UK Politics Thread: The Mandelson Effect

[Celritannia]

Marina Purkiss:

A woman is killed by a man every 3 days in the UK...

78% are murdered by a partner/ex

Yet not once have I heard Reform talk about this

Not once have I heard them back measures to protect women’s safety

In fact, they voted against them

So ask yourself...

Why the concern for women only when the perpetrator is a migrant?

Just further highlights Reforms bigotry and racism.

[Vassenor]

And now for something completely different:

Reform-led Kent County Council faces awkward choice: demand removal of flags form lampposts and be called unpatriotic or fail to put up Christmas lights and get called anti-Christian.

[East Dolinia]

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no sources, no references, ungrammatical engagement-babble

[Vassenor]

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no sources, no references, ungrammatical engagement-babble

So what is actually happening then?

[East Dolinia]

no sources, no references, ungrammatical engagement-babble

So what is actually happening then?

i don't know what the twitter user is referring to, because it's deliberately unclear to drive engagement, so there's nothing to argue against
rapist migrants are being imported to britain at the natives' expense. that's what's happening. of course the natives also commit rape, but nothing on the scale of rotherham, or of the hundreds of other such operations
i endorse execution of all rapists regardless of race
please don't ever again give a link to that cesspool without warning

[Velstrania]

How can he be 'hiding the truth' when what this is all in response to is a very public interview he gave reported in a major national news source? He doesn't need to hide the truth. The British public simply don't do their research. As I said previously, much of the reason that people here don't get what he's doing is because we don't come at this issue from a normal standpoint. The average voter is terribly informed about the politics of their own country, and it's not just about one party. The same is true for the people who've just always voted labour or tory for decades. Don't blame Farage for saying precisely what he'd like to do, blame the voters for not researching it.

Okay, let's take Brexit as an example. There are so many lies I could point out, but 1 that stand out currently is this.
Faraga stated that it was difficult to control immigration asa member of the EU. This is not only untrue, we actually have documentation to prove just how much of a lie it is. Under Article 7 of the EU Rights Directive, there are specific areas an individual needs in order to become a citizen, I.e., a job, funds, etc.
Now, obviously leaving the EU, the UK cannot use this.

So while I agree that people need to be educated on topics, Farage is utilising these people as a waynto gain power. It is tit-for-tat, but Farage has always lied about things.

It's more a half-truth than an all-out lie. It is very difficult to control immigration from the EU as a member of the EU, but it is infinitely easier to control immigration from outside the EU as a member of the EU because the EuU's free movement policies make it extremely important to make sure it is an exclusive club. Using the refugee crisis as a campaign point, back before small boats had even become a major issue was however a giant dogwhistle.
The problems we're experiencing now with immigration aren't even because of brexit though, we could quite easily put in place a very restrictive immigration system. The problem stems from the fact that this country has an aging population that isn't having children and everybody with an ounce of common sense knows that we need immigration to help plug the gap. Unfortunately, it is political suicide to actually state as such in the current climate.

[Vassenor]

So what is actually happening then?

i don't know what the twitter user is referring to, because it's deliberately unclear to drive engagement, so there's nothing to argue against
rapist migrants are being imported to britain at the natives' expense. that's what's happening. of course the natives also commit rape, but nothing on the scale of rotherham, or of the hundreds of other such operations
i endorse execution of all rapists regardless of race
please don't ever again give a link to that cesspool without warning

Imported by who and to what end?

[East Dolinia]

i don't know what the twitter user is referring to, because it's deliberately unclear to drive engagement, so there's nothing to argue against
rapist migrants are being imported to britain at the natives' expense. that's what's happening. of course the natives also commit rape, but nothing on the scale of rotherham, or of the hundreds of other such operations
i endorse execution of all rapists regardless of race
please don't ever again give a link to that cesspool without warning

Imported by who and to what end?

imported by the government, the organ of the capitalist class, as cheap labor, and as a politically and socially divisive force who can be guaranteed to side against the native workers

[Magna-Parva]

Imported by who and to what end?

imported by the government, the organ of the capitalist class, as cheap labor, and as a politically and socially divisive force who can be guaranteed to side against the native workers

People have been saying this sort of nonsense forever and it still isn't true.

[Vassenor]

Imported by who and to what end?

imported by the government, the organ of the capitalist class, as cheap labor, and as a politically and socially divisive force who can be guaranteed to side against the native workers

Now back up that claim with actual evidence.

[Velstrania]

Imported by who and to what end?

imported by the government, the organ of the capitalist class, as cheap labor, and as a politically and socially divisive force who can be guaranteed to side against the native workers

What is your answer, if this 'cheap labour' is not to be 'imported' in order to solve the labour gap? The amount of taxpayers to the amount of non-taxpayers is not a ratio that can be sustained indefinitely.

[Imperializt Russia]

"I intentionally sought out and watched Islamist beheading videos on [platform] and now I've self-radicalised to racism" is a shockingly common pipeline tbf.

Well, no, that wasn't really what got me into the old racism. It's just really funny, because the ISIS guys get so worked up, and deliver their incomprehensible tirades, and puff up their chests and gesture forcefully, so proud of themselves, and the victims are dead-eyed, stoic, perhaps not really having believed that it would come to this, but, oh well, this is what would seem to be happening. It's a 'forbidden fruit', striking and enrapturing.
Of course, the men being tortured to death were defending their communities against these barbarians. It's the ISIS guys who should be tortured to death. But if you want to see that, many such videos were produced by the Iraqi PMF, and are available on the same site.
Racism, by the way, is about as radical as the belief in evolution.
1) General intelligence is mostly hereditary (50-80%) and valid (strong predictor of many objective personal life outcomes.) This is the scientific consensus.
2) Average general intelligence varies between racial groups. This is a statistical fact.
Therefore 3) significant differences in hereditary component of intelligence exist between racial groups.
Racial groups can be tracked/ racial background determined by genetic testing and PCA.
Racism is also necessitated by nationalism, since a nation is a community of birth. 'Race' once also referred to what would now be called nations e.g. Irish race, Scottish race

That is not what "heritability" means. Put down your copy of the Bell Curve, they were just wrong.

50-80% of the variance of "intelligence" can be said to be heritable. The surviving author at time of publishing (I can't be fucked to remember his name) intentionally conflates it as you have done, to say that 50-80% of "intelligence" as a concept is down to inherited genes or w/e

[Slembana]

"I intentionally sought out and watched Islamist beheading videos on [platform] and now I've self-radicalised to racism" is a shockingly common pipeline tbf.

Well, no, that wasn't really what got me into the old racism. It's just really funny, because the ISIS guys get so worked up, and deliver their incomprehensible tirades, and puff up their chests and gesture forcefully, so proud of themselves, and the victims are dead-eyed, stoic, perhaps not really having believed that it would come to this, but, oh well, this is what would seem to be happening. It's a 'forbidden fruit', striking and enrapturing.
Of course, the men being tortured to death were defending their communities against these barbarians. It's the ISIS guys who should be tortured to death. But if you want to see that, many such videos were produced by the Iraqi PMF, and are available on the same site.
Racism, by the way, is about as radical as the belief in evolution.
1) General intelligence is mostly hereditary (50-80%) and valid (strong predictor of many objective personal life outcomes.) This is the scientific consensus.
2) Average general intelligence varies between racial groups. This is a statistical fact.
Therefore 3) significant differences in hereditary component of intelligence exist between racial groups.
Racial groups can be tracked/ racial background determined by genetic testing and PCA.
Racism is also necessitated by nationalism, since a nation is a community of birth. 'Race' once also referred to what would now be called nations e.g. Irish race, Scottish race

The claim that IQ is hereditary has been thoroughly debunked. It’s racist pseudoscience.

[East Dolinia]

so i've been here on and off for almost a half hour now and so this will be my last reply. to both of you:
who has substantive influence over government policy? you're some kind of commie, i don't have to spell it out to you. there are studies showing that MPs are out of sync with the public on these issues, because of the class divide
labor migration decreases the value of labor, and the working class loses. very simple economics. read matthew goodwin
on 'imbalance': mass migration depresses fertility, because makes life harder for working class natives, and creates intercommunal conflicts. danish studies (some of the only not obstructed by refusal to collect/ publish statistics by race) show that non-western migrants and their children don't, on average, contribute to the state budget
the danes, rather than blinding themselves and deceiving the public, attempted to practice this migration-driven 'multiculturalism' to benefit the state, experimented for decades e.g. in breaking up ghettoes and practicing real community work and failed. the danish political class are in line with their people on this issue and are now undertaking to begin repatriation
on intelligence: look it up, and all of the mainstream sources will tell you that this is the consensus view. race deniers have fought it for decades, but it's patently obvious

[Greater Britannian Realm]

i don't know what the twitter user is referring to, because it's deliberately unclear to drive engagement, so there's nothing to argue against
rapist migrants are being imported to britain at the natives' expense. that's what's happening. of course the natives also commit rape, but nothing on the scale of rotherham, or of the hundreds of other such operations
i endorse execution of all rapists regardless of race
please don't ever again give a link to that cesspool without warning

Imported by who and to what end?

Self imported by the people smugglers via the small boats.
You could go full conspiracy nutter and say maybe its the terror groups sending in sleeper cells but thats quite absurd without evidence.
However we can also dismiss that twitter/X post since the poster fails to provide evidence, anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Though on the topic of sexual offences current incomplete reporting states,
Afghans are closer to three times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than someone born in the UK.
Also yes I know im using an article that states nigel overestimated it.

[Tinhampton]

An unrelated thing I just realised...

This is a BBC article about Rachel Reeves' pre-Budget speech. Not interested in such tabloidical frivolities? You might be interested in this article about the Government's promise to review rail security, this article about joke jobs at immigration detention centres, or this article about how to get a bargain on your summer holiday.

The common link in all of these is that Jennifer Meierhans had a part in writing them. Not a lot of people remember that she is the same Jennifer Meierhans who, in 2021, accidentally landed a world-exclusive story-slash-campaigning-victory. Meierhans got bored during Lockdown mk3.0 and decided that buying a grey waterproof jacket from Coast for £51 would be a great idea. She learned, by complete and utter chance, that a friend of hers called Lucy Burn had bought the exact same coat from Dorothy Perkins for £17. Boohoo, who own both brands, decided to equalise the prices of both coats in advance of the story being published, although it's unlikely that a third party independently intervened given that credit is assigned to "the BBC" for convincing Boohoo to equalise the price of a different coat between brands in a similar fashion.

In 2021, Jennifer Meierhans was "Jennifer Meierhans, BBC News." Today, she is "Jennifer Meierhans, Business reporter." My memory of non-coronavirus articles from that era is a bit hazy and I'm not familiar with any of her other early works, but it is quite possible that Meierhans managed to more or less leverage a fruitful and somewhat high-profile professional journalistic career out of her decision to write, publish, and otherwise singlehandedly manifest an article about a personal anecdote which wouldn't be newsworthy without her personal connections. (Imagine if Ally Louks became the CEO of Febreze and you'll understand my analogy.)

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Want an even wilder trip down memory lane? This is an article by Hazel Shearing - who, like Meierhans in 2021, was also a simple "BBC News" byliner - about that one time she decided in October 2020 to do her journalistic writeups from her laptop in a Traditional Pub [tm] in leafy south-east London. This is a list of virtually every article that Shearing has written since that fateful day. You'll note that very few of the people about whom she talks in these articles can go into pubs unaccompanied nor complete their assigned work on a computer (unless they print it off and stick it in their schoolbooks). Mind you, the chronological lag means that I can't say at all that Shearing is famous because she had a pint while researching an article about working from one's local during the interlockdown period.

[NewAlbion]

Imported by who and to what end?

Self imported by the people smugglers via the small boats.
You could go full conspiracy nutter and say maybe its the terror groups sending in sleeper cells but thats quite absurd without evidence.
However we can also dismiss that twitter/X post since the poster fails to provide evidence, anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Though on the topic of sexual offences current incomplete reporting states,
Afghans are closer to three times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than someone born in the UK.
Also yes I know im using an article that states nigel overestimated it.

They are not the same as us.

[Magna-Parva]

Self imported by the people smugglers via the small boats.
You could go full conspiracy nutter and say maybe its the terror groups sending in sleeper cells but thats quite absurd without evidence.
However we can also dismiss that twitter/X post since the poster fails to provide evidence, anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Though on the topic of sexual offences current incomplete reporting states,
Afghans are closer to three times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than someone born in the UK.
Also yes I know im using an article that states nigel overestimated it.

They are not the same as us.

Nobody's the same as you, because you're unique. What you're doing is determining the "us" and the "other" on the basis of race. Which is, not to put to fine a point on it, pretty fucking racist. You can dress it up in fancy clothes as much as you want, but your opinions are vulgar and basically racist. Grow up.

[Greater Britannian Realm]

They are not the same as us.

Nobody's the same as you, because you're unique. What you're doing is determining the "us" and the "other" on the basis of race. Which is, not to put to fine a point on it, pretty fucking racist. You can dress it up in fancy clothes as much as you want, but your opinions are vulgar and basically racist. Grow up.

I personally define the differences not on race but culture.
Different peoples have different cultures.
Different cultures have certain practices that another might find wrong or disgusting.
A recent example is a religious event in India where people cover themselves in cow dung.
To "western" cultures thats horrid but to Indians they are honouring a god.

Its these cultural differences that create conflict which is caused by when those who are immigrating to britain (be it illegaly or legal)
Do not Intergrate into british culture.
Adapting to the main culture and its practices and values of the country you are immigrating to is in my opinion something that should be expected and if needed enforced through education.

[NewAlbion]

They are not the same as us.

Nobody's the same as you, because you're unique. What you're doing is determining the "us" and the "other" on the basis of race. Which is, not to put to fine a point on it, pretty fucking racist. You can dress it up in fancy clothes as much as you want, but your opinions are vulgar and basically racist. Grow up.

You are wrong.

[Greater Britannian Realm]

Nobody's the same as you, because you're unique. What you're doing is determining the "us" and the "other" on the basis of race. Which is, not to put to fine a point on it, pretty fucking racist. You can dress it up in fancy clothes as much as you want, but your opinions are vulgar and basically racist. Grow up.

You are wrong.

Wheres your evidence then?
How is he wrong?

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

God why are there so many fucking Nazis itt now? I almost want to take GBR off ignore just because he suddenly feels quite palatable compared to these clowns.

(which is a scale model of how the Overton Window has shifted in this country, come to think of it)

[Nea Skotia]

God why are there so many fucking Nazis itt now? I almost want to take GBR off ignore just because he suddenly feels quite palatable compared to these clowns.

(which is a scale model of how the Overton Window has shifted in this country, come to think of it)

Trump, Farage, Le Pen, &c., made it cool again.

[Celritannia]

Okay, let's take Brexit as an example. There are so many lies I could point out, but 1 that stand out currently is this.
Faraga stated that it was difficult to control immigration asa member of the EU. This is not only untrue, we actually have documentation to prove just how much of a lie it is. Under Article 7 of the EU Rights Directive, there are specific areas an individual needs in order to become a citizen, I.e., a job, funds, etc.
Now, obviously leaving the EU, the UK cannot use this.

So while I agree that people need to be educated on topics, Farage is utilising these people as a waynto gain power. It is tit-for-tat, but Farage has always lied about things.

It's more a half-truth than an all-out lie. It is very difficult to control immigration from the EU as a member of the EU, but it is infinitely easier to control immigration from outside the EU as a member of the EU because the EuU's free movement policies make it extremely important to make sure it is an exclusive club. Using the refugee crisis as a campaign point, back before small boats had even become a major issue was however a giant dogwhistle.
The problems we're experiencing now with immigration aren't even because of brexit though, we could quite easily put in place a very restrictive immigration system. The problem stems from the fact that this country has an aging population that isn't having children and everybody with an ounce of common sense knows that we need immigration to help plug the gap. Unfortunately, it is political suicide to actually state as such in the current climate.

It was a lie, as we had a system which required people coming in to.have specific criteria, and we were able to send people back to France.

The freedom of movement also allowed people from other European counties to work, study, travel, etc in the UK (and vice versa) then heading home. It was a massive boon to the UK economy.
Being outside of the EU means people.stay longer and bring their families over.

Lastly, regarding refugees, the UK could work much more closely with the EU as a.member including sending people back and processing people much easier.

We have lost so much from.Brexit it has fucked the UK up greatly, and Farage has told many lies about it.

[Greater Britannian Realm]

God why are there so many fucking Nazis itt now? I almost want to take GBR off ignore just because he suddenly feels quite palatable compared to these clowns.

(which is a scale model of how the Overton Window has shifted in this country, come to think of it)

I dont know if I should feel offended by that to be honest.
What did you think i was in the first place?