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by Northern Steakia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:03 am
by Adamede » Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:06 am
Northern Steakia wrote:Well shit. Good luck y'all.

by Northern Steakia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:09 am
Adamede wrote:Northern Steakia wrote:Well shit. Good luck y'all.
That just sounds like what the Guard normally does.
AP News wrote:The National Guard has always had troops that were on standby to deploy at a moment’s notice, but they traditionally have been used to quickly react to natural disasters and did not receive special training.
The new, specialized quick reaction forces will be able to deploy a fourth of all their troops within eight hours and all of those assigned to the units within a day, according to the memo.
by Adamede » Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:12 am
The Lazarene Republic wrote:Neu California wrote:Zohran Mamdani represents the future of the Democratic party, by Robert ReichYou don’t have to reach too far back in history to find Democratic politicians who have inspired young people. Bernie Sanders (technically an independent) and AOC. Barack Obama. (I was inspired in my youth by Bobby Kennedy – the real Bobby Kennedy – and Senator Eugene McCarthy.)
And Mamdani.
What do all of them have in common? They’re authentic. They’re passionate. They care about real people. They want to make America fairer. They advocate practical solutions that people can understand.
...Meanwhile, the editorial board of the New York Times counsels “moderation”, urging Democratic candidates to move to the “center”. Tell me: where is the center between democracy and fascism, and why would anyone want to go there?
In truth, the Times’s so-called “moderate center” is code for corporate Democrats using gobs of money to pursue culturally conservative “swing” voters – which is what the Democratic party has been doing for decades.
Sorry, but no. Reich is old enough to remember McGovernism (in fact, he volunteered for McGovern). That's not to say any left-of-center politicians are doomed to fail, but the AOC Dems most certainly are. You can't win the election by giving students everything they want and neglecting "culturally conservative 'swing' voters" because the blue-collar and non-white votes are more important than the student vote.
by Adamede » Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:13 am
Northern Steakia wrote:Adamede wrote:That just sounds like what the Guard normally does.AP News wrote:The National Guard has always had troops that were on standby to deploy at a moment’s notice, but they traditionally have been used to quickly react to natural disasters and did not receive special training.
The new, specialized quick reaction forces will be able to deploy a fourth of all their troops within eight hours and all of those assigned to the units within a day, according to the memo.

by Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:45 am

by Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:48 am

by Langnord » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:10 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Somewherica wrote:Democrats picked a bad hill to fortify and die on, but they are welcome to egress, release their hostages, and choose a better battle down the road.
A pot of contingency money is maintained by the government for this exact scenario, a judge has ruled "the government must use the contingency pot for the contingency currently occurring" and are refusing to do so.
The insistence on inflicting this is weaponisation of the system by Trump - it never had to happen. It's all a blame game.
Use the fucking contingency pot.

by Blue MAGA » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:34 am
Langnord wrote:The next president should make the White House be goth.

by Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:36 am
Langnord wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:A pot of contingency money is maintained by the government for this exact scenario, a judge has ruled "the government must use the contingency pot for the contingency currently occurring" and are refusing to do so.
The insistence on inflicting this is weaponisation of the system by Trump - it never had to happen. It's all a blame game.
Use the fucking contingency pot.
Ironically or maybe even unironically this is the one thing Trump apparently wants legal clarity on.

by The Lazarene Republic » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:40 am
Adamede wrote:The Lazarene Republic wrote:Sorry, but no. Reich is old enough to remember McGovernism (in fact, he volunteered for McGovern). That's not to say any left-of-center politicians are doomed to fail, but the AOC Dems most certainly are. You can't win the election by giving students everything they want and neglecting "culturally conservative 'swing' voters" because the blue-collar and non-white votes are more important than the student vote.
Yah the democrats lost trying to appeal to the blue collars last time around. They also lost significant shares of the minority vote to Trump. Trying to go moderate cost the democrats.
“Appealing to the youth” here means not selling out to corporations who are making Americans poorer and driving the country into the ground. The American dream is dead for anyone who ain’t a boomer or ultra wealthy. He’s running on creating a system that actually tries to help the common man and woman.
The culturally conservative types are guess what, gonna vote conservative. You’re not gonna win them over from the actual culturally conservatives.

by Ireleand » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:49 am
Burg land wrote:Ors Might wrote:The concept of order relies on being able to harm people who step out of line, lethally or otherwise. I just don't see the point in denying the effectiveness of political violence.
Yes, Let's do it!
Well shit, now we're Nazi Germany, the USSR, Maoist China, Cuba, Napoleonic France, and basically the Rome that killed Jesus Christ.

by Somewherica » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:49 am
Adamede wrote:Yah the democrats lost trying to appeal to the blue collars last time around. They also lost significant shares of the minority vote to Trump. Trying to go moderate cost the democrats.
“Appealing to the youth” here means not selling out to corporations who are making Americans poorer and driving the country into the ground. The American dream is dead for anyone who ain’t a boomer or ultra wealthy. He’s running on creating a system that actually tries to help the common man and woman.
The culturally conservative types are guess what, gonna vote conservative. You’re not gonna win them over from the actual culturally conservatives.

by The Lazarene Republic » Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:57 am
Somewherica wrote:Adamede wrote:Yah the democrats lost trying to appeal to the blue collars last time around. They also lost significant shares of the minority vote to Trump. Trying to go moderate cost the democrats.
“Appealing to the youth” here means not selling out to corporations who are making Americans poorer and driving the country into the ground. The American dream is dead for anyone who ain’t a boomer or ultra wealthy. He’s running on creating a system that actually tries to help the common man and woman.
The culturally conservative types are guess what, gonna vote conservative. You’re not gonna win them over from the actual culturally conservatives.
Actually, Democrats have barely courted the blue collar crowd in this new century as it no longer is representative of a base that has significantly drifted left of them.
Same goes for many minorities as well as more black and latin Americans beginning to take a good hard look past the racial pandering and begin to see how much of any perceived cultural dysfunction is a direct result of progressive socioeconomic policy.
The rose colored tint is washing off our collective perception of the condescending tyranny of low expectations that has maintained many of us as the largest and longest serving political subclass in the US.
Black and Latin Americans both share lived experience with a death cult that grooms poor fatherless males into an extreme trend towards criminal and internecine violence, if we are fortunate enough to survive one of America’s most dangerous environments and be born at all.
On top of that Hispanics lose thousands of friends and family a year on both sides of the border to a cartel flesh trade all but celebrated and welcomed with a red carpet of progressive border policy, and as far as those victimized by it goes, well, out of sight out of mind.
Even after we have showed them pictures of those few we are lucky enough to find plastered into the walls and cemented into the basement floor of a cartel drug den.

by Umeria » Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:07 am
The Lazarene Republic wrote:Neu California wrote:Zohran Mamdani represents the future of the Democratic party, by Robert ReichYou don’t have to reach too far back in history to find Democratic politicians who have inspired young people. Bernie Sanders (technically an independent) and AOC. Barack Obama. (I was inspired in my youth by Bobby Kennedy – the real Bobby Kennedy – and Senator Eugene McCarthy.)
And Mamdani.
What do all of them have in common? They’re authentic. They’re passionate. They care about real people. They want to make America fairer. They advocate practical solutions that people can understand.
...Meanwhile, the editorial board of the New York Times counsels “moderation”, urging Democratic candidates to move to the “center”. Tell me: where is the center between democracy and fascism, and why would anyone want to go there?
In truth, the Times’s so-called “moderate center” is code for corporate Democrats using gobs of money to pursue culturally conservative “swing” voters – which is what the Democratic party has been doing for decades.
Sorry, but no. Reich is old enough to remember McGovernism (in fact, he volunteered for McGovern). That's not to say any left-of-center politicians are doomed to fail, but the AOC Dems most certainly are. You can't win the election by giving students everything they want and neglecting "culturally conservative 'swing' voters" because the blue-collar and non-white votes are more important than the student vote.

by The Lazarene Republic » Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:26 am
Umeria wrote:The Lazarene Republic wrote:Sorry, but no. Reich is old enough to remember McGovernism (in fact, he volunteered for McGovern). That's not to say any left-of-center politicians are doomed to fail, but the AOC Dems most certainly are. You can't win the election by giving students everything they want and neglecting "culturally conservative 'swing' voters" because the blue-collar and non-white votes are more important than the student vote.
I'm sorry but did you time travel here from 2020? AOC dems just like any other political wing are capable of improving and adapting their strategy. case in point, a nobody assemblyman goes from single digits to the clear favorite to win an election of 8 million people by talking nonstop about groceries and housing affordability in clear-spoken understandable affect. uncertain what more you want and also what other left-of-center movement you expect to succeed in their place.
The Lazarene Republic wrote:Mamdani won rich New Yorkers and lost poor New Yorkers in the primary, and he's not exactly winning by a landslide despite being the Dem nominee in a deep blue city, with his two opponents being a despicable corrupt pervert, and even worse, a Republican. If he's getting slightly more than the vote in NYC, then he (or a similar candidate) would get less than half the vote in a general election. This is just cope, plain and simple. The activist left is not going to single-handedly save the party.

by DutchFormosa » Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:55 am

by Nilokeras » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:13 am
The Lazarene Republic wrote:Furthermore, Mamdani won rich New Yorkers and lost poor New Yorkers in the primary, and he's not exactly winning by a landslide despite being the Dem nominee in a deep blue city, with his two opponents being a despicable corrupt pervert, and even worse, a Republican. If he's getting slightly more than the vote in NYC, then he (or a similar candidate) would get less than half the vote in a general election. This is just cope, plain and simple. The activist left is not going to single-handedly save the party.

by Somewherica » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:18 am
The Lazarene Republic wrote:Yeah, no. This is largely gibberish. The problem is that the GOP broke the economy under Nixon and Reagan, and nobody really knows how to fix it, so the Dems have retreated into retarded culture war bullshit that creates intractable disagreements, because then they're guaranteed a permanent constituencies despite all else. But the culture war is purely a distraction and not the cause of any real problems. Trump and Bernie at least seemed like they had plans for the economy, which is why they had some appeal beyond traditional party constituencies.

by Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:19 am
Somewherica wrote:Adamede wrote:Yah the democrats lost trying to appeal to the blue collars last time around. They also lost significant shares of the minority vote to Trump. Trying to go moderate cost the democrats.
“Appealing to the youth” here means not selling out to corporations who are making Americans poorer and driving the country into the ground. The American dream is dead for anyone who ain’t a boomer or ultra wealthy. He’s running on creating a system that actually tries to help the common man and woman.
The culturally conservative types are guess what, gonna vote conservative. You’re not gonna win them over from the actual culturally conservatives.
Actually, Democrats have barely courted the blue collar crowd in this new century as it no longer is representative of a base that has significantly drifted left of them.
Same goes for many minorities as well as more black and latin Americans beginning to take a good hard look past the racial pandering and begin to see how much of any perceived cultural dysfunction is a direct result of progressive socioeconomic policy.
The rose colored tint is washing off our collective perception of the condescending tyranny of low expectations that has maintained many of us as the largest and longest serving political subclass in the US.
Black and Latin Americans both share lived experience with a death cult that grooms poor fatherless males into an extreme trend towards criminal and internecine violence, if we are fortunate enough to survive one of America’s most dangerous environments and be born at all.
On top of that Hispanics lose thousands of friends and family a year on both sides of the border to a cartel flesh trade all but celebrated and welcomed with a red carpet of progressive border policy, and as far as those victimized by it goes, well, out of sight out of mind.
Even after we have showed them pictures of those few we are lucky enough to find plastered into the walls and cemented into the basement floor of a cartel drug den.

by Greater Bulgharia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:24 am

by Nilokeras » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:26 am
Somewherica wrote:Actually, Democrats have barely courted the blue collar crowd in this new century as it no longer is representative of a base that has significantly drifted left of them.
Same goes for many minorities as well as more black and latin Americans beginning to take a good hard look past the racial pandering and begin to see how much of any perceived cultural dysfunction is a direct result of progressive socioeconomic policy.
The rose colored tint is washing off our collective perception of the condescending tyranny of low expectations that has maintained many of us as the largest and longest serving political subclass in the US.
Black and Latin Americans both share lived experience with a death cult that grooms poor fatherless males into an extreme trend towards criminal and internecine violence, if we are fortunate enough to survive one of America’s most dangerous environments and be born at all.
On top of that Hispanics lose thousands of friends and family a year on both sides of the border to a cartel flesh trade all but celebrated and welcomed with a red carpet of progressive border policy, and as far as those victimized by it goes, well, out of sight out of mind.
Even after we have showed them pictures of those few we are lucky enough to find plastered into the walls and cemented into the basement floor of a cartel drug den.

by Umeria » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:28 am
The Lazarene Republic wrote:Umeria wrote:I'm sorry but did you time travel here from 2020? AOC dems just like any other political wing are capable of improving and adapting their strategy. case in point, a nobody assemblyman goes from single digits to the clear favorite to win an election of 8 million people by talking nonstop about groceries and housing affordability in clear-spoken understandable affect. uncertain what more you want and also what other left-of-center movement you expect to succeed in their place.The Lazarene Republic wrote:Mamdani won rich New Yorkers and lost poor New Yorkers in the primary, and he's not exactly winning by a landslide despite being the Dem nominee in a deep blue city, with his two opponents being a despicable corrupt pervert, and even worse, a Republican. If he's getting slightly more than the vote in NYC, then he (or a similar candidate) would get less than half the vote in a general election. This is just cope, plain and simple. The activist left is not going to single-handedly save the party.

by Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:29 am
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