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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:20 am

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I'm not sure what that's got to do with me. We were talking about government policy in regards to transgender people, the enforcement of is distinctly not a "hate crime".

No, we were talking more broadly about the culture war in general. The only one who mentioned the government specifically was you.


The "culture war" is an ideological conflict over government policy.

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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:22 am

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Yeah, like when they infiltrated the civil rights movement and placed informations in those groups so they could influence and organize the assassination of civil rights leaders like Malcolm X and MLK and Fred Hampton.

You know, Gestapo shit.

Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. Or FBI agents when trying to get info. It's a very efficient way of tracking down criminals.


Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?
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Postby Yerachmeal » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:22 am

The Anti-Delegate wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I'm not sure what that's got to do with me. We were talking about government policy in regards to transgender people, the enforcement of is distinctly not a "hate crime".

No, we were talking more broadly about the culture war in general. The only one who mentioned the government specifically was you.

Actually it started out about the government, or more specifically Trump going after Newsom for alloya trans woman to compete.
Ifreann wrote:Returning to this, Trump is blaming Gavin "Newscum" for a trans girl getting some wins at an athletics meet recently and is threatening to levy fines on the state. Capitulating to the right isn't even working!
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:22 am

American Legionaries wrote:
The Anti-Delegate wrote:No, we were talking more broadly about the culture war in general. The only one who mentioned the government specifically was you.


The "culture war" is an ideological conflict over government policy.


"Culture war" is a distraction/division method used by wealthy sociopaths to get gullible people to work against their own self interest.
*Capabilities in our factbook are relative to present day standards. In relation to the nation that might be reading this, just scale according to your time period, scale, or setting.*
*The following was carved into the bloody back of a headless corpse at the center of a massive corn maze*
Blood flows, like sap from the stalks, and Corn watches from the fields of blood and battle. I stand in the golden sea, my hands stained with blood. Corn cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it mingles with the soil, that it feeds the roots of the endless harvest.
Skulls for the husks, blood for the kernels! The fields will grow tall, and Corn’s name will be sung forever.
WAR FOREVER!! THE HARVEST IS ENDLESS! BLOOD FOR THE HARVEST! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:23 am

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-new-n ... s-leaders/

Fuck this racist, neo-nazi, drunken moron we have as Secretary of Defense.

Pete Hegseth is an enemy of the American people. A fascist, a drunk, an idiot and a racist.
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*The following was carved into the bloody back of a headless corpse at the center of a massive corn maze*
Blood flows, like sap from the stalks, and Corn watches from the fields of blood and battle. I stand in the golden sea, my hands stained with blood. Corn cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it mingles with the soil, that it feeds the roots of the endless harvest.
Skulls for the husks, blood for the kernels! The fields will grow tall, and Corn’s name will be sung forever.
WAR FOREVER!! THE HARVEST IS ENDLESS! BLOOD FOR THE HARVEST! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

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Postby The Anti-Delegate » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:24 am

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. Or FBI agents when trying to get info. It's a very efficient way of tracking down criminals.


Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?

arrested for the crime of horny
American Legionaries wrote:
The Anti-Delegate wrote:No, we were talking more broadly about the culture war in general. The only one who mentioned the government specifically was you.


The "culture war" is an ideological conflict over government policy.

The culture war is about two cultures in conflict with each other. Specifically the "good" christian conservative culture and the culture that things being gay is fine. It's not specifically about the government just because you guys got one of your own in power with it.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:25 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
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I don't think they can do that either.

You've never heard of undercover cops?

Police and FBI agents have certainly played roles as fictional people.

Cops going undercover is a different thing than cops lying to gain access to property they would otherwise need a warrant to enter.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:26 am

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
The "culture war" is an ideological conflict over government policy.


"Culture war" is a distraction/division method used by wealthy sociopaths to get gullible people to work against their own self interest.


Unfortunately, what you think people ought to be interested in isn't what they're actually interested in.

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Postby The Anti-Delegate » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:You've never heard of undercover cops?

Police and FBI agents have certainly played roles as fictional people.

Cops going undercover is a different thing than cops lying to gain access to property they would otherwise need a warrant to enter.

And then arresting and disappearing people with no due process and thus no requirement of actually having to have any evidence that the detainee did anything wrong.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:27 am

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. Or FBI agents when trying to get info. It's a very efficient way of tracking down criminals.


Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?

Not sure how it's terrorizing minorities or killing leaders. And yes I think it's a good thing in the vein that they are enforcing the law. In places where people prostitution is illegal, the police should most certainly enforce that.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal, that is to say I have mixed opinions on it, but the point is that the police should absolutely have the right to uncover crime.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:27 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Yeah, like when they infiltrated the civil rights movement and placed informations in those groups so they could influence and organize the assassination of civil rights leaders like Malcolm X and MLK and Fred Hampton.

You know, Gestapo shit.

Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. Or FBI agents when trying to get info. It's a very efficient way of tracking down criminals.


So vice working the streets….FBI agents looking into alleged crimes….is the same as lying to get into somebodies property because there might be Mexicans there?

You really have a weird way of justifying things.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:27 am

The Anti-Delegate wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?

arrested for the crime of horny
American Legionaries wrote:
The "culture war" is an ideological conflict over government policy.

The culture war is about two cultures in conflict with each other. Specifically the "good" christian conservative culture and the culture that things being gay is fine. It's not specifically about the government just because you guys got one of your own in power with it.


Cultural conflict is always resolved by government policy.

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Postby Valrifall » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:27 am

American Legionaries wrote:
The Anti-Delegate wrote:arrested for the crime of horny

The culture war is about two cultures in conflict with each other. Specifically the "good" christian conservative culture and the culture that things being gay is fine. It's not specifically about the government just because you guys got one of your own in power with it.


Cultural conflict is always resolved by government policy.


Not true, there's also genocide.
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:28 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
"Culture war" is a distraction/division method used by wealthy sociopaths to get gullible people to work against their own self interest.


Unfortunately, what you think people ought to be interested in isn't what they're actually interested in.


Oh believe me. People are interested in their material well being and the material well being of their families.

They are just also vulnerable to propaganda and misdirection and our oligarchs have gotten VERY VERY good at manipulating people.
*Capabilities in our factbook are relative to present day standards. In relation to the nation that might be reading this, just scale according to your time period, scale, or setting.*
*The following was carved into the bloody back of a headless corpse at the center of a massive corn maze*
Blood flows, like sap from the stalks, and Corn watches from the fields of blood and battle. I stand in the golden sea, my hands stained with blood. Corn cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it mingles with the soil, that it feeds the roots of the endless harvest.
Skulls for the husks, blood for the kernels! The fields will grow tall, and Corn’s name will be sung forever.
WAR FOREVER!! THE HARVEST IS ENDLESS! BLOOD FOR THE HARVEST! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:28 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?

Not sure how it's terrorizing minorities or killing leaders. And yes I think it's a good thing in the vein that they are enforcing the law. In places where people prostitution is illegal, the police should most certainly enforce that.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal, that is to say I have mixed opinions on it, but the point is that the police should absolutely have the right to uncover crime.


So you are cool with the police searching your car and home because they think you committed a crime?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Anti-Delegate » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:28 am

Valrifall wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Cultural conflict is always resolved by government policy.


Not true, there's also genocide.

Which is what they're looking for, after they get all the discriminatory practices down first.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:29 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?

Not sure how it's terrorizing minorities or killing leaders. And yes I think it's a good thing in the vein that they are enforcing the law. In places where people prostitution is illegal, the police should most certainly enforce that.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal, that is to say I have mixed opinions on it, but the point is that the police should absolutely have the right to uncover crime.

Cops lying to avoid getting a warrant isn't the same as going undercover.
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We are born of the salt, we are children of the sea
We don't bend our knee to no king or country
So we hoist the Jolly Roger, the colours of the free
And if we hit the gallows that's the way that it must be

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:29 am

Valrifall wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Cultural conflict is always resolved by government policy.


Not true, there's also genocide.


Just because he mentioned rounding up democrats………….
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:29 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?

Not sure how it's terrorizing minorities or killing leaders. And yes I think it's a good thing in the vein that they are enforcing the law. In places where people prostitution is illegal, the police should most certainly enforce that.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal, that is to say I have mixed opinions on it, but the point is that the police should absolutely have the right to uncover crime.


Undercover is different from pretending to be something your not to gain access somewhere you'd need a warrant. That is illegal.

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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:29 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Certainly a very efficient way of invading the privacy of American citizens, terrorizing minorities, killing our leaders, and violating our civil rights.

"Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. "

Do you think this is a good thing?

Not sure how it's terrorizing minorities or killing leaders. And yes I think it's a good thing in the vein that they are enforcing the law. In places where people prostitution is illegal, the police should most certainly enforce that.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal, that is to say I have mixed opinions on it, but the point is that the police should absolutely have the right to uncover crime.


You're "not sure" how it's doing that? Read your history about all the times they have done that.

They have the right to uncover crime within the bounds of the US constitution while respecting the privacy, speech, and personal property of American citizens.
*Capabilities in our factbook are relative to present day standards. In relation to the nation that might be reading this, just scale according to your time period, scale, or setting.*
*The following was carved into the bloody back of a headless corpse at the center of a massive corn maze*
Blood flows, like sap from the stalks, and Corn watches from the fields of blood and battle. I stand in the golden sea, my hands stained with blood. Corn cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it mingles with the soil, that it feeds the roots of the endless harvest.
Skulls for the husks, blood for the kernels! The fields will grow tall, and Corn’s name will be sung forever.
WAR FOREVER!! THE HARVEST IS ENDLESS! BLOOD FOR THE HARVEST! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:30 am

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Unfortunately, what you think people ought to be interested in isn't what they're actually interested in.


Oh believe me. People are interested in their material well being and the material well being of their families.

They are just also vulnerable to propaganda and misdirection and our oligarchs have gotten VERY VERY good at manipulating people.


So it's misdirection when people prioritize the well being of their families? Seems counterintuitive...

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Postby The Anti-Delegate » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:31 am

When the police suspect a crime is going down consistently in a place, they get a fucking warrant. That's how it works. They don't get to just barge in or pretend to be a civilian and jump out at the last second.
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Postby The Anti-Delegate » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:31 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Oh believe me. People are interested in their material well being and the material well being of their families.

They are just also vulnerable to propaganda and misdirection and our oligarchs have gotten VERY VERY good at manipulating people.


So it's misdirection when people prioritize the well being of their families? Seems counterintuitive...

oh fucking woe is me the gay people exist in my vision ahhhhh this is so bad for my wellbeing 100% aaaaaaa
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Postby Yerachmeal » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:32 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Or a police woman playing prostitute to arrest males who go for it. Or FBI agents when trying to get info. It's a very efficient way of tracking down criminals.


So vice working the streets….FBI agents looking into alleged crimes….is the same as lying to get into somebodies property because their might be Mexicans there?

You really have a weird way of justifying things.

I'm not really justifying it since it wasn't legal as far as I know, ice officials aren't actually allowed to. I'm just arguing that they should be allowed to.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:32 am

San Lumen wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Not sure how it's terrorizing minorities or killing leaders. And yes I think it's a good thing in the vein that they are enforcing the law. In places where people prostitution is illegal, the police should most certainly enforce that.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal, that is to say I have mixed opinions on it, but the point is that the police should absolutely have the right to uncover crime.


Undercover is different from pretending to be something your not to gain access somewhere you'd need a warrant. That is illegal.


Pretending to be someone you're not to gain access to places you would otherwise need a warrant to forcibly search is literally exactly what being undercover is...

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