UK Politics Thread: The Mandelson Effect

[The Brass Union]

What is this gibberish?

Brass is a self-admitted fascist, just keep that in mind.

how 1. 2. when. 3. how does this have anything to do with this? 4. can you please stop just fucking lying to people to make you look good and others look bad?

[Vassenor]

Fascism, segregationists and other racists rely on binding the out-group to rules that do not bind the inner group, while rules are claimed to apply to everybody.

See: Israeli settler apartheid. Or homo- and transphobia. Or the erasure of Irish language teaching. Or anti-women's rights terror cells.
Or the rampant islamophobia (again, fostered by the apartheid state) and a lack of socioeconomic equality for all residents of Britain.

this is a British politics thread, not Israel bad thread. They aren't teaching it in ireland, not even in north Ireland, which again isn't UK politics, because it is a useless language that small fringe groups demanded be brought back from extinction for little reason other then "heritage." People learn it to graduate and then forget it. there is islamophobia because they let in millions of Muslims on indefinite stay from war torn countries at one point during the Arab spring and they still haven't gone home and they are rightfully upset. you have a good idea of exaggeration of things to suit your needs. great straw man I must admit.

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

[Cole Whyte-Gurney]

Time for a Dangerous Hamsters Act.

[The Brass Union]

you keep bringing that up, 60,000 is a fucking large number of a gene pool bro. animals being brought back from extincintion have gene pool sizes in the double digits, that are already inbred. if half of them don't bred the half that don't together to get a new gen of different DNA and with mix with that other dog. They clearly are well enough to live and re produce. People still get pugs even though they are a freak of nature and deserve to die because their genetics are more cooked then this. with responsible breeding this is very easy to turn around, which I have given and proposed solutions that you have dismissed.

"Starting about 7,000 years ago, something weird seems to have happened to men: Over the next two millennia, recent studies suggest, their genetic diversity – specifically, the diversity of their Y chromosomes – collapsed. So extreme was that collapse that it was as if there were only one man left to mate for every 17 women."
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2018/05/war-clan-structure-explain-odd-biological-event

We survived with a 95% taper, why can't this dog with a 50% one, and we know about proper eugenics as well!

I'm not going to get into the discussion of XL bullies; that's not a topic I have much interest in.

However, the comparison here is flawed because you've misunderstood the palaeoanthropology of the Neolithic Y-chromosome bottleneck. Recent analysis suggests that the bottleneck was caused by a cultural shift from hunter gatherer societies to farming communities. Males in the latter were simply more simply more successful in passing on genetic material than the former. Also note that the Neolithic Y-chromosome bottleneck doesn't mean that human males were suddenly reduced to only a couple of breeding specimens. There still would have been significant numbers of human males successfully reproducing with human females across a geographically widespread area; it's just that one subgroup was more successful than others. It's a completely different situation than the one Notorious Mad Jack is outlining.

A far more serious palaeonthropoligical bottleneck for hominids seems to have happened, incidentally, in the transition from austrolopithecenes to early hominids. The reasons for this are far more controversial than they are for the Neolithic Y-chromosome bottleneck, but at one point the hominid population may have fallen as low as c.2000 individuals, all in Africa.

For what it's worth, you would be better off using bison or hamsters to make your point. All current European bison are descended from just a couple of dozen individuals held in German parks (which is indeed causing some significant genetic problems for the species). The situation with North American bison is more complex, but see the Texas State Bison Herd (descended from just 5 individuals) and the Yellowstone National Bark herd (descended from 25 individuals); though in both cases external bison have since been introduced to help avoid exctinction. And hamsters? Every single domestic pet golden hamster is descended from a single female and litter found in Aleppo, Syria in 1930.

Ah ok, I was wondering about that, and that is pretty interesting about the bision and how they have made a small return. It is sad that they may not roam these great plans again.

[The Brass Union]

this is a British politics thread, not Israel bad thread. They aren't teaching it in ireland, not even in north Ireland, which again isn't UK politics, because it is a useless language that small fringe groups demanded be brought back from extinction for little reason other then "heritage." People learn it to graduate and then forget it. there is islamophobia because they let in millions of Muslims on indefinite stay from war torn countries at one point during the Arab spring and they still haven't gone home and they are rightfully upset. you have a good idea of exaggeration of things to suit your needs. great straw man I must admit.

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

I mean the UK also banned social media and is trying to ban VPNs and already banned pornographic material, under a labor prime minister and government, ts is the shit I would expect out of Boris johnson or a Tory.

[Herargon]

Fascism, segregationists and other racists rely on binding the out-group to rules that do not bind the inner group, while rules are claimed to apply to everybody.

See: Israeli settler apartheid. Or homo- and transphobia. Or the erasure of Irish language teaching. Or anti-women's rights terror cells.
Or the rampant islamophobia (again, fostered by the apartheid state) and a lack of socioeconomic equality for all residents of Britain.

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

Snipped his quote. Just fyi, Brass is a self-admitted fascist. There's no point in arguing with them, as they never will try to understand the other, socialist and communist perspective, or even that of other normal people.

Let it be said once more: the UK colonised a lot of Muslim countries and was directly responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israel. Those Palestinians then fled to the UK.

Regardless of whether one doesn't want Muslims in the UK, it is thus: one must criticise Israel's far-right settler apartheid and the British politicians responsible for Sykes-Picot. Those were a large factor in creating the current conflicts in the Middle East, and set the stage for humans having to flee their homes to find a safe place in the West.

[The Brass Union]

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

Snipped his quote. Just fyi, Brass is a self-admitted fascist.

again, any proof of it?

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

I mean the UK also banned social media

No it didn't.

and is trying to ban VPNs

No it isn't.

and already banned pornographic material

No it didn't

under a labor prime minister and government, ts is the shit I would expect out of Boris johnson or a Tory.

The OSA did pass under a Tory.

[Velstrania]

this is a British politics thread, not Israel bad thread. They aren't teaching it in ireland, not even in north Ireland, which again isn't UK politics, because it is a useless language that small fringe groups demanded be brought back from extinction for little reason other then "heritage." People learn it to graduate and then forget it. there is islamophobia because they let in millions of Muslims on indefinite stay from war torn countries at one point during the Arab spring and they still haven't gone home and they are rightfully upset. you have a good idea of exaggeration of things to suit your needs. great straw man I must admit.

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

I'm no fan of the met police or any restrictions on free speech (at all) but when they receive new potentially criminal allegations they do have to investigate. That's part of their job. They can't just go 'oh these are quite similar we won't bother,' they've got to treat them as new allegations. I would personally prefer there to be nothing to investigate because so-called 'hate speech' wouldn't be against the law but sadly I'm not in government.

[NewAlbion]

So when is Richard Tice going to get pilloried in the press for his tax evasion like Angela Rayner did?

Or is it legal if you're one of Nigel's cronies?

Fascism, segregationists and other racists rely on binding the out-group to rules that do not bind the inner group, while rules are claimed to apply to everybody.

See: Israeli settler apartheid. Or homo- and transphobia. Or the erasure of Irish language teaching. Or anti-women's rights terror cells.
Or the rampant islamophobia (again, fostered by the apartheid state) and a lack of socioeconomic equality for all residents of Britain.

This is human nature, human nature is adamant on protecting your own people and ensuring they thrive in the long term.
LGBTQ is completely unacceptable not only on religious grounds but in the way it destroys the integrity of these particular groups.
In Christian nations, islam should be limited to private practice. Again, islamophobia is not an actual word.

[The Brass Union]

Fascism, segregationists and other racists rely on binding the out-group to rules that do not bind the inner group, while rules are claimed to apply to everybody.

See: Israeli settler apartheid. Or homo- and transphobia. Or the erasure of Irish language teaching. Or anti-women's rights terror cells.
Or the rampant islamophobia (again, fostered by the apartheid state) and a lack of socioeconomic equality for all residents of Britain.

This is human nature, human nature is adamant on protecting your own people and ensuring they thrive in the long term.
LGBTQ is completely unacceptable not only on religious grounds but in the way it destroys the integrity of these particular groups.
In Christian nations, islam should be limited to private practice. Again, islamophobia is not an actual word.

Oh brother I stand with you here but you are going to reported and banned ever so fast for saying it out loud.

[Neu California]

Fascism, segregationists and other racists rely on binding the out-group to rules that do not bind the inner group, while rules are claimed to apply to everybody.

See: Israeli settler apartheid. Or homo- and transphobia. Or the erasure of Irish language teaching. Or anti-women's rights terror cells.
Or the rampant islamophobia (again, fostered by the apartheid state) and a lack of socioeconomic equality for all residents of Britain.

LGBTQ is completely unacceptable not only on religious grounds but in the way it destroys the integrity of these particular groups.

I'll ignore the first part, because while I disagree fundamentally with how you interpret those words, that doesn't mean that the words themselves are wrong.

But on this, explain how that is true.

In Christian nations, islam should be limited to private practice. Again, islamophobia is not an actual word.

Islamophobia is in the Oxford English Dictionary and Merriam-Webster's English Dictionary, the two most authoritative dictionaries on the English language, so far as the English language is concerned it is absolutely a real word.

[Camtropia]

Fascism, segregationists and other racists rely on binding the out-group to rules that do not bind the inner group, while rules are claimed to apply to everybody.

See: Israeli settler apartheid. Or homo- and transphobia. Or the erasure of Irish language teaching. Or anti-women's rights terror cells.
Or the rampant islamophobia (again, fostered by the apartheid state) and a lack of socioeconomic equality for all residents of Britain.

This is human nature, human nature is adamant on protecting your own people and ensuring they thrive in the long term.
LGBTQ is completely unacceptable not only on religious grounds but in the way it destroys the integrity of these particular groups.
In Christian nations, islam should be limited to private practice. Again, islamophobia is not an actual word.

Or - hear me out here - we let people worship whatever they want to, and let consenting adults do whatever they like in the bedroom with other consenting adults. It's not hurting me, so why would I care?

under a labor prime minister and government, ts is the shit I would expect out of Boris johnson or a Tory.

The OSA did pass under a Tory.

And Labour had plenty of opportunities to cancel or repeal it, not double down on it.

Just fyi, Brass is a self-admitted fascist.

Just out of curiosity, I too would be interested to see the post where he states as such. Release the Brass files!

[Ifreann]

this is a British politics thread, not Israel bad thread. They aren't teaching it in ireland, not even in north Ireland, which again isn't UK politics, because it is a useless language that small fringe groups demanded be brought back from extinction for little reason other then "heritage." People learn it to graduate and then forget it. there is islamophobia because they let in millions of Muslims on indefinite stay from war torn countries at one point during the Arab spring and they still haven't gone home and they are rightfully upset. you have a good idea of exaggeration of things to suit your needs. great straw man I must admit.

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

Haha, what? They're still going after Bob Vylan?

[NewAlbion]

LGBTQ is completely unacceptable not only on religious grounds but in the way it destroys the integrity of these particular groups.

I'll ignore the first part, because while I disagree fundamentally with how you interpret those words, that doesn't mean that the words themselves are wrong.

But on this, explain how that is true.

In Christian nations, islam should be limited to private practice. Again, islamophobia is not an actual word.

Islamophobia is in the Oxford English Dictionary and Merriam-Webster's English Dictionary, the two most authoritative dictionaries on the English language, so far as the English language is concerned it is absolutely a real word.

Homosexuals can be free to do what they want in their private lives; I do not care. But it is when they do things in public that it is deeply unsettling and disturbing. I find it uncanny, and many others do as well. Not to mention its obsession with indoctrinating the education system.
Transgenderism, I believe, should not be allowed, at any age, given the suicide rates of these people and the general correlations with bad mental states. This, aside from the fact that it is simply incorrect from a biological perspective.
I desire mandatory services and Christian upbringings. False faiths should be allowed to be practised privately, though I desire a Christian state and rule of law.

[Ifreann]

Amazing, this dude is actually afraid of gay people.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

OK then.

So let's talk about the Met Police relitigating the Bob Vylan investigation despite being told there was no case to answer because they cannot allow public criticism of the Israeli government.

Haha, what? They're still going after Bob Vylan?

Less "still" and more "investigating a new complaint", which they're required to do regardless of how stupid it might be.

[Cole Whyte-Gurney]

I just saw a rabbit attack a deer. Some sort of omen I expect.

[Ifreann]

Haha, what? They're still going after Bob Vylan?

Less "still" and more "investigating a new complaint", which they're required to do regardless of how stupid it might be.

I guess someone hadn't heard it didn't work last time they were reported for this.

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I just saw a rabbit attack a deer. Some sort of omen I expect.

Beware the Ides of March.

[Vassenor]

Injuries, blown tyres and repair bills - frustration over 'spike' in potholes

While the article itself is Wales-centric this is something I've noticed a lot round my way too, to the point where I'm worried there's either going to be a crash because someone hit one or because of the evasive action they had to take to avoid them.

Maybe if councils spent less money on flags and more money on road repairs we wouldn't be in this mess.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Injuries, blown tyres and repair bills - frustration over 'spike' in potholes

While the article itself is Wales-centric this is something I've noticed a lot round my way too, to the point where I'm worried there's either going to be a crash because someone hit one or because of the evasive action they had to take to avoid them.

Maybe if councils spent less money on flags and more money on road repairs we wouldn't be in this mess.

It's been a problem in my non-flag shagging area for about half a decade, so I'm not sure flags are the problem here.

The problem here is that councils have been increasingly asked to do more stuff for less money over the last 16 years.

[Tyson Fury]

i literally dont care though its shite. its for toffs

rugby league is where its at

Rugby league is awful lol. All the tedium of American Football with none of the entertainment. And they relegated a team for not having enough fans on social media. Fake sport.

Lol youre just mad that rugby league is actually working class and entertaining unlike the crap union.

Rugby union had to copy rugby league's strategy to even stay relevant lol

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Rugby league is awful lol. All the tedium of American Football with none of the entertainment. And they relegated a team for not having enough fans on social media. Fake sport.

Lol youre just mad that rugby league is actually working class and entertaining unlike the crap union.

Rugby union had to copy rugby league's strategy to even stay relevant lol

So entertaining you don't have an audience south of Warrington or north of York. Mass appeal sport right now. Actual working class sports are played across the country, not just in one area.

[Tyson Fury]

Lol youre just mad that rugby league is actually working class and entertaining unlike the crap union.

Rugby union had to copy rugby league's strategy to even stay relevant lol

So entertaining you don't have an audience south of Warrington or north of York. Mass appeal sport right now. Actual working class sports are played across the country, not just in one area.

Anything south of Birmingham is irrelevant in britain

Rugby league dominates Australia too

So i guess according to you Manchester Darts isnt actual working class since its only played in one area

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

So entertaining you don't have an audience south of Warrington or north of York. Mass appeal sport right now. Actual working class sports are played across the country, not just in one area.

Anything south of Birmingham is irrelevant in britain

Fucking lol.

Rugby league dominates Australia too

Aussie football dominates Australia.

So i guess according to you Manchester Darts isnt actual working class since its only played in one area

Darts is played everywhere and the PDC is based in Essex lol.