Iran War: For the Martyrs of Minab

[Western Theram]

Getting food and moving around doesnt take a whole day.

it does in Gaza, and sometimes they don't have anything to take home. traveling around in tents isn't fun and convenient

[East Dolinia]

Getting food and moving around doesnt take a whole day.

it does in Gaza, and sometimes they don't have anything to take home. traveling around in tents isn't fun and convenient

you don't take the tent and bring it with you, do you?

[Western Theram]

it does in Gaza, and sometimes they don't have anything to take home. traveling around in tents isn't fun and convenient

you don't take the tent and bring it with you, do you?

no but there's a very high chance of so called "safe zones" being struck by israel since they've done so in the past, these people are however carrying what little they have on them in bags and buckets so it doesn't get stolen or destroyed. idk about you but i don't trust a government that's been breaking the ceasefire to provoke a response to be the guardian of my belongings

[Ineva]

What in the actual fuck does any of this have to do with the war, exactly?

Indeed, the actual fuck appears to be at the center of the current discussion.

[Haymarket Riot]

Not having sex makes it so no children are born, thus saving resources for the people who are already alive.

And other priorities? Oh, I don't know... How about trying to get food and not die? There are other ways to spend their precious time on earth instead of fucking each other.

Getting food and moving around doesnt take a whole day.
If you had sex I think your opinion would change.

*** Warning for trolling. ***

[The Lazarene Republic]

...well, by the same logic, Palestine isn't a state either, given that it was founded by the British as well...

The time boundary is also interesting. A 99-year-old collective with a distinct culture, government, borders, and the like are considered a coincidental swath of nomadic invaders, but, that 100-year mark suddenly forms them into a cohesive country to be recognized by all. I would be curious to learn what led D.K.S. to this determination. If Israel manages to exist past 100 years of age--probably will do so within many of our lifetimes--are we to then consider Israel a state?

There is a point at which genocide becomes fait accompli, which tends to near as time passes. Hitler thought he would get away with lebensraum by employing such "quickness and brutality" that, like the Armenian Genocide, the West would not bother to contest the issue (v. the Obersalzberg speech). If the Nazis had enough time, there wouldn't have been enough Poles for a Polish nation-state, even with settler removals on the table.

The saving grace of Herrenvolk democracy is that all democracies struggle with completing ambitious projects. Very few politicians in Israel's history would have had the political capital to pursue exterminationist policies as drastic as the ones Netanyahu has enacted.

[Jibjibistan]

What in the actual fuck does any of this have to do with the war, exactly?

Indeed, the actual fuck appears to be at the center of the current discussion.

This is the fastest I have seen a thread go off the rails, (although I am relatively new)

[Magna Mediterranea]

Indeed, the actual fuck appears to be at the center of the current discussion.

This is the fastest I have seen a thread go off the rails, (although I am relatively new)

There was an F7 thread one time that on the first page became just hating on one person

[Oceasia]

Turkey seeks safe passage for 200 civilians trapped in Gaza tunnels, official says

Turkey and Egypt have been negotiating for a deal where 200 Hamas militants trapped underneath Rafah are allowed safe passage in exchange for their disarmament & exile, or something to that effect. Israel hasn't really budged on this issue.

In numbers: One month of ceasefire in Gaza

It’s now been one month since the ceasefire came into effect in Gaza. Since the start of the ceasefire:

At least 241 Palestinians have been killed and 619 wounded by Israeli attacks that have continued.
Hamas has returned all 20 remaining living captives and bodies of 24 of the 28 deceased captives.
Israel has released about 2,000 Palestinians, including 250 political prisoners who were serving lengthy or life sentences, and 1,718 Palestinians who were, according to the UN, forcefully disappeared by Israel during the war.
Bodies of Palestinians have also been returned, with Israeli authorities handing over 15 for each deceased Israeli returned in recent exchanges. Palestinian officials say they have struggled with identification due to the decomposition of the bodies and the lack of necessary equipment in the enclave.

2 months is the record to beat.

Israeli soldiers speak out on killings of Gaza civilians

More soldiers speaking out, far too late for a lot of Palestinians in Gaza.

[East Dolinia]

Times of Israel: The bill of Otzma Yehudit ('Jewish Power') "to impose the death penalty on terrorists who have killed Israelis" passes, with 39 votes to 16, its first reading.

Otzma Yehudit MK Limor Son Har-Melech’s bill stipulates that Israeli courts must impose the death penalty on those who have committed a nationalistically motivated murder of a citizen of Israel ...
The bill states that it applies to those who kill Israelis due to “racism” and “with the aim of harming the State of Israel and the revival of the Jewish people in its land,” leading to criticism that it would apply only to Arabs who kill Jews and not to Jewish terrorists ... The bill will now be referred to committee to be prepared for the final two readings it must pass to become law. Except for Avigdor Liberman’s Yisrael Beytenu party, which voted in favor, the votes were largely boycotted by the opposition, with all of Blue and White and all but one of Yesh Atid’s MKs staying away. Among the Haredi parties, United Torah Judaism’s Degel HaTorah faction pledged to oppose the bill. All but two of Shas’s lawmakers missed the late night vote.

Video: Ben Gvir distributes baklava in the Knesset on the occasion of the vote's success

According to the Knesset Web page, which I just now recalled to my ordinator, the bill passed its very first vote in March of 2023, after which it was to be prepared for the 'first reading' which only now took place.

[Magna-Parva]

Times of Israel: The bill of Otzma Yehudit ('Jewish Power') "to impose the death penalty on terrorists who have killed Israelis" passes, with 39 votes to 16, its first reading.

That's nuts.

[East Dolinia]

That's nuts.

What are you, some kind of anti-Zionist?

[The Democratic Kingdom of Sanadia]

Turkey seeks safe passage for 200 civilians trapped in Gaza tunnels, official says

Turkey and Egypt have been negotiating for a deal where 200 Hamas militants trapped underneath Rafah are allowed safe passage in exchange for their disarmament & exile, or something to that effect. Israel hasn't really budged on this issue.

In numbers: One month of ceasefire in Gaza

It’s now been one month since the ceasefire came into effect in Gaza. Since the start of the ceasefire:

At least 241 Palestinians have been killed and 619 wounded by Israeli attacks that have continued.
Hamas has returned all 20 remaining living captives and bodies of 24 of the 28 deceased captives.
Israel has released about 2,000 Palestinians, including 250 political prisoners who were serving lengthy or life sentences, and 1,718 Palestinians who were, according to the UN, forcefully disappeared by Israel during the war.
Bodies of Palestinians have also been returned, with Israeli authorities handing over 15 for each deceased Israeli returned in recent exchanges. Palestinian officials say they have struggled with identification due to the decomposition of the bodies and the lack of necessary equipment in the enclave.

2 months is the record to beat.

Israeli soldiers speak out on killings of Gaza civilians

More soldiers speaking out, far too late for a lot of Palestinians in Gaza.

Why can't Hamas smuggle those 200 men out without a deal?

[Filianic Republic of Aryavarta]

if israel has million number of fans i am one of them. if israel has ten fans i am one of them. if israel has no fans. that means i am no more on the earth. if world against israel, i am against the world. i love israel till my last breath... die hard fan of israel. Hit like if u think israel best & smart in the world

[The Bordirigist Republic]

Honestly at this point, if you support Israel you support evil.

The same goes for supporters of HAMAS by the way.

[Vyuit]

This is my stance regarding Israel and Palestine, and the U.S. involvement.

Israel (the modern state, not the biblical or historical nation) has been operating as an apartheid state for a long time now, and over the past few years were outright committing a genocide against the Palestinian people. Prime Minister Benjamen Netanyahu is a war criminal.

The U.S. should cut off all military and economic support to Israel and make the boycotts, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) movement national policy, until Israel comes to the bargaining table with Palestine to negotiate the terms of a one-state solution, with equal rights for both non-Palestinian and Palestinian Israelis. Both Israel and the U.S. owe reparations to the Palestinian people (and the U.S. also owes reparations to a number of other peoples as well, including descendants of slavery and black Americans, descendants of WWII Japanese internment, its various indigenous groups, etc...).

Israel has the right to exist, but it does not have the right to exist as a Jewish-only ethnostate, nor to exist as a theocracy (Israel must be secular). Israel has the right to defend itself, but it does not have the right to commit war crimes or genocide. What Israel has been doing is not defense.

I understand given the history of persecution that the Jewish people have endured, that some Jewish people would want to establish a state (Israel) as a homeland and safe haven for their people (though not all Jewish people are interested in returning to Israel or support Israel). However, it is also true that there are many stateless ethnicities and people groups in the world, that many people groups are spread out over a diaspora, and that many people groups are and have always been minority groups in what we could call their historical homelands. The Jewish people are not unique in that regard. It is not feasible (and arguably not even desirable) to give every ethno-linguistic people group their own state (the issue is geopolitically complex and every situation needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis). That said, I think it is completely acceptable for Israel to have a right of return for all members of the Jewish diaspora, but if they have a right to return than that right to return must apply to all people groups whom have a claim to the southern Levant being their homeland and if they have a right to return they must also have a right to remain (for the Palestinians). Israel must be a country that is shared with both the current Israeli population and the current Palestinian population.

I am opposed to all positions that espouse xenophobia, islamophobia, antisemitism, zionism, or ethnonationism.

P.S. Not that it matters, but I feel compelled to mention that my late father and his family were/are Jewish Americans.

[Adamede]

I would think that they mostly aren't deciding to have kids, it's just happening. It's not like they have reliable access to contraceptives or abortion services. The general state of sex education probably isn't great when there hasn't been a functioning school in years. Plus it's an unavoidable fact for them that any given day could very easily be their last, and they probably have very little to actually do when they're not being bombed. Not difficult to imagine a lot of young people thinking they might as well get laid before they die.

It's still kinda selfish for them to think like that. They know the consequences of having sex, especially when there is limited access to birth control. It doesn't matter if they think each day would be their last. They're making everything worse by continuing to have kids, regardless if they intend to or not, which will take up more resources which other people desperately need during a war.

So absence contraceptives but for adults instead of teenagers.

Yah I don’t think that’s gonna work bro.

[Lusitanic]

if israel has million number of fans i am one of them. if israel has ten fans i am one of them. if israel has no fans. that means i am no more on the earth. if world against israel, i am against the world. i love israel till my last breath... die hard fan of israel. Hit like if u think israel best & smart in the world

1. There’s no like button
2. You are willing to be a fan of killing tens of thousands of innocent people or just a fan of Israel as in the people and culture

[DutchFormosa]

if israel has million number of fans i am one of them. if israel has ten fans i am one of them. if israel has no fans. that means i am no more on the earth. if world against israel, i am against the world. i love israel till my last breath... die hard fan of israel. Hit like if u think israel best & smart in the world

1. There’s no like button
2. You are willing to be a fan of killing tens of thousands of innocent people or just a fan of Israel as in the people and culture

I think that post was satire.

[DutchFormosa]

It's still kinda selfish for them to think like that. They know the consequences of having sex, especially when there is limited access to birth control. It doesn't matter if they think each day would be their last. They're making everything worse by continuing to have kids, regardless if they intend to or not, which will take up more resources which other people desperately need during a war.

So absence contraceptives but for adults instead of teenagers.

Yah I don’t think that’s gonna work bro.

As if adults don't also use contraceptives.

[East Dolinia]

In my capacity as Basileus and Autocrat of this thread, I end the present poll, which ran for ca. two days. The results are as follows:
Do you condemn Israel?
Yes: 32 (76%)
No: 10 (24%)
Total votes: 42
The following poll will concern the proper territorial extent of Israel.

[DutchFormosa]

In my capacity as Basileus and Autocrat of this thread, I end the present poll, which ran for ca. two days. The results are as follows:
Do you condemn Israel?
Yes: 32 (76%)
No: 10 (24%)
Total votes: 42
The following poll will concern the proper territorial extent of Israel.

Very funny to call yourself the "Basileus" of a Middle Eastern thread.

[Ellisport]

In my capacity as Basileus and Autocrat of this thread, I end the present poll, which ran for ca. two days. The results are as follows:
Do you condemn Israel?
Yes: 32 (76%)
No: 10 (24%)
Total votes: 42
The following poll will concern the proper territorial extent of Israel.

The next poll should ask us how long we think it will take for a new bout of fighting to begin

[East Dolinia]

In my capacity as Basileus and Autocrat of this thread, I end the present poll, which ran for ca. two days. The results are as follows:
Do you condemn Israel?
Yes: 32 (76%)
No: 10 (24%)
Total votes: 42
The following poll will concern the proper territorial extent of Israel.

Very funny to call yourself the "Basileus" of a Middle Eastern thread.

Maybe I'm the Caliph, or King of Kings, or 'head of state'.
The Hebrew rosh ha-memshelah is, I think, a modern coinage. How would we translate 'thread'? This 'rosh', like the American 'president', was originally modest. You have also, for example, rosh yeshiva - head (i.e., principal) of a yeshiva.
According to Wiktionary, the Hebrew for thread, in forum, is שרשור - shirshur. I acclaim myself rosh ha-shirshur.

The next poll should ask us how long we think it will take for a new bout of fighting to begin

This was the subject of the first poll, the results of which are archived in the original post.

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You know what? Forget the Hague, forget the ICC. Send them to Tehran.