American Politics Thread: Mamdani's Big Fat Win

[Umeria]

No illegal aliens should get a fucking dime in welfare.

Dude there are like fucking children man. They come here since their countries barely have anything for work, man.

But think of the principles!!!! We must watch every penny like a hawk!!!! Please ignore that we just passed a private jet tax break.

[Jolthig]

Dude there are like fucking children man. They come here since their countries barely have anything for work, man.

But think of the principles!!!! We must watch every penny like a hawk!!!! Please ignore that we just passed a private jet tax break.

Private jets are people too!

[Len Hyet]

My point is that this is what happens over and over again. A specific term, which regardless of whether anyone feels is insulting or not insulting, is sufficiently specific so as to be useful becomes the object of discussion instead of the actual underlying issue. So no, I don't have a problem with language changing, but I do mind that this is a rut that we keep getting stuck in over and over again.

So the N-Bomb is acceptable as long as long as it’s used to discuss an underlying issue? Interesting.

It clearly is acceptable in certain circumstances, so yes. If the obvious intent is to disparage, then it's not appropriate, which for that word yes does cover most of how it could be used on NSG. But let's not pretend that "illegal alien" and the n-word have equal, or even remotely close, connotations. As some comedian once said, if you're arguing about how bad two words are, and you won't say one of them, that's the worse word.

As mentioned “illegal alien” implies a criminal offense rather than a civil offense.

Anything from the 50s or before is worthy of an update if needed.

Sure, but that's not the topic of discussion is it? Hence my frustration.

[New-Minneapolis]

I believe that illegal aliens shouldn’t get resources for disabled and low income American citizens.

Not how it works. There is no magic switch that says "illegal immigrants get welfare - On/Off". You have add paperwork and purges that will guarantee US citizens get cut off as well.

The practical consequence of what you're saying is "We should leave disabled and low income American citizens to die and give the savings to Elon Musk."

There should be some process to ensure welfare doesn’t go to illegal aliens or those that don’t need it.

[San Lumen]

Not how it works. There is no magic switch that says "illegal immigrants get welfare - On/Off". You have add paperwork and purges that will guarantee US citizens get cut off as well.

The practical consequence of what you're saying is "We should leave disabled and low income American citizens to die and give the savings to Elon Musk."

There should be some process to ensure welfare doesn’t go to illegal aliens or those that don’t need it.

It does not go to illegals.

You also think Democrats should throw trans people under the bus. Who else should throw under the bus in attempt to win over people?

[New-Minneapolis]

There should be some process to ensure welfare doesn’t go to illegal aliens or those that don’t need it.

It does not go to illegals.

You also think Democrats should throw trans people under the bus. Who else should throw under the bus in attempt to win over people?

“Throw trans people under the bus”

You mean stopping the transing of gay kids and affirming that they’re only two genders

[Jolthig]

It does not go to illegals.

You also think Democrats should throw trans people under the bus. Who else should throw under the bus in attempt to win over people?

“Throw trans people under the bus”

You mean stopping the transing of gay kids and affirming that they’re only two genders

Sexuality is as complex as gender man.

[New-Minneapolis]

“Throw trans people under the bus”

You mean stopping the transing of gay kids and affirming that they’re only two genders

Sexuality is as complex as gender man.

Stop transing gay kids

[San Lumen]

It does not go to illegals.

You also think Democrats should throw trans people under the bus. Who else should throw under the bus in attempt to win over people?

“Throw trans people under the bus”

You mean stopping the transing of gay kids and affirming that they’re only two genders

what do you think is happening? I agree there should be some reform but you saying they should literally abandon the trans community. What's next they abandon standing up for legal residents?

what does transing gay kids even mean?

[Nilokeras]

Seems to be just part of welfare for low income individuals. Also, undocumented children still get Medicaid.

No illegal aliens should get a fucking dime in welfare.

so they should pay taxes but not draw from social programs? weird double standard

[Jolthig]

Sexuality is as complex as gender man.

Stop transing gay kids

Are every single trans individual gay? Cuz I'm gynesexual.

[San Lumen]

No illegal aliens should get a fucking dime in welfare.

so they should pay taxes but not draw from social programs? weird double standard

what's the point of becoming a citizen if you get all the rights and privileges of one?

[Umeria]

Not how it works. There is no magic switch that says "illegal immigrants get welfare - On/Off". You have add paperwork and purges that will guarantee US citizens get cut off as well.

The practical consequence of what you're saying is "We should leave disabled and low income American citizens to die and give the savings to Elon Musk."

There should be some process to ensure welfare doesn’t go to illegal aliens or those that don’t need it.

Well gosh, why didn't anyone think of that before! Just have a process!

You can either be strict or lenient. A strict approach will exclude deserving applicants and a lenient approach will include undeserving applicants. The choice is between spending a little extra money in the richest country in the world, and letting poor and disabled Americans starve. A civilized nation would choose the former.

[Nilokeras]

so they should pay taxes but not draw from social programs? weird double standard

what's the point of becoming a citizen if you get all the rights and privileges of one?

... so they shouldn't pay taxes?

[Washington Resistance Army]

“Throw trans people under the bus”

You mean stopping the transing of gay kids and affirming that they’re only two genders

what do you think is happening? I agree there should be some reform but you saying they should literally abandon the trans community. What's next they abandon standing up for legal residents?

what does transing gay kids even mean?

It refers to the belief that anyone who exists outside of inherently masculine or feminine roles is immediately assumed to be trans and pushed towards that nowadays. I'm not really involved in the LGBT community much so I can't say if it's a real thing or not, but I have seen a fair few gay folks talk about it online.

[New-Minneapolis]

Stop transing gay kids

Are every single trans individual gay? Cuz I'm gynesexual.

I’m serious. Trans activists are doing a form of conversion therapy on proto-gay kids

[New-Minneapolis]

what do you think is happening? I agree there should be some reform but you saying they should literally abandon the trans community. What's next they abandon standing up for legal residents?

what does transing gay kids even mean?

It refers to the belief that anyone who exists outside of inherently masculine or feminine roles is immediately assumed to be trans and pushed towards that nowadays. I'm not really involved in the LGBT community much so I can't say if it's a real thing or not, but I have seen a fair few gay folks talk about it online.

It absolutely is happening.

And the homophobia with their insistence to shame those they have hardline innate “genital preferences”

[Jolthig]

Are every single trans individual gay? Cuz I'm gynesexual.

I’m serious. Trans activists are doing a form of conversion therapy on proto-gay kids

....or that people are already eggs. People can be whoever they wish to be.

[San Lumen]

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna218823

Republicans confirm the first judge of Trump’s second term — and she’s a doozy

During an exchange with Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware during her confirmation hearing, Hermandorfer conceded that she’d never served as sole or chief counsel in any case, tried to a jury verdict; never served as sole or chief counsel in any case tried to a final judgment; never personally engaged in direct examinations in federal court; never personally engaged in cross-examinations in federal court; never taken depositions; and never defended depositions.

In a sane country this nomination would have been rejected.

[Jolthig]

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-judges-whitney-hermandorfer-rcna218823

Republicans confirm the first judge of Trump’s second term — and she’s a doozy

During an exchange with Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware during her confirmation hearing, Hermandorfer conceded that she’d never served as sole or chief counsel in any case, tried to a jury verdict; never served as sole or chief counsel in any case tried to a final judgment; never personally engaged in direct examinations in federal court; never personally engaged in cross-examinations in federal court; never taken depositions; and never defended depositions.

In a sane country this nomination would have been rejected.

And sadly she'll probably get nominated. The same tactic Republicans are using before Democrats any inevitably take seats in midterms next year.

[San Lumen]

It refers to the belief that anyone who exists outside of inherently masculine or feminine roles is immediately assumed to be trans and pushed towards that nowadays. I'm not really involved in the LGBT community much so I can't say if it's a real thing or not, but I have seen a fair few gay folks talk about it online.

It absolutely is happening.

And the homophobia with their insistence to shame those they have hardline innate “genital preferences”

this simply is not true. Your implying that anyone who's gay is pushed towards being trans.

Online is not a valid source. This is like saying almost all of Kathy Hochul's facebook comments are negative so she is guaranteed to lose reelection next year.

[San Lumen]

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-judges-whitney-hermandorfer-rcna218823

Republicans confirm the first judge of Trump’s second term — and she’s a doozy

During an exchange with Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware during her confirmation hearing, Hermandorfer conceded that she’d never served as sole or chief counsel in any case, tried to a jury verdict; never served as sole or chief counsel in any case tried to a final judgment; never personally engaged in direct examinations in federal court; never personally engaged in cross-examinations in federal court; never taken depositions; and never defended depositions.

In a sane country this nomination would have been rejected.

And sadly she'll probably get nominated. The same tactic Republicans are using before Democrats any inevitably take seats in midterms next year.

she was confirmed.

[Jolthig]

And sadly she'll probably get nominated. The same tactic Republicans are using before Democrats any inevitably take seats in midterms next year.

she was confirmed.

As usual. Trump complained Biden was gonna pack the court in 2020, but he's doing the same shit he accused him of.

[Nilokeras]

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-judges-whitney-hermandorfer-rcna218823

Republicans confirm the first judge of Trump’s second term — and she’s a doozy

During an exchange with Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware during her confirmation hearing, Hermandorfer conceded that she’d never served as sole or chief counsel in any case, tried to a jury verdict; never served as sole or chief counsel in any case tried to a final judgment; never personally engaged in direct examinations in federal court; never personally engaged in cross-examinations in federal court; never taken depositions; and never defended depositions.

In a sane country this nomination would have been rejected.

a confirmation vote along party lines, 46 yay to 42 nay.

a vote that would not have passed had five Democrats who did not show up voted. Those Democrats were: Fetterman (D-PA), Murray (D-WA), Rosen (D-NV), Slotkin (D-MI) and Welch (D-VT).

but remember, there's absolutely nothing that the Democrats can do to oppose these things. stop asking!

[San Lumen]

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-judges-whitney-hermandorfer-rcna218823

Republicans confirm the first judge of Trump’s second term — and she’s a doozy

During an exchange with Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware during her confirmation hearing, Hermandorfer conceded that she’d never served as sole or chief counsel in any case, tried to a jury verdict; never served as sole or chief counsel in any case tried to a final judgment; never personally engaged in direct examinations in federal court; never personally engaged in cross-examinations in federal court; never taken depositions; and never defended depositions.

In a sane country this nomination would have been rejected.

a confirmation vote along party lines, 46 yay to 42 nay.

a vote that would not have passed had five Democrats who did not show up voted. Those Democrats were: Fetterman (D-PA), Murray (D-WA), Rosen (D-NV), Slotkin (D-MI) and Welch (D-VT).

but remember, there's absolutely nothing that the Democrats can do to oppose these things. stop asking!

I want to know what they were doing that was so important they couldn't show up to vote.