.

And, yeah, it's stereotyping. Everybody gets something from it. That's the good bit. An American calls me an ignorant surfer, I call him a retard whose favourite word is "SOCIALISM!!!". An Irishman tells me I should be considered African, I say he should go back to the pub. And it goes on.

[Risottia]

...love pi, or pie. I mean, or die. ...Can I guess again? No? Oh well.

Try again...

Attending school earns you a couple of lightsabers?

[Geniasis]

Universal education is a necessary condition for a free society. Which is why it is mandated.

No, it isn't.
It is damn pointless. You force someone who doesn't want to go to school, they wont learn they will just hamper rest of class and use resorces which could be better used on other students.

No, the alternative is far worse. There's a reason it was made mandatory in the first place.

[Izarius]

Decide wether or not School is like slavery. I consider it to be one myself, just Im paying them in taxes. Please reply.

Wether schooling is slavery or not, you need more of it.

[The Norwegian Blue]

A Helpful Guide For People Thinking of Comparing Something To Slavery

Please answer the following questions about the thing which you intend to compare to slavery.

1. Does it involve you physically being bought and sold for money?

2. Did anyone strip you naked, put you on a block, and force you to stand there while people inspected you to determine how much money you were worth?

3. Did it involve you being violently kidnapped from your home?

4. Has it ever put you in chains?

5. Does it rape you?

6. Does it threaten to kill you if you disobey?

7. How about your family? Does it threaten to kill them?

8. Does it force you to engage in strenuous physical labor for hours on end, and beat you if you so much as try to rest?

9. Does it leave you in constant fear of your life?

10. If you get pregnant, does it take your children away and sell them?

11. Is it almost unimaginably more awful than having to do your pre-algebra homework?

If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations! Your comparison is a ridiculous piece of hyperbole!

[Georgism]

Universal education is a necessary condition for a free society. Which is why it is mandated.

No, it isn't.
It is damn pointless. You force someone who doesn't want to go to school, they wont learn they will just hamper rest of class and use resorces which could be better used on other students.

They will learn eventually just by absorbing things from their environment.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Try again...

Attending school earns you a couple of lightsabers?

No Watson. Try one more time.

[Great Nepal]

No, it isn't.
It is damn pointless. You force someone who doesn't want to go to school, they wont learn they will just hamper rest of class and use resorces which could be better used on other students.

They will learn eventually just by absorbing things from their environment.

You mean by chatting about having a cup of coffee in maths lesson?

[Georgism]

A Helpful Guide For People Thinking of Comparing Something To Slavery

Please answer the following questions about the thing which you intend to compare to slavery.

1. Does it involve you physically being bought and sold for money?

2. Did anyone strip you naked, put you on a block, and force you to stand there while people inspected you to determine how much money you were worth?

3. Did it involve you being violently kidnapped from your home?

4. Has it ever put you in chains?

5. Does it rape you?

6. Does it threaten to kill you if you disobey?

7. How about your family? Does it threaten to kill them?

8. Does it force you to engage in strenuous physical labor for hours on end, and beat you if you so much as try to rest?

9. Does it leave you in constant fear of your life?

10. If you get pregnant, does it take your children away and sell them?

11. Is it almost unimaginably more awful than having to do your pre-algebra homework?

If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations! Your comparison is a ridiculous piece of hyperbole!

Saved for future use.

[Trotskylvania]

Universal education is a necessary condition for a free society. Which is why it is mandated.

No, it isn't.
It is damn pointless. You force someone who doesn't want to go to school, they wont learn they will just hamper rest of class and use resorces which could be better used on other students.

There has never been a single society that had any kind of free political system that didn't have universal education. Any society that doesn't educate all its citizens has failed them. Without that education, you cannot function in society. Which is why adolescents or their parents don't get the choice to opt out, any more than they can opt their children out of necessary medical care.

[Georgism]

You mean by chatting about having a cup of coffee in maths lesson?

Notice how even the chaviest chavs with total disdain for education can read and write well enough to fill out their own tax returns, or read the Sun.

[Ifreann]

I'm kinda fed up of people arguing that any curtailment of their liberty, however easily justifiable, is 'slavery'. Clearly there's a sexy party in the hyperbole-mobile and I wasn't invited.

Sexiest party in the fucking history of the universe.

[Great Nepal]

You mean by chatting about having a cup of coffee in maths lesson?

Notice how even the chaviest chavs with total disdain for education can read and write well enough to fill out their own tax returns, or read the Sun.

I am sure they could do it as they go through their life. They dont need to school and chat about coffee in maths lesson to do that.

[Great Nepal]

No, it isn't.
It is damn pointless. You force someone who doesn't want to go to school, they wont learn they will just hamper rest of class and use resorces which could be better used on other students.

There has never been a single society that had any kind of free political system that didn't have universal education. Any society that doesn't educate all its citizens has failed them. Without that education, you cannot function in society. Which is why adolescents or their parents don't get the choice to opt out, any more than they can opt their children out of necessary medical care.

If they dont care about their education then its their own fault. They cant function in society, whose fault is it that they couldn't be bothered to learn?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

There has never been a single society that had any kind of free political system that didn't have universal education. Any society that doesn't educate all its citizens has failed them. Without that education, you cannot function in society. Which is why adolescents or their parents don't get the choice to opt out, any more than they can opt their children out of necessary medical care.

If they dont care about their education then its their own fault. They cant function in society, whose fault is it that they couldn't be bothered to learn?

Did you actually read Trotskylvania's post or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

[Trotskylvania]

Notice how even the chaviest chavs with total disdain for education can read and write well enough to fill out their own tax returns, or read the Sun.

I am sure they could do it as they go through their life. They dont need to school and chat about coffee in maths lesson to do that.

You're awfully insistent about this chatting about coffee in math class. So I guess, because one person pissed you off, you, in your infinite wisdom, will ignore all of recorded history and insist that the filthy lumpens don't deserve an education.

[Georgism]

I am sure they could do it as they go through their life.

I'm not.

They dont need to school and chat about coffee in maths lesson to do that.

[Great Nepal]

You're awfully insistent about this chatting about coffee in math class. So I guess, because one person pissed you off, you, in your infinite wisdom, will ignore all of recorded history and insist that the filthy lumpens don't deserve an education.

coffee in maths class was an phrase I used to refer to unrelated chatting in class.

I never said they dont deserve education, if they want to get education: then it should be free. If they dont however, they shouldn't be forced to either.

[Geniasis]

I am sure they could do it as they go through their life.

And yet this was not the case before education was made mandatory.

They dont need to school and chat about coffee in maths lesson to do that.

Enough with your coffee fetish, already. Jesus, I'm from Seattle and even I think it's getting a bit ridiculous.

[Izarius]

I am sure they could do it as they go through their life. They dont need to school and chat about coffee in maths lesson to do that.

You're awfully insistent about this chatting about coffee in math class. So I guess, because one person pissed you off, you, in your infinite wisdom, will ignore all of recorded history and insist that the filthy lumpens don't deserve an education.

I have no sympathy for lumpen scum who are class-traitors to the proletariat.

[Bendira]

Public education is a prison. Anybody that says otherwise is a liar. It clearly is a prison, you cannot leave. Now whether it has benefits or not is the actual question, personally id say no. The education you receive in the classroom can be obtained at a library for virtually free, and even a better education at that. What you pay for with your taxes is the prison infrustructure to cage in all the kids pretty much.

[Trotskylvania]

Public education is a prison. Anybody that says otherwise is a liar. It clearly is a prison, you cannot leave. Now whether it has benefits or not is the actual question, personally id say no. The education you receive in the classroom can be obtained at a library for virtually free, and even a better education at that. What you pay for with your taxes is the prison infrustructure to cage in all the kids pretty much.

Oh boo hoo. Someone is making poor kids learn something useful for 8 hours a day. And regardless of what you think about being an autodidact, learning is much easier and more effective when it is guided by a trained educator.

[Neo-Sincostan]

You're awfully insistent about this chatting about coffee in math class. So I guess, because one person pissed you off, you, in your infinite wisdom, will ignore all of recorded history and insist that the filthy lumpens don't deserve an education.

I have no sympathy for lumpen scum who are class-traitors to the proletariat.

Lets be honest here, most neds (Chavs) don't really contribute to society much. They usually truant school and on the rare occassion that they do turn up they tend to... how to put it lightly? Fuck about.
Some do actually go on to get jobs, which is great. Some however, intentionally remain jobless and live off benefits. Even if they keep saying they want a job. They are a drain on society, in many, many ways. Y'know what I find hilarious is that these types of families are supposedly living in "poverty", yet manage to afford all manner of things, including widescreen TV's. That is not poverty. Yet my parents who actually work and earn "decent" wages seem to be worse off than these families. Whats going on here?
This is why I draw a line between working class and Ned culture, which I regard as some form of sub-society really.

[Conserative Morality]

No. Next question?

[Banold]

just Im paying them in taxes

Talk about slavery...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs&feature=player_embedded#at=209

Anything forced against your will, done w/o your consent, or made to happen via coercion is by definition, slavery.

Mandatory schooling is just like mandatory military service/conscription...