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Postby Rayneia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:30 pm

Caribbia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is all totally hypocritical of you.

Yet you're ok with what ICE is doing for clearly racist reasons and because you believe outright lies.

Again, to reiterate, this is nothing to do with race. You are the one who keeps bringing it up and insisting it plays a major factor. Black Americans in America are Americans too, you know? So why would the average black person be targeted and suspected of being an illegal. NO REASON! Which is exactly why race is so irrelevant here

So why are many African Americans being specifically targeted alongside *the more targeted Hispanic Americans?
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Postby Caribbia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Caribbia wrote:You keep bringing these same points up? As if you trying to get a reaction out of me or something that you're just not getting? What is it you're trying to do exactly? These are three isolated incidents in a country of over 340,000,000 million people.


The contortions you go through are fascinating.

It’s ongoing as the Gestapo has increase their violence levels.

I am curious as to how you find it ok for these incidents?

You must be mad if you think I think these things are "ok." I never said that. They're not okay. But they're isolated incidents. This is not widespread, and even with the best of intentions, tragic and unforgivable mistakes such as these can and will occur in isolation.
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Postby I S T O » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:31 pm

Caribbia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is all totally hypocritical of you.

Yet you're ok with what ICE is doing for clearly racist reasons and because you believe outright lies.

Again, to reiterate, this is nothing to do with race. You are the one who keeps bringing it up and insisting it plays a major factor. Black Americans in America are Americans too, you know? So why would the average black person be targeted and suspected of being an illegal. NO REASON! Which is exactly why race is so irrelevant here

There are more races to be racist towards other that "white" and "black". ICE is racist towards predominantly Hispanics
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:31 pm

Caribbia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is all totally hypocritical of you.

Yet you're ok with what ICE is doing for clearly racist reasons and because you believe outright lies.

Again, to reiterate, this is nothing to do with race. You are the one who keeps bringing it up and insisting it plays a major factor. Black Americans in America are Americans too, you know? So why would the average black person be targeted and suspected of being an illegal. NO REASON! Which is exactly why race is so irrelevant here


Yet that's what has happened and you refuse to accept it. They have targeted anyone non white. Any non white person working for ICE should be ashamed of themselves.

Going to door to door is a violation of the fourth amendment.
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Postby Caribbia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:35 pm

Rayneia wrote:
Caribbia wrote:Again, to reiterate, this is nothing to do with race. You are the one who keeps bringing it up and insisting it plays a major factor. Black Americans in America are Americans too, you know? So why would the average black person be targeted and suspected of being an illegal. NO REASON! Which is exactly why race is so irrelevant here

So why are many African Americans being specifically targeted alongside *the more targeted Hispanic Americans?

I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted
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- Other interests include linguistics, geopolitics, maps, basically any sport, and of course devouring Mrs Balls Chutney!
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:36 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Rayneia wrote:So why are many African Americans being specifically targeted alongside *the more targeted Hispanic Americans?

I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted


Not yet you haven't.

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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:37 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Rayneia wrote:So why are many African Americans being specifically targeted alongside *the more targeted Hispanic Americans?

I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted

oh, a singular anecdote. well that'll definitely debunk all the reports of ICE arresting american citizens! genius!

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:37 pm

Caribbia wrote:
I have a genuine question for you though - why do you think they're racist? I noticed this a lot with people who aren't that well informed about American politics, they seem to believe Trump and republicans in general are "racist" and democrats are not, when in reality it's the complete opposite way around. I bet you can't quote one quote spoken by President Trump that is objectively racist - because there isn't one!


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1989:
"Who the fuck knows? I mean, really, who knows how much the Japs will pay for Manhattan property these days?"
"A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market…"

~1991:
"I have black guys counting my money. I hate it. The only guys I want counting my money are the short guys who wear yarmulkes all day. [...] I think that the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe it. It's not something they can control...Don't you agree?"

2013:
"Sadly, the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our major cities is committed by blacks and hispanics-a tough subject-must be discussed."
"I promise you that I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz - I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow. Who, by the way, is totally overrated."

2015:
"You just like me because my daughter happens to be Jewish... I'm a negotiator like you folks", to the republican jewish coalition
"I have a great relationship with the blacks. I've always had a great relationship with the blacks."
"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists."

2016:
"We've just seen many, many crimes getting worse all the time, and as Maine knows—a major destination for Somali refugees—right, am I right?"
"Let me just tell you, I’ve had horrible rulings, I’ve been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I’m building a wall, OK? I’m building a wall.", referring to judge gonzalo curiel

2017:
"They all have AIDS", referring to haitian immigrants
"[Once they see America,] they'll never want to go back to their huts", referring to nigerians
"You also had very fine people on both sides", referring to both neo-nazis and anti-fascist protestors after the unite the right rally

2018:
"Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?"

2019:
"So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......"

2024:
"How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States. You know now a murder, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now."
"Migrants are poisoning the blood of this country."
"Migrants are destroying the guts of this country."
"In Springfield, [Haitian immigrants are] eating the dogs. The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets of the people that live there."

2026:
"[The Civil Rights Act led to] white people being very badly treated."

he also owns a book of hitler's speeches. make of that what you will.
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Postby Caribbia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Caribbia wrote:Again, to reiterate, this is nothing to do with race. You are the one who keeps bringing it up and insisting it plays a major factor. Black Americans in America are Americans too, you know? So why would the average black person be targeted and suspected of being an illegal. NO REASON! Which is exactly why race is so irrelevant here


Yet that's what has happened and you refuse to accept it. They have targeted anyone non white. Any non white person working for ICE should be ashamed of themselves.

Going to door to door is a violation of the fourth amendment.

Again, "any non-white person working for ICE should be ashamed of themselves" is a racist thing to say. Why should nonwhites be ashamed of themselves for doing the same job as a white? See you're bringing race into this and if we all just learned to be, not racially blind, but racially indifferent, this country would be much more unified culturally.
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I'm a dual American-South African citizen, born and raised in the great state of AZ to South African parents! I love the outdoors, safaris, cooking, baking, braaiing, you get the gist - Currently based between Phoenix and the Western Cape, SA.
- Other interests include linguistics, geopolitics, maps, basically any sport, and of course devouring Mrs Balls Chutney!
- Proud Scorpio
- Go dbacks, go cards!
- Politically as centrist as can be
- Don't know how to work with computers, maybe I'm too old-fashioned for this modern age
- I can speak English, ek kan ook Afrikaans praat, et je parle aussi un peu français
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Postby Caribbia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Caribbia wrote:I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted


Not yet you haven't.

And i won't be. Because I was born and raised in this country and have been an american citizen from birth.
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I'm a dual American-South African citizen, born and raised in the great state of AZ to South African parents! I love the outdoors, safaris, cooking, baking, braaiing, you get the gist - Currently based between Phoenix and the Western Cape, SA.
- Other interests include linguistics, geopolitics, maps, basically any sport, and of course devouring Mrs Balls Chutney!
- Proud Scorpio
- Go dbacks, go cards!
- Politically as centrist as can be
- Don't know how to work with computers, maybe I'm too old-fashioned for this modern age
- I can speak English, ek kan ook Afrikaans praat, et je parle aussi un peu français
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Postby Rayneia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:39 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Rayneia wrote:So why are many African Americans being specifically targeted alongside *the more targeted Hispanic Americans?

I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted

But the family whose 6 children were tear-gassed have
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:39 pm

Caribbia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yet that's what has happened and you refuse to accept it. They have targeted anyone non white. Any non white person working for ICE should be ashamed of themselves.

Going to door to door is a violation of the fourth amendment.

Again, "any non-white person working for ICE should be ashamed of themselves" is a racist thing to say. Why should nonwhites be ashamed of themselves for doing the same job as a white? See you're bringing race into this and if we all just learned to be, not racially blind, but racially indifferent, this country would be much more unified culturally.


Because they are targeting their own people.

Ice agents are racist thugs and every single one of them should be denied their paychecks. I hope the agency spending bill doesn;t pass and it remains closed for months. force everyone there to quit.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:40 pm

Caribbia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Not yet you haven't.

And i won't be. Because I was born and raised in this country and have been an american citizen from birth.


Have you missed the part where citizens have been targeted systematically for the crime of being black or brown?

If it was up to me id fire every single ice agent tomorrow.

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Postby Adamede » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:40 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Caribbia wrote:Explain then to me how Trump won the popular vote?


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He still hasn’t told me how Trump was the better candidate either.

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Postby I S T O » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:41 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Rayneia wrote:So why are many African Americans being specifically targeted alongside *the more targeted Hispanic Americans?

I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted

And I've never been shot by a gun before and never been to France, so neither of those things exist right?
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Postby Adamede » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:42 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Rayneia wrote:So why are many African Americans being specifically targeted alongside *the more targeted Hispanic Americans?

I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted

What kind of African American?

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:44 pm

Caribbia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Not yet you haven't.

And i won't be. Because I was born and raised in this country and have been an american citizen from birth.

Go back and read my links before you say that again. And I mean thoroughly read them. Because yes, they have targeted African-American people who were simply passing by, and they have refused to take people seriously when they claim to be citizens.
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Postby Caribbia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:46 pm

Adamede wrote:
Caribbia wrote:I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted

What kind of African American?

An African, African-American. What do you mean? My parents are both South African, whose ancestors lived in South Africa since way before the US even existed. In fact, white settlers came to 8 of the 9 South African provinces before the first black South Africans. So if anything my parents are more African than your average black South African, or more South African at least.
I don't see how you can imply we're any less African because we're white?
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I'm a dual American-South African citizen, born and raised in the great state of AZ to South African parents! I love the outdoors, safaris, cooking, baking, braaiing, you get the gist - Currently based between Phoenix and the Western Cape, SA.
- Other interests include linguistics, geopolitics, maps, basically any sport, and of course devouring Mrs Balls Chutney!
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- Go dbacks, go cards!
- Politically as centrist as can be
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- I can speak English, ek kan ook Afrikaans praat, et je parle aussi un peu français
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Postby I S T O » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:47 pm

Adamede wrote:
Caribbia wrote:I'm an African American and Ive never been targeted

What kind of African American?

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:47 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Adamede wrote:What kind of African American?

An African, African-American. What do you mean? My parents are both South African, whose ancestors lived in South Africa since way before the US even existed. In fact, white settlers came to 8 of the 9 South African provinces before the first black South Africans. So if anything my parents are more African than your average black South African, or more South African at least.
I don't see how you can imply we're any less African because we're white?

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Postby Caribbia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:47 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Caribbia wrote:And i won't be. Because I was born and raised in this country and have been an american citizen from birth.

Go back and read my links before you say that again. And I mean thoroughly read them. Because yes, they have targeted African-American people who were simply passing by.

Evidently there's some biased reporting going on here.. omission of important details. It is not human nature, let alone ICE nature, to attack randomly people passing by. You do realize that, right? :rofl:
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I'm a dual American-South African citizen, born and raised in the great state of AZ to South African parents! I love the outdoors, safaris, cooking, baking, braaiing, you get the gist - Currently based between Phoenix and the Western Cape, SA.
- Other interests include linguistics, geopolitics, maps, basically any sport, and of course devouring Mrs Balls Chutney!
- Proud Scorpio
- Go dbacks, go cards!
- Politically as centrist as can be
- Don't know how to work with computers, maybe I'm too old-fashioned for this modern age
- I can speak English, ek kan ook Afrikaans praat, et je parle aussi un peu français
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:47 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Adamede wrote:What kind of African American?

An African, African-American. What do you mean? My parents are both South African, whose ancestors lived in South Africa since way before the US even existed. In fact, white settlers came to 8 of the 9 South African provinces before the first black South Africans. So if anything my parents are more African than your average black South African, or more South African at least.
I don't see how you can imply we're any less African because we're white?

lmaooooooooooooo

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:48 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Adamede wrote:What kind of African American?

An African, African-American. What do you mean? My parents are both South African, whose ancestors lived in South Africa since way before the US even existed. In fact, white settlers came to 8 of the 9 South African provinces before the first black South Africans. So if anything my parents are more African than your average black South African, or more South African at least.
I don't see how you can imply we're any less African because we're white?


who cares? you defending an agent full of racist thugs and are clearly ok with everything they are doing because you believe outright lies.

If i was head id fire every fire every agent tomorrow.

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Postby Rayneia » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:48 pm

Caribbia wrote:
Adamede wrote:What kind of African American?

An African, African-American. What do you mean? My parents are both South African, whose ancestors lived in South Africa since way before the US even existed. In fact, white settlers came to 8 of the 9 South African provinces before the first black South Africans. So if anything my parents are more African than your average black South African, or more South African at least.
I don't see how you can imply we're any less African because we're white?

That's why you haven't been targeted lmao. They don't normally target white people
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