UK Politics Thread: The Mandelson Effect

[Bienenhalde]

Considering this is a thread on the UK


What do people in this thread think was the best British royal dynasty/house

The Wessex, Normans, Plantagenets,Stuart,Windsor,etc.

I am not British, but an American of German descent. I personally have a strong affinity for the House of Hannover, not only because of their German background, but also because many of my ancestors came to the colonies during their reigns. But I also have some favorite British monarchs from other dynasties, particularly Elizabeth I, Charles I, and the current King Charles as well.

[Imperializt Russia]

GVH. Shit, sorry.

It's okay, that was your free spin of the three letter libertarian wheel.

Grand Moff Tarkin? I'm not sure I remember a GVH.

[Fartsniffage]

GVH. Shit, sorry.

It's okay, that was your free spin of the three letter libertarian wheel.

GVH joined a union recently. He's still an ass though.

[Fartsniffage]

It's okay, that was your free spin of the three letter libertarian wheel.

Grand Moff Tarkin? I'm not sure I remember a GVH.

You speak to him fairly frequently.

[Celritannia]

No, that is a lie.

Reform plans to not want to help get many needed workers for the health, care, farming, and other vital sectors still struggling after Brexit.

We assisted the US funding the Mujahideen during the Soviet's invasion of Afghanistan, including weapons, which lead to them forming the Taliban after that.

What reform suggest is easy talking points with no goal for the complex issues

Have you read the reform contract at all?
It goes over its plans to help the farming,fishing and NHS sectors.
The brexit faliures were due to the tory party failing to make a proper trade deal with the EU and then failing to ensure legislation to support the sectors that were damaged by the EU and the brexit shocks.
Reform wishes to address these and support the areas left behind by the tory (and labour) missmanagement.
So you are wrong with that.
I suggest you read the manifesto.

Yes, I have and I don't trust any of it as Aragr isn pathological liar, a charlatan, and a Putin puppet.

[Imperializt Russia]

Grand Moff Tarkin? I'm not sure I remember a GVH.

You speak to him fairly frequently.

Oops

In my defence, I don't remember Wednesday.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Zarah Sultana MP

NATO isn’t about “peace” or “security”. It’s an imperialist war machine. Just look at Afghanistan and Libya.

Arms dealers profit while our NHS collapses, public services crumble and millions of children grow up in poverty.

We must withdraw from NATO immediately.

People don’t need forever wars. They need material improvements to their lives.

Wages, not weapons. Welfare, not warfare.

Same woman who signed a statement blaming NATO's expansion for starting the Ukraine War.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Zarah Sultana MP

NATO isn’t about “peace” or “security”. It’s an imperialist war machine. Just look at Afghanistan and Libya.

Arms dealers profit while our NHS collapses, public services crumble and millions of children grow up in poverty.

We must withdraw from NATO immediately.

People don’t need forever wars. They need material improvements to their lives.

Wages, not weapons. Welfare, not warfare.

Same woman who signed a statement blaming NATO's expansion for starting the Ukraine War.

Actual fucking coward, piss off Zarah

[Fartsniffage]

You speak to him fairly frequently.

Oops

In my defence, I don't remember Wednesday.

He posts in here with a different nation now. Vel-something or other.

[Philjia]

Zarah Sultana MP

NATO isn’t about “peace” or “security”. It’s an imperialist war machine. Just look at Afghanistan and Libya.

Arms dealers profit while our NHS collapses, public services crumble and millions of children grow up in poverty.

We must withdraw from NATO immediately.

People don’t need forever wars. They need material improvements to their lives.

Wages, not weapons. Welfare, not warfare.

Same woman who signed a statement blaming NATO's expansion for starting the Ukraine War.

I definitely don't want another Afghanistan, or another Libya, but there's no particular reason we have to pull out of NATO to make that happen. There's also the matter that our armed forces are not in an especially great state at the moment and not being in NATO isn't an excuse for that, which is going to necessitate spending a lot of money on getting it up to standard. I don't want Britain to export weapons to countries that will deploy them in illegal wars or against civilians, and it is a political decision that we allow it, and it's also a decision that is independent of being in NATO.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Zarah Sultana MP
Same woman who signed a statement blaming NATO's expansion for starting the Ukraine War.

Actual fucking coward, piss off Zarah

the idea that if we just stopped supporting the struggling masses, melted down enough ammo into slag and slurry, and paeaned vladp (insert tyrant-of-choice here) enough, said tyrants would stop their crimes against humanity... is pernicious ideological poison.

Edit: I wonder what she thinks of russian gangsters literally hunting Ukrainian civilians for sport with drones, and what she thinks should be done about this.

[Imperializt Russia]

Oops

In my defence, I don't remember Wednesday.

He posts in here with a different nation now. Vel-something or other.

I did wonder! There are a few posters using that flag these days.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It's okay, that was your free spin of the three letter libertarian wheel.

GVH joined a union recently. He's still an ass though.

wait GVH decided to abandon his Randian religion?

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Corby does panto! ... are we in a festive mood now?

[Ariddia]

the idea that if we just stopped supporting the struggling masses, melted down enough ammo into slag and slurry, and paeaned vladp (insert tyrant-of-choice here) enough, said tyrants would stop their crimes against humanity... is pernicious ideological poison.

You'd have thought she'd have learnt the many lessons of history. Refusing to help the victims of imperialist military aggression isn't going to magically turn the imperialist aggressors (in this case, Putin) into peace-lovers.

The far left really have a blind spot when it comes to their futile wish to appease aggressors.

[The Huskar Social Union]

the idea that if we just stopped supporting the struggling masses, melted down enough ammo into slag and slurry, and paeaned vladp (insert tyrant-of-choice here) enough, said tyrants would stop their crimes against humanity... is pernicious ideological poison.

You'd have thought she'd have learnt the many lessons of history. Refusing to help the victims of imperialist military aggression isn't going to magically turn the imperialist aggressors (in this case, Putin) into peace-lovers.

The far left really have a blind spot when it comes to their futile wish to appease aggressors.

I mentioned this in the European politics thread about an element of the left, specifically in Ireland but it also applies to lots of other Western Countries like the UK, that are just so infuriating and utterly naïve (at best) or just straight up anti-western (at worst) when it comes to how they approach foreign conflicts or wars. Unless its Palestine they couldn't give a fucking toss about standing up to Authoritarianism or an invader because those invaders are anti-western which lines up with their beliefs that they are too cowardly to admit in the open.

Palestine is allowed to resist Israel and Israel should be sanctioned into the ground until its in ruins economically for what they have done for decades to the Palestinians, but Ukraine? Oh nooooo we cant have that, we need to stop arming Ukraine and push for peace, we need to make Ukraine negotiate with its invader to "protect the working class" and ohhhh what about the poor Russians in all of this? Its actually NATO's fault this all happened! Load of bullshit, i dont like NATO but with what Russia is doing right now, nearly four years of invasion, rape, torture and murder and you come off with this nonsense? Jog on

Europe needs to re-arm and build its militaries back up, this should have happened years ago but Europe was far too complacent and lazy to do it, and with a Russian agent in the white house it needs to be done now.

[Ifreann]

You'd have thought she'd have learnt the many lessons of history. Refusing to help the victims of imperialist military aggression isn't going to magically turn the imperialist aggressors (in this case, Putin) into peace-lovers.

The far left really have a blind spot when it comes to their futile wish to appease aggressors.

I mentioned this in the European politics thread about an element of the left, specifically in Ireland but it also applies to lots of other Western Countries like the UK, that are just so infuriating and utterly naïve (at best) or just straight up anti-western (at worst) when it comes to how they approach foreign conflicts or wars. Unless its Palestine they couldn't give a fucking toss about standing up to Authoritarianism or an invader because those invaders are anti-western which lines up with their beliefs that they are too cowardly to admit in the open.

Palestine is allowed to resist Israel and Israel should be sanctioned into the ground until its in ruins economically for what they have done for decades to the Palestinians, but Ukraine? Oh nooooo we cant have that, we need to stop arming Ukraine and push for peace, we need to make Ukraine negotiate with its invader to "protect the working class" and ohhhh what about the poor Russians in all of this? Its actually NATO's fault this all happened! Load of bullshit, i dont like NATO but with what Russia is doing right now, nearly four years of invasion, rape, torture and murder and you come off with this nonsense? Jog on

Europe needs to re-arm and build its militaries back up, this should have happened years ago but Europe was far too complacent and lazy to do it, and with a Russian agent in the white house it needs to be done now.

Unless Germany's got a nuclear weapons program in their back pocket I don't think there's much up-cannoning that'll matter.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I mentioned this in the European politics thread about an element of the left, specifically in Ireland but it also applies to lots of other Western Countries like the UK, that are just so infuriating and utterly naïve (at best) or just straight up anti-western (at worst) when it comes to how they approach foreign conflicts or wars. Unless its Palestine they couldn't give a fucking toss about standing up to Authoritarianism or an invader because those invaders are anti-western which lines up with their beliefs that they are too cowardly to admit in the open.

Palestine is allowed to resist Israel and Israel should be sanctioned into the ground until its in ruins economically for what they have done for decades to the Palestinians, but Ukraine? Oh nooooo we cant have that, we need to stop arming Ukraine and push for peace, we need to make Ukraine negotiate with its invader to "protect the working class" and ohhhh what about the poor Russians in all of this? Its actually NATO's fault this all happened! Load of bullshit, i dont like NATO but with what Russia is doing right now, nearly four years of invasion, rape, torture and murder and you come off with this nonsense? Jog on

Europe needs to re-arm and build its militaries back up, this should have happened years ago but Europe was far too complacent and lazy to do it, and with a Russian agent in the white house it needs to be done now.

Unless Germany's got a nuclear weapons program in their back pocket I don't think there's much up-cannoning that'll matter.

All Nuclear Reactors to Frankfurt.

[Imperializt Russia]

Unless Germany's got a nuclear weapons program in their back pocket I don't think there's much up-cannoning that'll matter.

All Nuclear Reactors to Frankfurt.

You both say this, and I did see in my Google news feed yesterday, but did not read it, an article headlined "UK military chiefs to government: give Germany our nuclear weapons"

Not sure entirely why, since Germany is a participatory nation in the US forward deployed nuclear arsenal already, with the B-61 fighter-deployed tactical weapon. I assume it's the generic "US unreliable partner under Trump" thing, but that forward-deployed programme has been massively renewed. All-new weapons, they've modified it to be compatible with the F-35, and allegedly, we're participating in it now.

The reason we didn't historically participate was that Britain did have its own aircraft-deployed nuclear weapon, lastly the WE.177 (also to be deployed by helicopter at sea!). This was retired following the Cold War ending for obvious reasons.

[Ifreann]

All Nuclear Reactors to Frankfurt.

You both say this, and I did see in my Google news feed yesterday, but did not read it, an article headlined "UK military chiefs to government: give Germany our nuclear weapons"

Not sure entirely why, since Germany is a participatory nation in the US forward deployed nuclear arsenal already, with the B-61 fighter-deployed tactical weapon. I assume it's the generic "US unreliable partner under Trump" thing, but that forward-deployed programme has been massively renewed. All-new weapons, they've modified it to be compatible with the F-35, and allegedly, we're participating in it now.

The reason we didn't historically participate was that Britain did have its own aircraft-deployed nuclear weapon, lastly the WE.177 (also to be deployed by helicopter at sea!). This was retired following the Cold War ending for obvious reasons.

Bring back nuke choppers!

[Imperializt Russia]

You both say this, and I did see in my Google news feed yesterday, but did not read it, an article headlined "UK military chiefs to government: give Germany our nuclear weapons"

Not sure entirely why, since Germany is a participatory nation in the US forward deployed nuclear arsenal already, with the B-61 fighter-deployed tactical weapon. I assume it's the generic "US unreliable partner under Trump" thing, but that forward-deployed programme has been massively renewed. All-new weapons, they've modified it to be compatible with the F-35, and allegedly, we're participating in it now.

The reason we didn't historically participate was that Britain did have its own aircraft-deployed nuclear weapon, lastly the WE.177 (also to be deployed by helicopter at sea!). This was retired following the Cold War ending for obvious reasons.

Bring back nuke choppers!

[Angry British noises intensify]

[The Huskar Social Union]

Nukes being deployed by helicopter is wild

[Imperializt Russia]

Nukes being deployed by helicopter is wild

yeah, if you're a pussy and give a shit about "minimum safe distance"

just be better

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[The BlAAtschApen]

Considering this is a thread on the UK


What do people in this thread think was the best British royal dynasty/house

The Wessex, Normans, Plantagenets,Stuart,Windsor,etc.

House of Orange.

Not because I am dutch, but because they only had 1 (or half, really). So (for the UK), it is barely a house. Perhaps a shed at best.

I'm not a big fan of monarchies, so the less, the better.

[Ifreann]

Nukes being deployed by helicopter is wild

yeah, if you're a pussy and give a shit about "minimum safe distance"

just be better

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Just parry, noob.