Why are people so obsessed about how others live life?

[South Poopistan]

The question here is a bit loaded. The implication seems to be opposition to a particular facet of the LGBT+ community is an unhealthy obsession with how others live their lives. This is demonstrably incorrect, for instance in occasions where LGBT+ related activities have seemingly been prioritised over reading or mathematics, for instance. By this I mean examples of experiences such as drag queens being presented to elementary schoolers. Even if one were to say that drag queens are not inherently sexual and thus not unsuitable for children, there is the consideration of whether or not taxpayer dollars should be spent on that, as opposed to alleviating illiteracy or inability to do basic math. I also question the educational value of such an experience. While I do not have any objections to the existence of the community, I do believe that there has been a certain level of over concern about its rights, given that it has been mostly normalised in the majority of countries. It might be more advisable to focus on areas where homosexuality and/or transsexuality (apologies if this is not the correct term) are explicitly not allowed to live, for instance in regimes that enforce Shia law. I also question whether the current discussion of religion, profoundly interesting as it is, is relevant to the question at hand.

Edit: Added explanation of edit and clarification of sentence regarding drag queens.

brother are you against children being exposed to new experiences that won't harm them
also there's a little thing called assemblies the vast majority of schools have and i'm willing to bet most of the drag queen stuff happens during those, when no math would be getting done anyway

Because it isn’t “how others live life”, it’s that weird habits and other kinds of perversions are trying to be brute-force passed off as normal, with anyone who questions or resists somehow branded as the weird one?

“You don’t want your kids being exposed to drag queens or books depicting gay sex? That’s so weird!”

how are drag queens weird. also no children's books, like, ever depict gay sex??? then they wouldn't be children's books???
Also, I'm not gonna quote any of Heldervin's posts because they are prohibitively massive even with his liberal use of snipping (only liberal thing the guy probably does) but I don't think stealing a couple bucks from your friend or whatever should force someone into eternal damnation. Seems a bit extreme, eh?

[Three Galaxies]

Well, it's not cool to steal money from your friend, but Heldervin's standards are way too high. As far as he's concerned, everyone is going to Hell. Me, you, himself - all are sinners.

[Bienenhalde]

Because it isn’t “how others live life”, it’s that weird habits and other kinds of perversions are trying to be brute-force passed off as normal, with anyone who questions or resists somehow branded as the weird one?

If you are opposed to weird habits and other kinds of perversions being passed off as normal, then why are you okay with Degenerate Donald and his "locker-room talk"?

[Heldervin]

It is entirely relevant, you said we should live in a Buddhist society, so by that means we are not saved since there were no means of salvation.

Again, it most certainly isn't relevant. We're trying to talk about why we should care what other people do and here you are obsessing about a Jew being hung on a stick somehow meaning that everyone is saved. Please actually reply to my post now.

I am replying to your post, you said we should live in a Buddhist society and I countered that.

Well, it's not cool to steal money from your friend, but Heldervin's standards are way too high. As far as he's concerned, everyone is going to Hell. Me, you, himself - all are sinners.

I didn't say everyone is going to Hell, I said we all deserve Hell. Don't twist my words.

[Three Galaxies]

Again, it most certainly isn't relevant. We're trying to talk about why we should care what other people do and here you are obsessing about a Jew being hung on a stick somehow meaning that everyone is saved. Please actually reply to my post now.

I am replying to your post, you said we should live in a Buddhist society and I countered that.

Well, it's not cool to steal money from your friend, but Heldervin's standards are way too high. As far as he's concerned, everyone is going to Hell. Me, you, himself - all are sinners.

I didn't say everyone is going to Hell, I said we all deserve Hell. Don't twist my words.

You deserve Hell too?

If that's the way you think, perhaps you should find a new religion.

[South Poopistan]

Because it isn’t “how others live life”, it’s that weird habits and other kinds of perversions are trying to be brute-force passed off as normal, with anyone who questions or resists somehow branded as the weird one?

If you are opposed to weird habits and other kinds of perversions being passed off as normal, then why are you okay with Degenerate Donald and his "locker-room talk"?

real shit lmao

[Heldervin]

I am replying to your post, you said we should live in a Buddhist society and I countered that.

I didn't say everyone is going to Hell, I said we all deserve Hell. Don't twist my words.

You deserve Hell too?

If that's the way you think, perhaps you should find a new religion.

Yes, yes I do. But Jesus died for my sins, and very few (if indeed any) religions have it where God is willing to take your punishment instead of you taking it.

[Cornelius Martini]

Yes, yes I do. But Jesus died for my sins, and very few (if indeed any) religions have it where God is willing to take your punishment instead of you taking it.

There is no proof that out of 3000 Gods worshipped by humans, yours is the correct one.
Also, as a theologian, your claim about other religions being unlikely to forgive sins, is completely inaccurate

[Three Galaxies]

You deserve Hell too?

If that's the way you think, perhaps you should find a new religion.

Yes, yes I do. But Jesus died for my sins, and very few (if indeed any) religions have it where God is willing to take your punishment instead of you taking it.

Make your own religion like I did. Problem solved.

[Necroghastia]

It is real, but because we sin we deserve Hell.

You know what I'm gonna say.

Yes, I can, anything can be moral. The Nazis did it.

And most of the rest of the world denounced what they did. The problem with these snips you do is you cut out things like where I mentioned peer reviewing that shit.

It's only been 20 minutes, and one of them is over 20 minutes in and of itself; you didn't watch them all the way through, because you continue in disbelief.

Let me know when you have empircal evidence, not the mere word of some random evangelist.

No, you don't. We can't measure the Big Bang or observe it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Observational_evidence
As for the currently unsolved questions, that's the point of continued research. We don't just shrug and say "God did it" when we don't know.

It is not denunciation of anyone.

How is it not? You're telling people they're going to suffer eternally for something in which there is no demonstrable victim.

No, I am not using it to oppress, that would be as if I went on an execution spree against LGBTQ+ people.

You're saying you worship an entity that has no problem roasting them eternally, and bview it as your calling to stick your nose where it isn't wanted to save them from that entirely hypothetical entity.

[Heldervin]

-snip-

There is no proof there is no God either, mind you. Or that any other god is true.

I never said a religion is unlikely to forgive sin; I was talking about God being willing to die for them.

-snip-

And then how is yours supposed to be true, when it is only a product of the mind?

-snip-

Which is?

There is no problem with snipping; I don't have to respond to every single thing, mind you.

That is empirical evidence, I'm convinced you never watched them. How could you have, when a mute spirit left a child, and a demon was cast out. These are miracles that you are calling lies.

How in the world are you going to say that that is evidence specifically for the Big Bang? All of the phenomena could have come by other means. And science doesn't even contradict what is said in Genesis either, mind you. God worked through processes like evolution.

They are the victim of their own suffering, and it is only telling the truth.

He does have a problem; in fact it breaks his heart, but if I'm being deliberately obstinate and not listening to what you're saying then you would get sick and tired too.

[Necroghastia]

There is no proof there is no God either, mind you.

Not how it works. Burden of proof lies with the one making the positive "there is" claim.

Which is?

No one deserves eternal suffering.

That is empirical evidence, I'm convinced you never watched them. How could you have, when a mute spirit left a child, and a demon was cast out. These are miracles that you are calling lies.

Because there's no evidence of that actually happening.

How in the world are you going to say that that is evidence specifically for the Big Bang? All of the phenomena could have come by other means. And science doesn't even contradict what is said in Genesis either, mind you. God worked through processes like evolution.

We're getting into a more theological debate than I think is appropriate for the thread, but suffice to say the order as recounted in Genesis is a little whack, and I welcome you providing evidence for the alternate means.

They are the victim of their own suffering, and it is only telling the truth.

How is anyone victimized? And before you say "hell," why is being LGBTQ+ so bad it deserves punishment? Just because your god said so?

He does have a problem; in fact it breaks his heart, but if I'm being deliberately obstinate and not listening to what you're saying then you would get sick and tired too.

If he really gave a shit he wouldn't sentence people to eternal suffering for something that is only wrong because he allegedly said so. Your god sounds less like a benevolent entity and more like an abuser.

[Cornelius Martini]

-snip-

There is no proof there is no God either, mind you. Or that any other god is true.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof lies on the claimant.
This is a Reductio ad absurdum fallacy and a False equivalence fallacy and a Moving goalpost fallacy

[Three Galaxies]

-snip-

There is no proof there is no God either, mind you. Or that any other god is true.

I never said a religion is unlikely to forgive sin; I was talking about God being willing to die for them.

-snip-

And then how is yours supposed to be true, when it is only a product of the mind?

-snip-

Which is?

There is no problem with snipping; I don't have to respond to every single thing, mind you.

That is empirical evidence, I'm convinced you never watched them. How could you have, when a mute spirit left a child, and a demon was cast out. These are miracles that you are calling lies.

How in the world are you going to say that that is evidence specifically for the Big Bang? All of the phenomena could have come by other means. And science doesn't even contradict what is said in Genesis either, mind you. God worked through processes like evolution.

They are the victim of their own suffering, and it is only telling the truth.

He does have a problem; in fact it breaks his heart, but if I'm being deliberately obstinate and not listening to what you're saying then you would get sick and tired too.

There is no concrete proof that Christianity is the true one either. It's a product of someone else's mind. What Shoddycast's the Storyteller said about undiscovered lands also applies to the afterlife, and which one is correct. "Only one way to find out: Go see for yourself".

Plus, I've made my own religion more comfortable by not explicitly adding an afterlife. That way I don't have to worry about an eternity of boredom in a Heaven-ish place, but I also don't have to fear an eternity of suffering in a place that looks like the Black Lodge from Twin Peaks.

[Kilichloom]

I am replying to your post, you said we should live in a Buddhist society and I countered that.

I didn't say everyone is going to Hell, I said we all deserve Hell. Don't twist my words.

You deserve Hell too?

If that's the way you think, perhaps you should find a new religion.

not to be rude, but your taking it out of context, in christianity, everybody deserves hell because they sinned, the only way we believe you can get to heaven is if you accept Jesus as your lord and savior, because he died for our sins

[Heldervin]

-snip-

Burden of proof also lies with the one who says 'there is not'.

Yes, we do.

How is a child supposed to fake being mute at six years old? How is a person supposed to fake the symptoms caused by the demon within her? This is not easily fakeable content.

And how is it out of whack? You can't take everything at face value in the Bible, especially in the Old Testament. Mind you again, I already said that in the original Hebrew, 'yom' both means 'day' and 'a general time period'.

First and foremost, LGBTQ+ does not exclusively deserve punishment; every sin does. But LGBTQ+ is continuous sin.

See above. And furthermore, let me ask you a question. How do you know someone loves you? And don't try to circumnavigate the question, either.

-snip-

You make the claim that my God is false, so you must prove such too. This is not reductio ad absurdum.

-snip-

Yes, there is. I will ask you the same question I asked Necroghastia; how do you know someone loves you?

Furthermore, why are you fearing suffering if you determine what is sinful and what is not?

[New Halo]

maybe your obsessed

[Cornelius Martini]

-snip-

Burden of proof also lies with the one who says 'there is not'.

-snip-

You make the claim that my God is false, so you must prove such too. This is not reductio ad absurdum.

are you dense?
why cant you get it through your head that the burden of proof lies on YOU, and you only?!

[Three Galaxies]

-snip-

Burden of proof also lies with the one who says 'there is not'.

Yes, we do.

How is a child supposed to fake being mute at six years old? How is a person supposed to fake the symptoms caused by the demon within her? This is not easily fakeable content.

And how is it out of whack? You can't take everything at face value in the Bible, especially in the Old Testament. Mind you again, I already said that in the original Hebrew, 'yom' both means 'day' and 'a general time period'.

First and foremost, LGBTQ+ does not exclusively deserve punishment; every sin does. But LGBTQ+ is continuous sin.

See above. And furthermore, let me ask you a question. How do you know someone loves you? And don't try to circumnavigate the question, either.

-snip-

You make the claim that my God is false, so you must prove such too. This is not reductio ad absurdum.

-snip-

Yes, there is. I will ask you the same question I asked Necroghastia; how do you know someone loves you?

Furthermore, why are you fearing suffering if you determine what is sinful and what is not?

I probably feared an eternity of suffering when I was a young Lutheran, but since I'm now a free woman with my own spiritual rules, I don't need to fear.

[Heldervin]

-snip-

I am not dense, now are you done with the silly insults? You too make a claim, so you too must prove your claim. Just because a scientist can't prove why their theory is correct doesn't mean the other theory is correct; the other theory must be proved if the other scientist is going to make the claim.

-snip-

Then why in the world are you afraid to make an afterlife, if you will go to Heaven? Because you know that your belief is false, but you have a hardened heart and will not admit it.

[Nilokeras]

First and foremost, LGBTQ+ does not exclusively deserve punishment; every sin does. But LGBTQ+ is continuous sin.

life is continuous sin. it's part of the human condition in Christian teachings. it is a monumental vanity, and itself a sin, to think that LGBT people are somehow worse sinners than any of the rest of us, who lie and steal and ignore each others' sufferings and inflict cruelties on each other on a routine basis.

[Cornelius Martini]

-snip-

I am not dense, now are you done with the silly insults? You too make a claim, so you too must prove your claim. Just because a scientist can't prove why their theory is correct doesn't mean the other theory is correct; the other theory must be proved if the other scientist is going to make the claim.

thats a false equivalence
it is impossible to prove a god does not exist, and it impossible to prove a god exists. and if you had enough intelligence to follow rational logic, you would agree that it is silly to think god exists.

[Three Galaxies]

-snip-

I am not dense, now are you done with the silly insults? You too make a claim, so you too must prove your claim. Just because a scientist can't prove why their theory is correct doesn't mean the other theory is correct; the other theory must be proved if the other scientist is going to make the claim.

-snip-

Then why in the world are you afraid to make an afterlife, if you will go to Heaven? Because you know that your belief is false, but you have a hardened heart and will not admit it.

A false belief? That's rich, coming from the guy who thinks people like me will go to Hell just for being gay and trans. Well, guess what? We won't deny what we are.

[Necroghastia]

-snip-

Burden of proof also lies with the one who says 'there is not'.

Nope.

Yes, we do.

Why?

How is a child supposed to fake being mute at six years old? How is a person supposed to fake the symptoms caused by the demon within her? This is not easily fakeable content.

Child actors are nothing new.

First and foremost, LGBTQ+ does not exclusively deserve punishment; every sin does. But LGBTQ+ is continuous sin.

You still didn't actually answer the question of why it's a sin.

How do you know someone loves you?

Evidence through word and deed.

[Selentines]

Because the decisions that other people make about their lives can affect how other other people (or ourselves) make decisions. Most of us aren't strong and intelligent enough not to be subject to peer pressure. For example if pessimism is really popular to talk about that's good for pessimists, but are you comfortable with those ideas coming for your family members who will read them, maybe begin to feel like their lives are meaningless and make poor decisions or live in a life-neglecting way because of it?