The Car-Free movement and more walkable cities

[Islas Malvinas y Antartida Argentina]

I won't explain the car-free movement too in-depth so here is the wikipedia page for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car-free_movement
So, basically, the car-free movement has blown up recently (if you consider the last few decades recent), which is opposition to cars because of their enviromental, economic and safety effects. What are you guys' opinion on making cities more walkable and car dependency? Mine would NOT be banning cars, but making public transportation better so it can become more convenient than using a car. However, we should restrict (NOT BAN) the use of large SUVs', pickups and large crossovers on high density areas, and make more pedestrian streets.

[DutchFormosa]

I would support banning cars. Horse-and-buggies ftw.

[Islas Malvinas y Antartida Argentina]

I would support banning cars. Horse-and-buggies ftw.

GLOBALIZE THE AMISH

[Sowerval]

No. We should instead get rid of sidewalks and crosswalks in general. Everyone will own a Toyota Prius.

[Feidjeg]

I would support banning cars. Horse-and-buggies ftw.

GLOBALIZE THE AMISH

ah fuck where's the awesome quotes thread

[Washington-Columbia]

Freedom is best with having numerous ways to commute and move around. Cars are comfortable and reliable, but expecting 10 million people to get to work with only a Toyota can only go so well before you need to bulldoze half the city to house them.

Public transit brings people who can't, don't and shouldn't drive to work easily. Denser housing and apartments houses people who don't and can't maintain a house, or want a fairly standard life. Cities should be built for the residents in them, not for others in the area.

[Eahland]

No. We should instead get rid of sidewalks and crosswalks in general. Everyone will own a Toyota Prius.

I can't even get into the new Priuses. (Prii?)

[Ethel mermania]

I dont think improving mass transit, and car ownership are mutually exclusive ideas. That said you will take my Subarus out of my cold dead hands.


Full disclosure: I make my living by improving mass transit.

[Yellow Transcaucasia]

No. We should instead get rid of sidewalks and crosswalks in general. Everyone will own a Toyota Prius.

But why waste my huffing gasoline on a Toyota? (For legal reasons, do not huff gasoline, it will dissolve your brain)

[Yellow Transcaucasia]

About cars as transit, it oughta be just one of the forms of transportation, not the primary one. Like I would imagine the ideal scenario would be that you walk around the corner to get groceries, you bike a mile or two to visit a friend's house, you take the tram/subway/etc. to get to the other side of town, you drive to visit family an hour or two away, and you take the train to go visit NYC on a vacation.

[Dubrovzka]

Before you ban cars... have you considered the joy of a man's first donut on an empty track? That would make me reconsider

[Bnei Noah]

I dont think improving mass transit, and car ownership are mutually exclusive ideas. That said you will take my Subarus out of my cold dead hands.


Full disclosure: I make my living by improving mass transit.

You’re part of Silwa’s group?

[Ethel mermania]

I dont think improving mass transit, and car ownership are mutually exclusive ideas. That said you will take my Subarus out of my cold dead hands.


Full disclosure: I make my living by improving mass transit.

You’re part of Silwa’s group?

Heh no. But I am old enough to remember when seeing the guardian angels on a train made you breathe a sigh of relief.

I despise cuomo for among other things what he did to byford. Best boss I have had here.

[Bnei Noah]

You’re part of Silwa’s group?

Heh no. But I am old enough to remember when seeing the guardian angels on a train made you breathe a sigh of relief.

I despise cuomo for among other things what he did to byford. Best boss I have had here.

The “community based alternatives to policing” progressives crowd should be asking Curtis for advice. There are some spots on the Minneapolis-St.Paul light rail that could use a guardian angle or two.

But this thread is about car bans. I vote no, but I don’t mind making cites more walkable. I say this as a permanent and lifelong non-driver

[Yellow Transcaucasia]

Heh no. But I am old enough to remember when seeing the guardian angels on a train made you breathe a sigh of relief.

I despise cuomo for among other things what he did to byford. Best boss I have had here.

The “community based alternatives to policing” progressives crowd should be asking Curtis for advice. There are some spots on the Minneapolis-St.Paul light rail that could use a guardian angle or two.

But this thread is about car bans. I vote no, but I don’t mind making cites more walkable. I say this as a permanent and lifelong non-driver

Have we considered just gentrifying the subways?

[Ci Arovannea]

I dont think improving mass transit, and car ownership are mutually exclusive ideas. That said you will take my Subarus out of my cold dead hands.


Full disclosure: I make my living by improving mass transit.

Our country is reliant on car infrastructure for literally everything and it shows in the destruction of the third place, and the weird and hellish subdividing of towns and cities.

We're fucked, and unfucking ourselves is gonna at least mean that some auto execs will lose a few Subarus

[Yellow Transcaucasia]

I dont think improving mass transit, and car ownership are mutually exclusive ideas. That said you will take my Subarus out of my cold dead hands.


Full disclosure: I make my living by improving mass transit.

Our country is reliant on car infrastructure for literally everything and it shows in the destruction of the third place, and the weird and hellish subdividing of towns and cities.

We're fucked, and unfucking ourselves is gonna at least mean that some auto execs will lose a few Subarus

Can confirm about the overreliance on automobiles; it's literally impossible for me to walk to my school without jaywalking across this road.

[The Lazarene Republic]

Bad land use is the worst enemy of public transit and walkability. Cars are actually the best form of transportation for some commuters because living near where they need to be is unaffordable (or perhaps the places they want to go are scattered across the city) and providing affordable, high quality public transportation to meet these needs would be far too expensive for the city. It really comes down to zoning; reducing the problem to a mere consumer choice (offering public transit or revoking driving rights) is too simplistic and somewhat naïve.

[Bnei Noah]

The “community based alternatives to policing” progressives crowd should be asking Curtis for advice. There are some spots on the Minneapolis-St.Paul light rail that could use a guardian angle or two.

But this thread is about car bans. I vote no, but I don’t mind making cites more walkable. I say this as a permanent and lifelong non-driver

Have we considered just gentrifying the subways?

The left needs to make a choice. Do they want more cops on public transportation, or community-based alternatives that are based on the Guardian Angels? People want to feel safe on public transportation. Now, the left needs to acknowledge that if we are going to implement alternatives to traditional police scenes for public safety, this means the possibility of a person that tries to snatch a person’s bag or purse may get a firm punch to the face in order to subdue them or at least get tackled and detained. They may be asked to give back the bag. If they oblige, they may be told to get out of sight. This avoids an arrest record but also has some level of accountability.

[Gurkland]

What can i say? This is very bleak, cities want to concentrate people on unreliable public transportation to collect revenue and monopolize their movements, and expose them to disease contagion and casual pickpocketing, then they will make excuses to place surveillance cameras everywhere. This is not life. This is not even how i imagine the future it should be, it should have self driving cars, EV cars and hydrogen trucks.

I dont think improving mass transit, and car ownership are mutually exclusive ideas. That said you will take my Subarus out of my cold dead hands.


Full disclosure: I make my living by improving mass transit.

Our country is reliant on car infrastructure for literally everything and it shows in the destruction of the third place, and the weird and hellish subdividing of towns and cities.

We're fucked, and unfucking ourselves is gonna at least mean that some auto execs will lose a few Subarus

More like the country is reliant on car tickets fees, it's the local governments that are going to lose a lot of money if they cannot enforce parking tickets anymore. There are small towns whose these car tickets represent a crucial funding source, and they will not be able to fund schools and hospitals without car infrastructure.

You know the only other way would be to monopolize public transport and collect all fundings without caring for passenger comfort and safety? And you're not more dependent on cars than you are dependent on your fridge, it's yours and represents your self expression, your Volitional Eudaimonia whose values i champion. What self expression can you give to a government bus? You lose a lot of autonomy and identity

[The Lazarene Republic]

You know the only other way would be to monopolize public transport and collect all fundings without caring for passenger comfort and safety? And you're not more dependent on cars than you are dependent on your fridge, it's yours and represents your self expression, your Volitional Eudaimonia whose values i champion. What self expression can you give to a government bus? You lose a lot of autonomy and identity

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human spirit.

[Naverike]

I say clear this entire planet's nature down to the last acre and replace it all with 40-lane highways

[The Democratic Kingdom of Sanadia]

I say we forget about this and continue buying Libyan oil.

[Los Enquirers]

I don't think its a great idea to be rid of cars personally but to each their own

[Bnei Noah]

I say we forget about this and continue buying Libyan oil.

The Saudis will give us a better deal.