Terrorists Target Jews in Bondi- Iranians Allowed to protest

[Slembana]

A rabbi's car, decorated for Hanukkah, was fire-bombed outside his Melbourne home on Christmas.

Else-where in the Diaspora, most British Jews no longer see a future in the United Kingdom. We're quite literally being driven from the West by systematic terrorism and Antisemitism.

This makes me sad.

[Nea Skotia]

A rabbi's car, decorated for Hanukkah, was fire-bombed outside his Melbourne home on Christmas.

Else-where in the Diaspora, most British Jews no longer see a future in the United Kingdom. We're quite literally being driven from the West by systematic terrorism and Antisemitism.

This makes me sad.

Same.

[Frinor]

I don't think that we should be banning Pro-Palestinian protests. But these protestors should take it upon themselves to distance themselves from the rapid antisemites and terrorist supporters that often attend these rallies.

Why should this demand be tolerated and not the demand for Jews to go out of their way to distance themselves from the war crimes and genocide committed by Israel? Isn't this just another racist double standard? Both are entirely ridiculous demands in my opinion.

[Asukalia]

I don't think that we should be banning Pro-Palestinian protests. But these protestors should take it upon themselves to distance themselves from the rapid antisemites and terrorist supporters that often attend these rallies.

Why should this demand be tolerated and not the demand for Jews to go out of their way to distance themselves from the war crimes and genocide committed by Israel? Isn't this just another racist double standard? Both are entirely ridiculous demands in my opinion.

Lol, lmao even.

[Ifreann]

I wouldn't know the inner workings of your mind.

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Separate, yes, but operating on similar principles.


Ah, so your conception of rights is that they are time limited. You can have one protest a month, but no more. You can't have protests every week, that's much too much free speech.

No. You don't have the right to abuse the system. I don't know what is an acceptable limit, but every week for more than 2 years is ridiculous. And you deliberately ignoring all the context I have provided doesn't change that. Alternatively, if you do want to have a protest every week for two years, you can pay for a police presence out of your own pocket. And I don't care what your cause is. That should apply equally to every cause, even those that I actively support.

If you can only protest when the government gives you permission then you don't have the right to protest.

[Frinor]

Why should this demand be tolerated and not the demand for Jews to go out of their way to distance themselves from the war crimes and genocide committed by Israel? Isn't this just another racist double standard? Both are entirely ridiculous demands in my opinion.

Lol, lmao even.

So it is just a racist double standard through an implicit demand for special treatment.

[Adamede]

Why should this demand be tolerated and not the demand for Jews to go out of their way to distance themselves from the war crimes and genocide committed by Israel? Isn't this just another racist double standard? Both are entirely ridiculous demands in my opinion.

Lol, lmao even.

I mean it is a fair question to ask. Israel is being rightfully criticized and protested against for its actions. Just because anti-Semites are trying to push their bullshit doesn’t change that.

[Fahran]

I mean it is a fair question to ask. Israel is being rightfully criticized and protested against for its actions. Just because anti-Semites are trying to push their bullshit doesn’t change that.

I just want Islamists and Anti-Zionists to stop calling for and engaging in violence against Jews in random countries, honey.

In all seriousness, there's no real equivalence between Jews simply being Zionists and South Asian or Levantine Muslims supporting terrorism internationally. An equivalence would be if Jews began demonstrating outside of mosques on a weekly basis, declaring that we should internationalize the War on Terror, celebrating the murder of civilians in Palestine and the Diaspora, setting fire to mosques and vehicles, and committing terror attacks against Eid celebrations.

Mind you, given the inaction and enabling of numerous governments, we're likely going to increasingly see inter-communal violence aimed at Muslim communities. Muslim organizations in Australia are already sounding the alarm about vandalism of Muslim cemeteries, albeit half their rhetoric is aimed at protecting bad actors in their community who engage in incendiary and bigoted speech. The failure to curtail bad actors and prevent the normalization of communal violence and racism is going to lead to retaliation, not to mention violence and racism becoming unmanageable.

Governments weren't asked to suppress all pro-Palestinian activism or demonstrations. They've been asked to act against ideological extremists who have demonstrably made their citizens less safe. It's possible to distinguish between these groups and the refusal to do so endangers everybody.

[Frinor]

I mean it is a fair question to ask. Israel is being rightfully criticized and protested against for its actions. Just because anti-Semites are trying to push their bullshit doesn’t change that.

I just want Islamists and Anti-Zionists to stop calling for and engaging in violence against Jews in random countries, honey.

In all seriousness, there's no real equivalence between Jews simply being Zionists and South Asian or Levantine Muslims supporting terrorism internationally.

Yes, there is. Zionism is a genocidal terrorist ideology and movement at this point. You denying the equivalence and then painting the entire movement protesting that development as terrorist means you're just being anti-Arab and anti-Muslim.

[Fahran]

Yes, there is. Zionism is a genocidal terrorist ideology and movement at this point.

Zionism is simply Jewish nationalism. It is no more inherently rooted in genocide or terrorism than Palestinian nationalism, Uyghur nationalism, or Kurdish nationalism. Anti-Zionists attempting to redefine the term, with no genuine grasp on its history or the material conditions that led to its emergence, is a bit of nonsense that falls apart the minute you engage in any level of critical thinking. Jews are not obligated to denounce their own collective rights and existence to be entitled to the protection of the state. No more than any other group.

You denying the equivalence and then painting the entire movement protesting that development as terrorist means you're just being anti-Arab and anti-Muslim.

I'm both an Arabphile and an Islamophile. I have studied the poetry of the Jahiliyyah and the early Umayyad Caliphate at great length, expending hours and hours of my life to do so. I support the establishment of a fully realized Palestinian nation-state.

I simply have no patience for people who celebrate genocidal massacres, engage in routine and reflexive racism, and who have normalized stochastic and actual terrorism. As I said, I'm asking you to distinguish between Arabs and Muslims on the one hand and ideological extremists on the other. That you see no such distinction is rooted in your own bigotry, not mine.

[Adamede]

I mean it is a fair question to ask. Israel is being rightfully criticized and protested against for its actions. Just because anti-Semites are trying to push their bullshit doesn’t change that.

I just want Islamists and Anti-Zionists to stop calling for and engaging in violence against Jews in random countries, honey.

In all seriousness, there's no real equivalence between Jews simply being Zionists and South Asian or Levantine Muslims supporting terrorism internationally. An equivalence would be if Jews began demonstrating outside of mosques on a weekly basis, declaring that we should internationalize the War on Terror, celebrating the murder of civilians in Palestine and the Diaspora, setting fire to mosques and vehicles, and committing terror attacks against Eid celebrations.

Mind you, given the inaction and enabling of numerous governments, we're likely going to increasingly see inter-communal violence aimed at Muslim communities. Muslim organizations in Australia are already sounding the alarm about vandalism of Muslim cemeteries, albeit half their rhetoric is aimed at protecting bad actors in their community who engage in incendiary and bigoted speech. The failure to curtail bad actors and prevent the normalization of communal violence and racism is going to lead to retaliation, not to mention violence and racism becoming unmanageable.

Governments weren't asked to suppress all pro-Palestinian activism or demonstrations. They've been asked to act against ideological extremists who have demonstrably made their citizens less safe. It's possible to distinguish between these groups and the refusal to do so endangers everybody.

Given how many civilians have died in Palestine over the last few years and the number of people nothing and outside of Israel who continue to try and justify that there is some equivalence there like it or not. A lot of the support for Israel is relying on Islamophobia and appeals to neo-con ideals and Christian, largely Protestant, millennialism. I don’t oppose to existence of Israel however many Zionists I’ve come across continue to defend all of their actions in Gaza and the West Bank, which include things like killings of civilians and illegal settlements and occupations.

Violence from anti-Semites in the pro-Palestinian crowd doesn’t take away the right to criticize the blood thirsty in the Zionist camp. Neither party in this war is innocent, it’s just getting a bunch of innocent people in between killed, which is then used to justify further violence, and it’s spreading beyond the Levant.

[Adamede]

Queensland is refusing to change its gun laws.

For Americans Queensland is like Australia's Florida or Texas.

Still lekly to end up thing changed at the national level.

Will eh funny becuase Australia is commonly cited in North America by gun control advocates and so Oz banning a lot of hunting rifles and shotguns won’t be a good look for them.

[Frinor]

Yes, there is. Zionism is a genocidal terrorist ideology and movement at this point.

Zionism is simply Jewish nationalism.

No, it is not 'simply Jewish nationalism' with golus nationalism and yiddishism existing. Neither of those are guilty of the crime of genocide, while zionism is. Associating all Jewish nationalism with zionism when that is not the case is what you are doing and it is antisemitic. You are antisemitic for doing this.

t is no more inherently rooted in genocide or terrorism than Palestinian nationalism, Uyghur nationalism, or Kurdish nationalism.

Palestinian nationalists are not genociding the Jews, nor are Uyghur nationalists genociding the Han Chinese, nor are Kurdish nationalists genociding Arabs, Turks or Persians. Zionists are terrorizing, committing war crimes and genociding Palestinians.

I'm both an Arabphile and an Islamophile. I have studied the poetry of the Jahiliyyah and the early Umayyad Caliphate at great length, expending hours and hours of my life to do so.

Reading a lot does not exclude you from being anti-Muslim and anti-Arab racist.

I support the establishment of a fully realized Palestinian nation-state.

No, you don't. You call its supporters what its opponents are.

I simply have no patience for people who celebrate genocidal massacres, engage in routine and reflexive racism, and who have normalized stochastic and actual terrorism. As I said, I'm asking you to distinguish between Arabs and Muslims on the one hand and ideological extremists on the other. That you see no such distinction is rooted in your own bigotry, not mine.

Deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. Stop defending génocidaires.

[Fahran]

Violence from anti-Semites in the pro-Palestinian crowd doesn’t take away the right to criticize the blood thirsty in the Zionist camp. Neither party in this war is innocent, it’s just getting a bunch of innocent people in between killed, which is then used to justify further violence, and it’s spreading beyond the Levant.

Again, nobody has stated that we should entirely ban pro-Palestine demonstrations. The argument has been that we should begin acting against the normalization of violence and stochastic terrorism among ideological extremists present within the movement in the West because the alternative is that, eventually, Kahane's boys and white nationalists will do the job governments refuse to do and in a far messier and bloodier way.

I'm going to be blunt though. There's not really much equivalence between someone fundraising for the IDF and somebody calling for terrorist attacks in your own country. One is abstracted and related to a foreign war thousands of miles away. The other is going to eventually get your own citizens killed.

[Fahran]

Palestinian nationalists are not genociding the Jews, nor are Uyghur nationalists genociding the Han Chinese, nor are Kurdish nationalists genociding Arabs, Turks or Persians. Zionists are terrorizing, committing war crimes and genociding Palestinians.

Palestinian nationalists did, in fact, commit a genocide against Jews within the past three years and their Islamist and Anti-Zionist allies have murdered Jews multiple times. The current genocide against Palestinians is, to a significant extent, a response to said genocide of Jews. And I'm not going to get into the history of the various massacres Kurdish fighters have carried out.

Reading a lot does not exclude you from being anti-Muslim and anti-Arab racist.

If the sentiment that "I do not want Islamists murdering civilians in the Anglophone world" is anti-Muslim and anti-Arab, then everybody should be both of those things.

No, you don't. You call its supporters what its opponents are.

"no u" isn't a respectable argument. It's puerile.

I have articulated my position, both here and else-where, well enough that I cannot believe this is anything other than a deliberate mischaracterization intended to defend Antisemitic and pro-terror rhetoric from these movements.

Deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. Stop defending génocidaires.

There was no defense of genocidaires present in my argument at all. I condemned Antisemitism present within movements that you're currently attempting to pretend doesn't exist.

If standing with Palestine means normalizing violence against my own people, Palestine should be destroyed. Luckily, it doesn't mean that. It simply means telling violent racists to shut up and sit down or go to jail.

[Adamede]

Violence from anti-Semites in the pro-Palestinian crowd doesn’t take away the right to criticize the blood thirsty in the Zionist camp. Neither party in this war is innocent, it’s just getting a bunch of innocent people in between killed, which is then used to justify further violence, and it’s spreading beyond the Levant.

Again, nobody has stated that we should entirely ban pro-Palestine demonstrations. The argument has been that we should begin acting against the normalization of violence and stochastic terrorism among ideological extremists present within the movement in the West because the alternative is that, eventually, Kahane's boys and white nationalists will do the job governments refuse to do and in a far messier and bloodier way.

I'm going to be blunt though. There's not really much equivalence between someone fundraising for the IDF and somebody calling for terrorist attacks in your own country. One is abstracted and related to a foreign war thousands of miles away. The other is going to eventually get your own citizens killed.

Killing is killing. The IDF has its long list of civilians it has killed, literally all this looks like is that you’re fine with that so long as it’s far away from you.

I’m not a big fan of the pro-Palestinian movement for the reasons you said. Thing is you’re not offering any evidence for how the pro-Israel side is fundamentally any different, as you said the killing is just happening somewhere else.

[Fahran]

Killing is killing. The IDF has its long list of civilians it has killed, literally all this looks like is that you’re fine with that so long as it’s far away from you.

I'm more concerned, as most people are, with violence that occurs in my own backyard. Amusingly enough, when Anti-Zionists are challenged about their preoccupation with Israel over other genocidal regimes, they tend to make a similar argument. They care because it involves their community in some way.

I’m not a big fan of the pro-Palestinian movement for the reasons you said. Thing is you’re not offering any evidence for how the pro-Israel side is fundamentally any different, as you said the killing is just happening somewhere else.

Violence not occurring as frequently in the diaspora is a significant difference. Again, an equivalence would be Jewish extremists murdering Muslim children at an Eid celebration in Australia or routine demonstrations outside of mosques. Would either of those things be morally acceptable to you? Or would they warrant these excuses and whataboutisms? No, I think a responsible government would act to curtail such predations and put a halt to communal violence.

Mind you, if we want to emulate the violence present else-where in the world, failing to curtail it and globalizing the intifada is a wonderful way to get cafes and houses of worship going ka-boom in Sydney.

Seriously, we're better than this argument. Stop being Goofy in this skit.

[Adamede]

Killing is killing. The IDF has its long list of civilians it has killed, literally all this looks like is that you’re fine with that so long as it’s far away from you.

I'm more concerned, as most people are, with violence that occurs in my own backyard. Amusingly enough, when Anti-Zionists are challenged about their preoccupation with Israel over other genocidal regimes, they tend to make a similar argument. They care because it involves their community in some way.

I’m not a big fan of the pro-Palestinian movement for the reasons you said. Thing is you’re not offering any evidence for how the pro-Israel side is fundamentally any different, as you said the killing is just happening somewhere else.

Violence not occurring as frequently in the diaspora is a significant difference. Again, an equivalence would be Jewish extremists murdering Muslim children at an Eid celebration in Australia or routine demonstrations outside of mosques. Would either of those things be morally acceptable to you? Or would they warrant these excuses and whataboutisms? No, I think a responsible government would act to curtail such predations and put a halt to communal violence.

Mind you, if we want to emulate the violence present else-where in the world, failing to curtail it and globalizing the intifada is a wonderful way to get cafes and houses of worship going ka-boom in Sydney.

Seriously, we're better than this argument. Stop being Goofy in this skit.

Yah you seem to be arguing against something I never said. Don’t know if you’ve noticed but I have criticized Australia for failing to curtail Islamism and guns out of the hands of Islamists. However while I don’t want violence in my community I’m not going to try and purify it in others either. Doesn’t matter where it is. Again I’m not a fan of either side in this whole war or their supporters by and large. Muslims killing Jews in the west doesn’t justify Jews killing Muslims in the Levant. And neither sure as shit justifies banning protesting in our nations either. That’s not fighting extremism, that’s government overreaction at best or actively using tragedies to push authoritarian agendas.

If you wish o contour arguing with a strawman then that’s fine, but I’m not going to be here for it.

[Fahran]

Yah you seem to be arguing against something I never said. Don’t know if you’ve noticed but I have criticized Australia for failing to curtail Islamism and guns out of the hands of Islamists. However while I don’t want violence in my community I’m not going to try and purify it in others either. Doesn’t matter where it is. Again I’m not a fan of either side in this whole war or their supporters by and large. Muslims killing Jews in the west doesn’t justify Jews killing Muslims in the Levant. And neither sure as shit justifies banning protesting in our nations either. That’s not fighting extremism, that’s government overreaction at best or actively using tragedies to push authoritarian agendas.

If you wish o contour arguing with a strawman then that’s fine, but I’m not going to be here for it.

My apologies, but, if every conversation about Antisemitism or terrorism in the Diaspora must invariably be linked back to Israel, it does begin to feel as though "That's what they get for supporting Israel" is the argument being made. And it's an argument that isn't ever going to die regardless of who the victims are.

I took pains to differentiate the political behaviors I felt were problematic and driving growing Antisemitism, and I pointed out what I believe a genuine equivalence would be, namely routine demonstrations outside of mosques and celebrations of slain Muslims in Palestine. I would consider both such things to be Islamophobic and to potentially warrant government crackdowns, especially if they led to frequent terrorist attacks against the Muslim community in Australia.

I'm confused here because my argument, and the argument others made, wasn't that we should outright ban demonstrations in favor of Palestine or against Israel, but, rather, that we should curtail incendiary speech and deliberate harassment and, broadly, act to critique and destroy the culture of Antisemitism that has emerged in certain ethnic and sectarian communities - even as we seek to do that in society more broadly. The alternative is accepting that terrorism and ethnic/sectarian violence are a normal part of life now or are completely unrelated to underlying cultural issues.

[Adamede]

Yah you seem to be arguing against something I never said. Don’t know if you’ve noticed but I have criticized Australia for failing to curtail Islamism and guns out of the hands of Islamists. However while I don’t want violence in my community I’m not going to try and purify it in others either. Doesn’t matter where it is. Again I’m not a fan of either side in this whole war or their supporters by and large. Muslims killing Jews in the west doesn’t justify Jews killing Muslims in the Levant. And neither sure as shit justifies banning protesting in our nations either. That’s not fighting extremism, that’s government overreaction at best or actively using tragedies to push authoritarian agendas.

If you wish o contour arguing with a strawman then that’s fine, but I’m not going to be here for it.

My apologies, but, if every conversation about Antisemitism or terrorism in the Diaspora must invariably be linked back to Israel, it does begin to feel as though "That's what they get for supporting Israel" is the argument being made. And it's an argument that isn't ever going to die regardless of who the victims are.

I took pains to differentiate the political behaviors I felt were problematic and driving growing Antisemitism, and I pointed out what I believe a genuine equivalence would be, namely routine demonstrations outside of mosques and celebrations of slain Muslims in Palestine. I would consider both such things to be Islamophobic and to potentially warrant government crackdowns, especially if they led to frequent terrorist attacks against the Muslim community in Australia.

I'm confused here because my argument, and the argument others made, wasn't that we should outright ban demonstrations in favor of Palestine or against Israel, but, rather, that we should curtail incendiary speech and deliberate harassment and, broadly, act to critique and destroy the culture of Antisemitism that has emerged in certain ethnic and sectarian communities - even as we seek to do that in society more broadly. The alternative is accepting that terrorism and ethnic/sectarian violence are a normal part of life now or are completely unrelated to underlying cultural issues.

Yah you’re having a completely different conversation than I am then. Have fun with that.

[Asukalia]

Lol, lmao even.

So it is just a racist double standard through an implicit demand for special treatment.

Because Jews shouldn't need to go out of their way to distance themselves with Israel, because they're not explicitly linked.

The Pro-Palestine movement in Australia however often has literal terrorist, and people flying terrorist flags at their rallies. I'm not saying its wrong to protest Israel, but to welcome terrorists to your movement is heinous.

[Ifreann]

So it is just a racist double standard through an implicit demand for special treatment.

Because Jews shouldn't need to go out of their way to distance themselves with Israel, because they're not explicitly linked.

And yet Israel's intelligence service feels the need to involve themselves in this investigation. Perhaps the people who need the lecture on Jews not necessarily being Israeli is the Israeli government.

[San Lumen]

A rabbi's car, decorated for Hanukkah, was fire-bombed outside his Melbourne home on Christmas.

Else-where in the Diaspora, most British Jews no longer see a future in the United Kingdom. We're quite literally being driven from the West by systematic terrorism and Antisemitism.

This makes me very sad that people think anti semitism and hate is ok.

[Europa Undivided]

A rabbi's car, decorated for Hanukkah, was fire-bombed outside his Melbourne home on Christmas.

Else-where in the Diaspora, most British Jews no longer see a future in the United Kingdom. We're quite literally being driven from the West by systematic terrorism and Antisemitism.

Antisemites and antizionists just speed running in proving why Zionism was the correct path.

[The Republic of the United Marble Tribes]

A rabbi's car, decorated for Hanukkah, was fire-bombed outside his Melbourne home on Christmas.

Else-where in the Diaspora, most British Jews no longer see a future in the United Kingdom. We're quite literally being driven from the West by systematic terrorism and Antisemitism.

Antisemites and antizionists just speed running in proving why Zionism was the correct path.

Meanwhile Isr@*l having been bombing hospitals, killing innocent children and women, burning villages for the past more than 70 years since 1948.
The war did not start in October 7. That is what people are getting wrong!

The problem ain't the H@m*s, the Palestinians or the isr@elis. The real problem goes all the way back to the world war, where Britain promised the land to three different groups, the Palestinians (Arabs), the isr@#lis (Jews) and the French.

You do realise all problems are caused by the West right:
WWI -- Serbian Assasin
WWII -- Austrian Painter
The Starving of Colonies during WW due to the kingdoms robbing the colonies supplies -- West
Cold War -- Russia n USA (Both Western)
Russian-Ukrainian War -- USA n NATO
China-Taiwan Conflict -- Western countries
Thailand-Cambodia Conflict -- France
Hamas-IDF conflict -- UK
Iraq War, Afgan War etc. -- USA

They just bring sh#t in, leave sh#t there.