Grave_n_idle wrote:Marsini wrote:1. It is reckless to designate blame without evidence. Everybody was pissed when I said that it was an agent from Djbouti with the same amount of concrete evidence as they had. I expect reasonable standards other than the Tea Party motivated it because they said stuff.
I'm not designating blame without evidence. What I'm talking about is already a matter of public record (the rhetoric), and I'm not saying it forced an assailant to do anything.Marsini wrote:2. Palin isn't a governor anymore, she is a celebrity. I prefer her to the morons in hollywood who support Hugo Chavez. Bachmann isn't a mainstream Republican to my knowledge. She also took back the statements questioning Obama's patriotism- which is the worst thing I found in an immediate search. Why not attempt Michael Steele or Boehner?
3. Actually, it is relatively different. You would be explicitly advocating for me to murder myself. The Tea Party is using indirect rhetoric. Moral responsibility means that they did something directly and undeniably morally reprehensible. Telling somebody to die falls under such a definition. Warning that a revolution would occur if the people's rights were violated is not morally reprehensible- although I disagree with even saying it this early if at all- it simply isn't. The fact is to be morally reprehensible you would have had to have a hand in the crime or directly incited the crime. The legal standards are relatively effective when it comes to this.
Bachmann has called for "insurrection" against the GOP, said she wanted people "armed and dangerous" and said they needed to "fight back" when she disapproved of a tax plan... Sarah Palin told Americans "Dont' retreat, instead - RELOAD". This rhetoric is out there, and you can choose to pretend it's not, but you don't just get to deny it and have it go away.
The Explicit Proof Defense: We didn't straight out tell them to kill the opposition, so we're perfectly fine to say what we want, and we didn't play a damn part in provoking the shooter.