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Alcohol
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Cannabis
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Hallucinogens
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Stimulants
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Opioids
18
39%
None/Illicit substaces should be legal
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Postby Rernian » Thu May 08, 2025 12:36 pm

The closest thing I take to drugs is Zrytec for allergies, and that even makes me kind of weird. Stuff like weed is fine, but meth and heroin are a step to far. I have a friend who takes cannabis instead of alcohol, and he's normally fine most of the time.
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Postby RusFor » Thu May 08, 2025 12:37 pm

The Anti-Delegate wrote:
RusFor wrote:you didnt do anything wrong, im just worried if i do...do i like...ask a doctor or something?

were you not already seeing a psychologist or a therapist or something

I mean...no, I think therapy is a shitty scam ;-;
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Postby Western Theram » Thu May 08, 2025 12:41 pm

RusFor wrote:
Western Theram wrote:No sorry I was just saying that I guess I kinda share your experience? Sorry I just kinda spat that out there with no explanation lol

you didnt do anything wrong, im just worried if i do...do i like...ask a doctor or something?

Yes, if you believe you are suffering from schizophrenia or another mental illness you go to a psychiatrist and ask for an evaluation. They sit you down one on one and ask you a bunch of questions (do you hear or see things that aren’t there?) (do you have delusions?) (do you have disorganized speech/thoughts/and/or behavior?)
Some questions might touch in sensitive topics but it’s worth answering honestly to get the correct diagnosis. If you are unsure of a psychiatrist in your area you can see a general doctor and they can refer you to someone else.
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Postby Western Theram » Thu May 08, 2025 12:44 pm

RusFor wrote:
The Anti-Delegate wrote:were you not already seeing a psychologist or a therapist or something

I mean...no, I think therapy is a shitty scam ;-;

Therapy isn’t supposed to solve your problems for you. It’s to teach you things to help yourself and how to apply those things you learned
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Postby RusFor » Thu May 08, 2025 12:49 pm

Western Theram wrote:
RusFor wrote:you didnt do anything wrong, im just worried if i do...do i like...ask a doctor or something?

Yes, if you believe you are suffering from schizophrenia or another mental illness you go to a psychiatrist and ask for an evaluation. They sit you down one on one and ask you a bunch of questions (do you hear or see things that aren’t there?) (do you have delusions?) (do you have disorganized speech/thoughts/and/or behavior?)
Some questions might touch in sensitive topics but it’s worth answering honestly to get the correct diagnosis. If you are unsure of a psychiatrist in your area you can see a general doctor and they can refer you to someone else.

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Western Theram wrote:
RusFor wrote:I mean...no, I think therapy is a shitty scam ;-;

Therapy isn’t supposed to solve your problems for you. It’s to teach you things to help yourself and how to apply those things you learned

"why do you think that is?" "how does that make you feel?" "that'll be $950 dollars"
I can't even vent all the problems I have without fear of being put on some kind of list, so I tell them niche things only to get answers from some stupid fucking book, get charged, and told to leave
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Postby Anonymegg » Thu May 08, 2025 1:06 pm

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Postby Western Theram » Thu May 08, 2025 1:07 pm

RusFor wrote:
Western Theram wrote:Yes, if you believe you are suffering from schizophrenia or another mental illness you go to a psychiatrist and ask for an evaluation. They sit you down one on one and ask you a bunch of questions (do you hear or see things that aren’t there?) (do you have delusions?) (do you have disorganized speech/thoughts/and/or behavior?)
Some questions might touch in sensitive topics but it’s worth answering honestly to get the correct diagnosis. If you are unsure of a psychiatrist in your area you can see a general doctor and they can refer you to someone else.

noted
Western Theram wrote:Therapy isn’t supposed to solve your problems for you. It’s to teach you things to help yourself and how to apply those things you learned

"why do you think that is?" "how does that make you feel?" "that'll be $950 dollars"
I can't even vent all the problems I have without fear of being put on some kind of list, so I tell them niche things only to get answers from some stupid fucking book, get charged, and told to leave

Actually you can tell them your fears. Everything you tell them will be confidential unless you flat out tell them you’re going to kill someone. As far as price that a capitalism and insurance problem which warrants a different debate. You’re deflecting the questions they ask rather than actually pondering what they mean. Also different therapies have different ways of rewiring the brain. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is really effective for a number of illnesses including substance use disorder (addiction) it aims to separate feelings from thoughts. For example “I feel like a failure” isn’t a feeling. It’s a thought. The feeling is actually vulnerability and the fear of that vulnerability
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Postby RusFor » Thu May 08, 2025 1:10 pm

Western Theram wrote:
RusFor wrote:noted

"why do you think that is?" "how does that make you feel?" "that'll be $950 dollars"
I can't even vent all the problems I have without fear of being put on some kind of list, so I tell them niche things only to get answers from some stupid fucking book, get charged, and told to leave

Actually you can tell them your fears. Everything you tell them will be confidential unless you flat out tell them you’re going to kill someone. As far as price that a capitalism and insurance problem which warrants a different debate. You’re deflecting the questions they ask rather than actually pondering what they mean. Also different therapies have different ways of rewiring the brain. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is really effective for a number of illnesses including substance use disorder (addiction) it aims to separate feelings from thoughts. For example “I feel like a failure” isn’t a feeling. It’s a thought. The feeling is actually vulnerability and the fear of that vulnerability

I guess i'll give it another shot after I talk to my doctor
thx
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Postby Western Theram » Thu May 08, 2025 1:14 pm

RusFor wrote:
Western Theram wrote:Actually you can tell them your fears. Everything you tell them will be confidential unless you flat out tell them you’re going to kill someone. As far as price that a capitalism and insurance problem which warrants a different debate. You’re deflecting the questions they ask rather than actually pondering what they mean. Also different therapies have different ways of rewiring the brain. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is really effective for a number of illnesses including substance use disorder (addiction) it aims to separate feelings from thoughts. For example “I feel like a failure” isn’t a feeling. It’s a thought. The feeling is actually vulnerability and the fear of that vulnerability

I guess i'll give it another shot after I talk to my doctor
thx

Of course. Also if you ever need or want to talk I’m here to listen :)
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Postby RusFor » Thu May 08, 2025 1:20 pm

Western Theram wrote:
RusFor wrote:I guess i'll give it another shot after I talk to my doctor
thx

Of course. Also if you ever need or want to talk I’m here to listen :)

if I do have schizo, what would've caused it, it started drying and after the withdrawals :/
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Postby Western Theram » Thu May 08, 2025 1:24 pm

RusFor wrote:
Western Theram wrote:Of course. Also if you ever need or want to talk I’m here to listen :)

if I do have schizo, what would've caused it, it started drying and after the withdrawals :/

There is no one root cause. Genes, environmental factors and trauma can all contribute. it’s important to note hallucinations alone does not equal schizophrenia. It’s a complex disorder but I do think you should seek out a mental health professional. Ironically many drug users turn to illicit substances to self medicate for disorders they don’t even know they have.
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Postby Western Theram » Thu May 08, 2025 5:33 pm

Another issue with criminalization is it treats all drugs as the same when they very vastly on the chemical spectrum depending on what you’re using.
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Postby Elwher » Fri May 09, 2025 8:18 am

Western Theram wrote:Another issue with criminalization is it treats all drugs as the same when they very vastly on the chemical spectrum depending on what you’re using.


While I do not support the criminalization of any drugs, the above is in error. Different drugs are in different schedules (at least in the US), and the penalties differ based on that.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Fri May 09, 2025 8:38 am

Western Theram wrote:Another issue with criminalization is it treats all drugs as the same when they very vastly on the chemical spectrum depending on what you’re using.

The same problem exists within medical practice as well, and why many people find themselves having to patiently suffer through trial and error while establishing an optimal regimen.
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Postby Western Theram » Fri May 09, 2025 8:50 am

Elwher wrote:
Western Theram wrote:Another issue with criminalization is it treats all drugs as the same when they very vastly on the chemical spectrum depending on what you’re using.


While I do not support the criminalization of any drugs, the above is in error. Different drugs are in different schedules (at least in the US), and the penalties differ based on that.
those schedules aren’t necessarily based on drug classification (cannabis, hallucinogen, stimulant, depressant, etc.) marijuana is still a schedule 4 drug in most states i believe
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Postby Anonymegg » Fri May 09, 2025 8:52 am

Western Theram wrote:Another issue with criminalization is it treats all drugs as the same when they very vastly on the chemical spectrum depending on what you’re using.

All non-medicinal drugs (except for caffeine and sugar) are dangerous and should be criminalized
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Postby Western Theram » Fri May 09, 2025 9:28 am

Anonymegg wrote:
Western Theram wrote:Another issue with criminalization is it treats all drugs as the same when they very vastly on the chemical spectrum depending on what you’re using.

All non-medicinal drugs (except for caffeine and sugar) are dangerous and should be criminalized

Actually caffeine and sugar can be quite dangerous. Ever hear stories of people who drink too much monster?
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Postby Inner Albania » Fri May 09, 2025 9:29 am

Western Theram wrote:
Anonymegg wrote:All non-medicinal drugs (except for caffeine and sugar) are dangerous and should be criminalized

Actually caffeine and sugar can be quite dangerous. Ever hear stories of people who drink too much monster?

Even water can be dangerous. To be honest, taking too much of anything is dangerous.
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Postby Anonymegg » Fri May 09, 2025 9:30 am

Inner Albania wrote:
Western Theram wrote:Actually caffeine and sugar can be quite dangerous. Ever hear stories of people who drink too much monster?

Even water can be dangerous. To be honest, taking too much of anything is dangerous.

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Postby Pheonixknight » Fri May 09, 2025 9:32 am

RusFor wrote:
Western Theram wrote:Therapy isn’t supposed to solve your problems for you. It’s to teach you things to help yourself and how to apply those things you learned

"why do you think that is?" "how does that make you feel?" "that'll be $950 dollars"
I can't even vent all the problems I have without fear of being put on some kind of list, so I tell them niche things only to get answers from some stupid fucking book, get charged, and told to leave

You're not getting anything out of therapy because you're not putting anything into it.
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Postby Woodsmere » Fri May 09, 2025 9:32 am

Drugs should be banned, unless for medical purposes.
Western Theram wrote:
Anonymegg wrote:All non-medicinal drugs (except for caffeine and sugar) are dangerous and should be criminalized

Actually caffeine and sugar can be quite dangerous. Ever hear stories of people who drink too much monster?
Any energy drink can be bad if overused, where I live many non-dodgy shops have age restrictions on who can buy energy drinks because of the health risks.
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Postby RusFor » Fri May 09, 2025 9:33 am

Pheonixknight wrote:
RusFor wrote:
"why do you think that is?" "how does that make you feel?" "that'll be $950 dollars"
I can't even vent all the problems I have without fear of being put on some kind of list, so I tell them niche things only to get answers from some stupid fucking book, get charged, and told to leave

You're not getting anything out of therapy because you're not putting anything into it.

I put my time, energy and money into it, what more do I need
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Postby Inner Albania » Fri May 09, 2025 9:33 am

Woodsmere wrote:Drugs should be banned, unless for medical purposes.
Western Theram wrote:Actually caffeine and sugar can be quite dangerous. Ever hear stories of people who drink too much monster?
Any energy drink can be bad if overused, where I live many non-dodgy shops have age restrictions on who can buy energy drinks because of the health risks.

Here in my country, you need to be 18 to buy energy drinks lol.
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Postby The Anti-Delegate » Fri May 09, 2025 9:35 am

RusFor wrote:
Pheonixknight wrote:You're not getting anything out of therapy because you're not putting anything into it.

I put my time, energy and money into it, what more do I need

to actually tell them your problems
they're not gonna put you on a list, that's like against their policy
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Postby Pheonixknight » Fri May 09, 2025 9:36 am

RusFor wrote:
Pheonixknight wrote:You're not getting anything out of therapy because you're not putting anything into it.

I put my time, energy and money into it, what more do I need

You aren't telling them the problems you want to fix, so nothing's getting fixed.
(Also, your therapist isn't going to admit you to a psych ward without your consent or a court order.)
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