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[Yerachmeal]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/P ... %20support.

This was after a very quick and basic search.

Again, that is because of the abuse they endure by people around them.

Honestly this is getting pretty irritating how you keep bringing up this point only to point the finger of blame on the people who are being victimized.

You clearly know fuck all about what you are talking about. How about letting it go?

Scientists say that's what causes it. Their studies don't prove that 1 way or the other. They just prove that it happens. Why it happens absolutely has room for debate.

[Necroghastia]

What you are not doing is looking at the reasoning. You are asserting without evidence that it is due to ultimately cisgender people people regretting.

The study proves for certain that it happens. Why it happens is not proven, and the reasoning they give for it is no better than anyone else reading it. Saying that the reasoning for those suicides is what they say because that's the what they say the cause is, is in fact an appeal to authority. If you have actual logic backing up their reasoning I'm all ears.

You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Buddy. How is the rampant bigotry that is rising in many places in the US and Europe, particularly in right wing governments not a logical explanation?

I'm on mobile, so it's hard for me to pull the source out right now, but I have repeatedly cited how people who detrandition due to ultimately realizing they are cis are a vanishingly small minority, of avanishingky small minority, of a small minority. If you're interested it probably isn't hard to yank out of my post history.

And you think that they're the largest reason behind suicides because you disagree with what scientific sources say because... vibes? Feelings?

Get fucking real..

[Slembana]

The study proves for certain that it happens. Why it happens is not proven, and the reasoning they give for it is no better than anyone else reading it. Saying that the reasoning for those suicides is what they say because that's the what they say the cause is, is in fact an appeal to authority. If you have actual logic backing up their reasoning I'm all ears.

You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Buddy. How is the rampant bigotry that is rising in many places in the US and Europe, particularly in right wing governments not a logical explanation?

I'm on mobile, so it's hard for me to pull the source out right now, but I have repeatedly cited how people who detrandition due to ultimately realizing they are cis are a vanishingly small minority, of avanishingky small minority, of a small minority. If you're interested it probably isn't hard to yank out of my post history.

And you think that they're the largest reason behind suicides because you disagree with what scientific sources say because... vibes? Feelings?

Get fucking real..

Exactly. And studies have shown that supportive environments reduce the risk of suicide in trans people.

[Bnei Noah]

Again, that is because of the abuse they endure by people around them.

Honestly this is getting pretty irritating how you keep bringing up this point only to point the finger of blame on the people who are being victimized.

You clearly know fuck all about what you are talking about. How about letting it go?

Scientists say that's what causes it. Their studies don't prove that 1 way or the other. They just prove that it happens. Why it happens absolutely has room for debate.

I have a question, and I think there is a point where we agree but strongly disagree when we move the argument forward.

When a young child starts displaying age appropriate gender nonconformity? Yes, I mean little boys that like Barbie and little girls that like with trucks. I am talking about persistent, gender nonconformity, not one off instances.

Now, I strongly agree with conservatives that the left is too quick to push transgender medicine on them too early. I’ve already debated with transgender advocates on this forum about the motivations behind this, but that’s not my main focus for this post.

If I had a child who displayed age-appropriate non-gender-conforming behavior, I would allow them to pursue it as long as it was appropriate for their age. However, I don’t believe conservatives would support something like this. They would aggressively push the child to adopt interests that are stereotypically associated with their gender due to some social or religious commitment. This is where I strongly disagree with conservatives, so much so that I’m unwilling to actively form alliances with them on this issue, unlike other LGBT individuals.

[Daemonkin of Corn]

Again, that is because of the abuse they endure by people around them.

Honestly this is getting pretty irritating how you keep bringing up this point only to point the finger of blame on the people who are being victimized.

You clearly know fuck all about what you are talking about. How about letting it go?

Scientists say that's what causes it. Their studies don't prove that 1 way or the other. They just prove that it happens. Why it happens absolutely has room for debate.

Okay.

Yeah alright. How about you go to the trans thread and argue with them about it?

At this point I've got nothing to say to you that wouldnt get me banned.

You're a kid right? Because this logic is childish.

[Daemonkin of Corn]

Transphobic Conservatives as usual unable to accept that they are the reason trans people kill themselves.


An inability to accept personal responsibility seems common in that movement.

Just like the homophobic ones.

So long as they didnt murder them directly (which does happen from time to time...) its not their fault. Its just their fucking "religion" or something.

As bad as the Taliban really.

[Yerachmeal]

Scientists say that's what causes it. Their studies don't prove that 1 way or the other. They just prove that it happens. Why it happens absolutely has room for debate.

I have a question, and I think there is a point where we agree but strongly disagree when we move the argument forward.

When a young child starts displaying age appropriate gender nonconformity? Yes, I mean little boys that like Barbie and little girls that like with trucks. I am talking about persistent, gender nonconformity, not one off instances.

Now, I strongly agree with conservatives that the left is too quick to push transgender medicine on them too early. I’ve already debated with transgender advocates on this forum about the motivations behind this, but that’s not my main focus for this post.

If I had a child who displayed age-appropriate non-gender-conforming behavior, I would allow them to pursue it as long as it was appropriate for their age. However, I don’t believe conservatives would support something like this. They would aggressively push the child to adopt interests that are stereotypically associated with their gender due to some social or religious commitment. This is where I strongly disagree with conservatives, so much so that I’m unwilling to actively form alliances with them on this issue, unlike other LGBT individuals.

I for the most part agree with what you are saying. A boy liking Barbie dolls is meaningless. I remember in kindergarten I used to like them, and never got why my parents didn't let me play with them. I also agree that children should be allowed to have hobbies associated with the other gender.

What my argument was geared towards was the logic that it should be taught in school (pre college) to a classroom audience, the signs and causes or whatever about trans.

By the way, the whole gay thing (you asked about earlier) was more so thrown on me. I understand somewhat the struggles with it for religious gays have, I have friends who actually fall under that depiction. Thankfully, the one I know specifically about was lucky that his parents (his dad's a Rabbi by the way) explained to him that what he was describing in how he felt was attraction to males.

[Daemonkin of Corn]

I have a question, and I think there is a point where we agree but strongly disagree when we move the argument forward.

When a young child starts displaying age appropriate gender nonconformity? Yes, I mean little boys that like Barbie and little girls that like with trucks. I am talking about persistent, gender nonconformity, not one off instances.

Now, I strongly agree with conservatives that the left is too quick to push transgender medicine on them too early. I’ve already debated with transgender advocates on this forum about the motivations behind this, but that’s not my main focus for this post.

If I had a child who displayed age-appropriate non-gender-conforming behavior, I would allow them to pursue it as long as it was appropriate for their age. However, I don’t believe conservatives would support something like this. They would aggressively push the child to adopt interests that are stereotypically associated with their gender due to some social or religious commitment. This is where I strongly disagree with conservatives, so much so that I’m unwilling to actively form alliances with them on this issue, unlike other LGBT individuals.

I for the most part agree with what you are saying. A boy liking Barbie dolls is meaningless. I remember in kindergarten I used to like them, and never got why my parents didn't let me play with them. I also agree that children should be allowed to have hobbies associated with the other gender.

What my argument was geared towards was the logic that it should be taught in school (pre college) to a classroom audience, the signs and causes or whatever about trans.

By the way, the whole gay thing (you asked about earlier) was more so thrown on me. I understand somewhat the struggles with it for religious gays have, I have friends who actually fall under that depiction. Thankfully, the one I know specifically about was lucky that his parents (his dad's a Rabbi by the way) explained to him that what he was describing in how he felt was attraction to males.

What do you believe is taught in school about Trans?

Can you cite any curriculum?

[Cannot think of a name]

Transphobic Conservatives as usual unable to accept that they are the reason trans people kill themselves.

I think they know and they prefer it and they're waiting until they can say it out loud.

[Bnei Noah]

I have a question, and I think there is a point where we agree but strongly disagree when we move the argument forward.

When a young child starts displaying age appropriate gender nonconformity? Yes, I mean little boys that like Barbie and little girls that like with trucks. I am talking about persistent, gender nonconformity, not one off instances.

Now, I strongly agree with conservatives that the left is too quick to push transgender medicine on them too early. I’ve already debated with transgender advocates on this forum about the motivations behind this, but that’s not my main focus for this post.

If I had a child who displayed age-appropriate non-gender-conforming behavior, I would allow them to pursue it as long as it was appropriate for their age. However, I don’t believe conservatives would support something like this. They would aggressively push the child to adopt interests that are stereotypically associated with their gender due to some social or religious commitment. This is where I strongly disagree with conservatives, so much so that I’m unwilling to actively form alliances with them on this issue, unlike other LGBT individuals.

I for the most part agree with what you are saying. A boy liking Barbie dolls is meaningless. I remember in kindergarten I used to like them, and never got why my parents didn't let me play with them. I also agree that children should be allowed to have hobbies associated with the other gender.

What my argument was geared towards was the logic that it should be taught in school (pre college) to a classroom audience, the signs and causes or whatever about trans.

By the way, the whole gay thing (you asked about earlier) was more so thrown on me. I understand somewhat the struggles with it for religious gays have, I have friends who actually fall under that depiction. Thankfully, the one I know specifically about was lucky that his parents (his dad's a Rabbi by the way) explained to him that what he was describing in how he felt was attraction to males.

I’m celibate because I believe God has chosen celibacy as part of my purpose, not necessarily because homosexual sex is a sin.

Think about the prophet Jeremiah.

[Magna-Parva]

Scientists say that's what causes it. Their studies don't prove that 1 way or the other. They just prove that it happens. Why it happens absolutely has room for debate.

I have a question, and I think there is a point where we agree but strongly disagree when we move the argument forward.

When a young child starts displaying age appropriate gender nonconformity? Yes, I mean little boys that like Barbie and little girls that like with trucks. I am talking about persistent, gender nonconformity, not one off instances.

Now, I strongly agree with conservatives that the left is too quick to push transgender medicine on them too early. I’ve already debated with transgender advocates on this forum about the motivations behind this, but that’s not my main focus for this post.

If I had a child who displayed age-appropriate non-gender-conforming behavior, I would allow them to pursue it as long as it was appropriate for their age. However, I don’t believe conservatives would support something like this. They would aggressively push the child to adopt interests that are stereotypically associated with their gender due to some social or religious commitment. This is where I strongly disagree with conservatives, so much so that I’m unwilling to actively form alliances with them on this issue, unlike other LGBT individuals.

I propose we all chill out and instead of thinking of gender as rigid boxes just let people, including kids, act like they feel like. A boy likes Barbies? No big deal. There's no need to say "gaah! Get Timmy a BB gun to man him up" or the opposite extreme.

[Rusozak]

Transphobic Conservatives as usual unable to accept that they are the reason trans people kill themselves.

I think they know and they prefer it and they're waiting until they can say it out loud.

My local GOP voted down a resolution to fund mental health services in schools because it specifically mentioned suicide prevention for LGBT youth. They know what they are doing.

[The Black Forrest]

Source for that claim?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/P ... %20support.

Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001). Compared to the tubal ligation/vasectomy controls, the risk was 5.03-fold higher before propensity matching and remained significant at 4.71-fold after matching (3.50% vs. 0.74%, RR 95% CI 2.46-9.024, p < 0.0001) for the gender affirmation patients with similar results with the pharyngitis controls.

This was after a very quick and basic search.

I was not making the claim so I don’t have to prove your claim.

You do have a problem. Did you read the a paper? It isn’t a condemnation of the surgeries. It’s a simply a warning of issues in some cases. Like with the covid vaccine…..shoot I blanked on the one where in some cases; it caused brain bleeds. People learned what to look for and figured how to address the problem. They did not cancel the vaccine like you want to do in this matter.

In the discussions they said this:

Their findings suggested better mental health outcomes for those who underwent surgery, but notable limitations warrant careful interpretation. First, the study conducted a comparison between two groups: one that had not been approved for surgery, a process requiring two mental health screenings as per the World Professional Association for Transgender Health's standard of care recommendations, and another group that had already undergone surgery. Therefore, it is plausible that the surgery group could inherently have been healthier, irrespective of the surgery. Second, when the analysis was broadened to include lifetime outcomes, the positive association with the surgery became insignificant

These kind of papers serve a purpose. They help suggest things to monitor….to improve the process.

Even the conclusion doesn’t call for the end of the practice.

Sorry. It’s not damning the procedures as much as you want to believe….

[Yerachmeal]

The study proves for certain that it happens. Why it happens is not proven, and the reasoning they give for it is no better than anyone else reading it. Saying that the reasoning for those suicides is what they say because that's the what they say the cause is, is in fact an appeal to authority. If you have actual logic backing up their reasoning I'm all ears.

You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Buddy. How is the rampant bigotry that is rising in many places in the US and Europe, particularly in right wing governments not a logical explanation?

I'm on mobile, so it's hard for me to pull the source out right now, but I have repeatedly cited how people who detrandition due to ultimately realizing they are cis are a vanishingly small minority, of avanishingky small minority, of a small minority. If you're interested it probably isn't hard to yank out of my post history.

And you think that they're the largest reason behind suicides because you disagree with what scientific sources say because... vibes? Feelings?

Get fucking real..

The main reason it isn't a logical explanation is because then it would not just be trans people with that suicide rate. While gay people also have higher suicide rates than straight people it doesn't compare to how high the Transgender people's rate is. Indicating that there is something more than just the discrimination both face.

And if you are referring to the statistics I think you are about those who detransition, it shows that most of the ones who detransition do so because of financial reasons right? That doesn't mean as much as you think it does, because people are stubborn.

I have a pet theory (admittedly not one I have a way of actually doing research to confirm or disprove) that several people who transition have some other issue(s) and put it as this. I can actually see myself thinking I was trans when I was in highschool had I been taught that way, because I felt very out of place, especially with other males (who I was mostly around cuz it was an all boys school) I very likely would have thought that. I also knew it was not homosexuality, as I felt no attraction to other males. So had I been taught that way I may have thought that. The actual reason was that I am Autistic, but when I was diagnosed I was initially in that "trying to convince myself I wasn't Autistic and the doctor was wrong" state. It's very possible I would have fallen onto that. As an adult, I know how incorrect that would have been, but that's several years later.

Anyways, sorry for venting a bit, but I do have strong feelings on the matter.

[The Black Forrest]

I think they know and they prefer it and they're waiting until they can say it out loud.

My local GOP voted down a resolution to fund mental health services in schools because it specifically mentioned suicide prevention for LGBT youth. They know what they are doing.

I am shocked!…shocked I say!

So much hatred. One of the reasons I left organized religion and became an agnostic.

[Yerachmeal]

I for the most part agree with what you are saying. A boy liking Barbie dolls is meaningless. I remember in kindergarten I used to like them, and never got why my parents didn't let me play with them. I also agree that children should be allowed to have hobbies associated with the other gender.

What my argument was geared towards was the logic that it should be taught in school (pre college) to a classroom audience, the signs and causes or whatever about trans.

By the way, the whole gay thing (you asked about earlier) was more so thrown on me. I understand somewhat the struggles with it for religious gays have, I have friends who actually fall under that depiction. Thankfully, the one I know specifically about was lucky that his parents (his dad's a Rabbi by the way) explained to him that what he was describing in how he felt was attraction to males.

I’m celibate because I believe God has chosen celibacy as part of my purpose, not necessarily because homosexual sex is a sin.

Think about the prophet Jeremiah.

That makes sense. Jeremiah was very righteous in his own right.

[HISPIDA]

I have a question, and I think there is a point where we agree but strongly disagree when we move the argument forward.

When a young child starts displaying age appropriate gender nonconformity? Yes, I mean little boys that like Barbie and little girls that like with trucks. I am talking about persistent, gender nonconformity, not one off instances.

Now, I strongly agree with conservatives that the left is too quick to push transgender medicine on them too early. I’ve already debated with transgender advocates on this forum about the motivations behind this, but that’s not my main focus for this post.

If I had a child who displayed age-appropriate non-gender-conforming behavior, I would allow them to pursue it as long as it was appropriate for their age. However, I don’t believe conservatives would support something like this. They would aggressively push the child to adopt interests that are stereotypically associated with their gender due to some social or religious commitment. This is where I strongly disagree with conservatives, so much so that I’m unwilling to actively form alliances with them on this issue, unlike other LGBT individuals.

I propose we all chill out and instead of thinking of gender as rigid boxes just let people, including kids, act like they feel like. A boy likes Barbies? No big deal. There's no need to say "gaah! Get Timmy a BB gun to man him up" or the opposite extreme.

but that'd be treating gay and trans people like... like... like actual people! the horror!

[Slembana]

I think they know and they prefer it and they're waiting until they can say it out loud.

My local GOP voted down a resolution to fund mental health services in schools because it specifically mentioned suicide prevention for LGBT youth. They know what they are doing.

Once again, the cruelty is the point.

It’s funny, because whenever there’s a massive shooting, many Republicans will claim that mental health is the problem (despite the fact that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of gun violence than perpetrators of it), and then shit like what you just described happens.

[Tarsonis]

Tough shit, you want a piss poor education centered around your religion, go to religious schools. Public school isn't in the business of catering to religious ideation, for good reason.

Except I wasn't saying they should teach religion. I was saying they shouldn't be getting involved in religious disputes. And that includes favoring things against religion.

Gender issues are a matter of science. If your religious beliefs can't cope with science, that's a you problem.

[Slembana]

Except I wasn't saying they should teach religion. I was saying they shouldn't be getting involved in religious disputes. And that includes favoring things against religion.

Gender issues are a matter of science. If your religious beliefs can't cope with science, that's a you problem.

Yup. And science actually agrees with trans people.

[Thomas Harriot]

My local GOP voted down a resolution to fund mental health services in schools because it specifically mentioned suicide prevention for LGBT youth. They know what they are doing.

Once again, the cruelty is the point.

It’s funny, because whenever there’s a massive shooting, many Republicans will claim that mental health is the problem (despite the fact that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of gun violence than perpetrators of it), and then shit like what you just described happens.

and when democrats try to make laws about it, you hear the ever old slippery slope: "The libs are try'n to steal our guns"
it's crazy that conservatives value the 2nd amendment over the 1st, 4th, and 22nd

[Yerachmeal]

I for the most part agree with what you are saying. A boy liking Barbie dolls is meaningless. I remember in kindergarten I used to like them, and never got why my parents didn't let me play with them. I also agree that children should be allowed to have hobbies associated with the other gender.

What my argument was geared towards was the logic that it should be taught in school (pre college) to a classroom audience, the signs and causes or whatever about trans.

By the way, the whole gay thing (you asked about earlier) was more so thrown on me. I understand somewhat the struggles with it for religious gays have, I have friends who actually fall under that depiction. Thankfully, the one I know specifically about was lucky that his parents (his dad's a Rabbi by the way) explained to him that what he was describing in how he felt was attraction to males.

What do you believe is taught in school about Trans?

Can you cite any curriculum?

Here
https://teach.lgbt/

And by the way, you were wrong in your bad faith assumption about my age.

[Garamantia]

Heavy rain is expected in NYC tomorrow.

This will decrease turnout, especially for young voters who Mamdani needs to win.

Combined with the high turnout amongst older voters mentioned earlier... Mamdani's chances are decreasing as the election progresses.

[Slembana]

Heavy rain is expected in NYC tomorrow.

This will decrease turnout, especially for young voters who Mamdani needs to win.

Combined with the high turnout amongst older voters mentioned earlier... Mamdani's chances are decreasing as the election progresses.

I really hope he wins.

[The Black Forrest]

Heavy rain is expected in NYC tomorrow.

This will decrease turnout, especially for young voters who Mamdani needs to win.

Combined with the high turnout amongst older voters mentioned earlier... Mamdani's chances are decreasing as the election progresses.

Aren’t you against him?