Islamism- Not that bad?

[Nihon Daiisuki Cartoons]

I think it’s a stretch to say banging a 9 year old is morally perfect.

Be careful. Traditionalists won't like your comment.

[Unogonduria]

Islam isn't that great of a religion to begin with—and that's putting it mildly—but Islamism is simply horrible.
And no, you haven't debunked the fact that Aisha was a little girl when your prophet consummated the marriage, nor the innumerable contradictions in your faith.

Not to mention that Islamists have a tendency to randomly explode.

xD

[Unogonduria]

Islam isn't that great of a religion to begin with—and that's putting it mildly—but Islamism is simply horrible.
And no, you haven't debunked the fact that Aisha was a little girl when your prophet consummated the marriage, nor the innumerable contradictions in your faith.

-She was about 15, not 9.
-Even if she was, the fact that the Prophet peace be upon him was morally the ideal human at the time negates normal qualms.
Yes, one rule for others, another for the Prophet, BECAUSE HE IS THE PROPHET.

1. Not true.
2. No, he is the perfect example for ALL of humanity - which would make pedophillia acceptable today too. Not to mention, not everywhere did children get married at the time, which would make him lowly for the 7th century as well.

[New haven america]

-She was about 15, not 9.
-Even if she was, the fact that the Prophet peace be upon him was morally the ideal human at the time negates normal qualms.
Yes, one rule for others, another for the Prophet, BECAUSE HE IS THE PROPHET.

15 is still crazy though, especially for a man who claims to share the message of god, also we have no way of knowing when Muhammad banged her since it was over 1000 years ago, but most sources put the marriage to Aisha at age 6 and the consumption at 9.

Most scholars and Hadiths all agree she was ~9-13 when he raped her consummated his child marriage.

But WEK has declared those aren't tRuE iSlAm and so invented an age he could find more defendable.

[Tombourville]

And if the parents say it’s okay. And if the 6 year old is “mentally mature”, which is straight up what the diddle defence squad claims.

And if that man is morally perfect..?
You think it's too much of a stretch to say there are different rules?

Do you…do you not see the problem here?

Either everything the Prophet does is entirely separate morality wise or he sets an example to all of humanity. It cannot be both. And if it is the latter - Islam is an openly pro-pedophilia religion. And if it is the former, then he is pointless.

[Fahran]

This might very well be a topic we should avoid discussing in immense detail. We can discuss the moral fallibility of Muhammad without tip-toeing around a forbidden topic, all y'all.

Posting as a player and thread participant, not as a mod.

[Tombourville]

This might very well be a topic we should avoid discussing in immense detail. We can discuss the moral fallibility of Muhammad without tip-toeing around a forbidden topic, all y'all.

Posting as a player and thread participant, not as a mod.

Alright. I still think that’s one of the most egregious, but I think this argument has run its course either way. We’ve established WEK thinks anything Muhammad does is good, as the pinnacle of human morality, with two equally important possibilities, neither of which is very good for his argument.

Either Muhammad is perfect, and everything he did is the model for humanity, which is…y’know.

Or

He is not, in which case he is not perfect, and moral standards do change in Islam.

[Western European Khilafat]

-She was about 15, not 9.
-Even if she was, the fact that the Prophet peace be upon him was morally the ideal human at the time negates normal qualms.
Yes, one rule for others, another for the Prophet, BECAUSE HE IS THE PROPHET.

1. Not true.
2. No, he is the perfect example for ALL of humanity - which would make pedophillia acceptable today too. Not to mention, not everywhere did children get married at the time, which would make him lowly for the 7th century as well.

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

[Tombourville]

1. Not true.
2. No, he is the perfect example for ALL of humanity - which would make pedophillia acceptable today too. Not to mention, not everywhere did children get married at the time, which would make him lowly for the 7th century as well.

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

This is sounding increasingly cult leader-like. And increasingly fucked up. And if he is the pinnacle of morality and God’s will incarnate - why did God want him to take a child wife?

[Western European Khilafat]

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

This is sounding increasingly cult leader-like. And increasingly fucked up. And if he is the pinnacle of morality and God’s will incarnate - why did God want him to take a child wife?

-Protection
-None of the risks associated with it crop up.
-Child exploitation is haram.

[Jolthig]

1. Not true.
2. No, he is the perfect example for ALL of humanity - which would make pedophillia acceptable today too. Not to mention, not everywhere did children get married at the time, which would make him lowly for the 7th century as well.

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

I've read (and of course with help of google translate) from Arabic sites that commentate on that particular thing that because Muhammad was the perfect moral example, Muslims are free to imitate him so therefore, it's Sunnah or allowed. Not a good look for Islam

[Lusitanic]

1. Not true.
2. No, he is the perfect example for ALL of humanity - which would make pedophillia acceptable today too. Not to mention, not everywhere did children get married at the time, which would make him lowly for the 7th century as well.

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

So he gets to have sex with a nine year old because he says he’s so perfect and amazing?
You know WEK, you have made my view of Islam more negative every time you talk. You’re like khardsland but for Islam, the fact you are defending child rape is disgusting.

[Unogonduria]

1. Not true.
2. No, he is the perfect example for ALL of humanity - which would make pedophillia acceptable today too. Not to mention, not everywhere did children get married at the time, which would make him lowly for the 7th century as well.

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

What the fuck is this shit man

[Jolthig]

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

What the fuck is this shit man

Islamic apologetics 101

[Lusitanic]

This is sounding increasingly cult leader-like. And increasingly fucked up. And if he is the pinnacle of morality and God’s will incarnate - why did God want him to take a child wife?

-Child exploitation is haram.

[Jolthig]

This is sounding increasingly cult leader-like. And increasingly fucked up. And if he is the pinnacle of morality and God’s will incarnate - why did God want him to take a child wife?

-Protection
-None of the risks associated with it crop up.
-Child exploitation is haram.

You might want to read up on some commentaries commentating on that famous Hadith... I dare not to say it here.

[Western European Khilafat]

Not because of his morality, marry so and so.
Because of his morality, HE, GETS TO marry so and so, he can be trusted with her.
We are imperfect and cannot.

I've read (and of course with help of google translate) from Arabic sites that commentate on that particular thing that because Muhammad was the perfect moral example, Muslims are free to imitate him so therefore, it's Sunnah or allowed. Not a good look for Islam

Yesnt.
Actions that are said to have been PERFORMED FOR THE PURPOSES OF DOING GOOD.
Not all actions.
Muhammad peace be upon him may have possibly drank water at 7:36 pm once, it doesn't mean we have to imitate that for good deeds.
That is a thing that happenedt

[Lusitanic]

I've read (and of course with help of google translate) from Arabic sites that commentate on that particular thing that because Muhammad was the perfect moral example, Muslims are free to imitate him so therefore, it's Sunnah or allowed. Not a good look for Islam

Yesnt.
Actions that are said to have been PERFORMED FOR THE PURPOSES OF DOING GOOD.
Not all actions.
Muhammad peace be upon him may have possibly drank water at 7:36 pm once, it doesn't mean we have to imitate that for good deeds.
That is a thing that happenedt

Drinking water should never be compared to having sex with a little girl.

[Jolthig]

I've read (and of course with help of google translate) from Arabic sites that commentate on that particular thing that because Muhammad was the perfect moral example, Muslims are free to imitate him so therefore, it's Sunnah or allowed. Not a good look for Islam

Yesnt.
Actions that are said to have been PERFORMED FOR THE PURPOSES OF DOING GOOD.
Not all actions.
Muhammad peace be upon him may have possibly drank water at 7:36 pm once, it doesn't mean we have to imitate that for good deeds.
That is a thing that happenedt

Check this out.

Although some scholars say the same as you, there are also many that say it's Sunnah....

Translate that through google translate or chat gtp..

[Tombourville]

Yesnt.
Actions that are said to have been PERFORMED FOR THE PURPOSES OF DOING GOOD.
Not all actions.
Muhammad peace be upon him may have possibly drank water at 7:36 pm once, it doesn't mean we have to imitate that for good deeds.
That is a thing that happenedt

Drinking water should never be compared to having sex with a little girl.

Is Muhammad being a … bad?

DID MUHAMMAD BREATHE? HE BREATHED ONCE! THAT ISN’T MORALLY GOOD, IT DOESN’T MATTER!

Insane mental gymnastics.

[The Two Jerseys]

Gee, I can't imagine why people would have a problem being subjected to a religion whose teachings boil down to "The Prophet can do no wrong, it's only immoral when you do it"...

[Armeriea]

So people are saying it’s bad because…?
How? Because you believe in a different god. I’m not a Muslim but this is absolutely ridiculous

[Jolthig]

So people are saying it’s bad because…?
How? Because you believe in a different god. I’m not a Muslim but this is absolutely ridiculous

Islamism is dumb because it forces beliefs on people who either don't want it or they question it.

[Armeriea]

So people are saying it’s bad because…?
How? Because you believe in a different god. I’m not a Muslim but this is absolutely ridiculous

Islamism is dumb because it forces beliefs on people who either don't want it or they question it.

And so does literally every other religion

[Tombourville]

So people are saying it’s bad because…?
How? Because you believe in a different god. I’m not a Muslim but this is absolutely ridiculous

We’re saying it’s bad because presently the main defender of Islam in this thread is saying marrying a 6 year old and consummating a marriage with her when she’s 9 is fine because if the Prophet did it then it’s okay. As long as it’s him, and they’re sure the kid was “mentally mature”.