Why is there a global backlash against gender ideology?

[Mendevia]

I think there is a backlash because of fascism/transphobia. Right wing influence has really spread through the news and social media and all over the internet in the past decade. It's very much a backlash to the freedom of the early 2000s and the openness of this new found internet space and a reaction to feminism in general. There is a movement to the older traditional gender roles and transgender people are a small part of it, but you see the overall movement with the attack on abortion/female reproductive health. You see a large "trad wife" culture. Transgender people make for such a big target to the right because they quite obviously do not fit into the idea that women are for making and carrying babies. They believe trans men destroy beautiful baby making machines while trans women invade and terrorize the delicate real women. It's gross, it's weird and I wish more women would realize this because you are the next targets after trans people are dealt with. A gay man like me, I can just hide and say I am celibate at least until they start coming after all gay people then someone might investigate me once women and trans people are dealt with.

[Armeattla]

luckily pronouns aren't part of official documentation yet, but given how stupid people are that might not last long.
like sex markers weren't on passports until women started wearing "men's clothes".

And as i see it unless it is possible to change it officially no one is under any compulsion to accommodate your preference if it is contrary to their perception of reality regarding identity and gender.

except that doing that would funnily enough prevent the change of said documents

not like sex and gender markers should just straight up be abolished
anyways, fuck you, i will not bear the indignity of you calling me a "man"

Nobody is holding a gun to your head screaming abuse all about your ears in a crusade to be correctly gendered.

actually, I am.

[Pale Dawn]

And as i see it unless it is possible to change it officially no one is under any compulsion to accommodate your preference if it is contrary to their perception of reality regarding identity and gender.

except that doing that would funnily enough prevent the change of said documents

not like sex and gender markers should just straight up be abolished
anyways, fuck you, i will not bear the indignity of you calling me a "man"

Yes, If the society doesn't recognize a pronoun as being changeable your request would be rejected.

[Pale Dawn]

And as i see it unless it is possible to change it officially no one is under any compulsion to accommodate your preference if it is contrary to their perception of reality regarding identity and gender.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head screaming abuse all about your ears in a crusade to be correctly gendered. Stop acting like that's the case.

Is basic respect, by the way, also contrary to "your perception of reality?" What of nicknames for people, that they have requested you respect?

edit: this is not intended as flaming, pre-apologies if it comes across as such '~'

No flaming felt any way.

As for nicknames I have mentioned it a few times as a comparison. Nobody is under any compulsion to follow a nickname nor to ask for your nick name. It is freely accommodated or ignored without threats of legal action as hate speech and the like.

[Flaming Fash]

except that doing that would funnily enough prevent the change of said documents

not like sex and gender markers should just straight up be abolished
anyways, fuck you, i will not bear the indignity of you calling me a "man"

Yes, If the society doesn't recognize a pronoun as being changeable your request would be rejected.

I'm having so much fun imagining you telling a trans woman this irl, it's hilarious how out of touch it feels.

[Armeattla]

except that doing that would funnily enough prevent the change of said documents

not like sex and gender markers should just straight up be abolished
anyways, fuck you, i will not bear the indignity of you calling me a "man"

Yes, If the society doesn't recognize a pronoun as being changeable your request would be rejected.

I don't actually care what your society thinks I should be allowed to do with my own person. It does not get to dictate my person.
And any society that infringes on self-determination is not worthy of any respect.

The social contract is a matter of mutual obligation by mutual solidarity, not of subjugation to an arbitrary hierarchy and system of property.

[Pale Dawn]

Yes, If the society doesn't recognize a pronoun as being changeable your request would be rejected.

I don't actually care what your society thinks I should be allowed to do with my own person. It does not get to dictate my person.
And any society that infringes on self-determination is not worthy of any respect.

The social contract is a matter of mutual solidarity, not of subjugation to an arbitrary hierarchy and system of property.

Then why are you looking for opinions in a thread called "Why is there a global backlash against gender ideology?"?

Yes, If the society doesn't recognize a pronoun as being changeable your request would be rejected.

I'm having so much fun imagining you telling a trans woman this irl, it's hilarious how out of touch it feels.

Enjoy i guess.

[Flaming Fash]

I don't actually care what your society thinks I should be allowed to do with my own person. It does not get to dictate my person.
And any society that infringes on self-determination is not worthy of any respect.

The social contract is a matter of mutual solidarity, not of subjugation to an arbitrary hierarchy and system of property.

Then why are you looking for opinions in a thread called "Why is there a global backlash against gender ideology?"?

You would also intervene in a thread where people are saying you're mentally ill, yes? Just to tell them to shut the hell up?

[Pale Dawn]

Then why are you looking for opinions in a thread called "Why is there a global backlash against gender ideology?"?

You would also intervene in a thread where people are saying you're mentally ill, yes? Just to tell them to shut the hell up?

No nor do i think my post history would support such a closed minded attitude to conversations.

[Flaming Fash]

You would also intervene in a thread where people are saying you're mentally ill, yes? Just to tell them to shut the hell up?

No nor do i think my post history would support such a closed minded attitude to conversations.

not to be rude, but your post history does support a kind of closed minded attitude, but this thread isnt about you
moving on

[The Combined Syndicates of Colorado]

And as i see it unless it is possible to change it officially no one is under any compulsion to accommodate your preference if it is contrary to their perception of reality regarding identity and gender.

Is basic respect, by the way, also contrary to "your perception of reality?" What of nicknames for people, that they have requested you respect?

Pale Dawn does not care about reality, Pale Dawn cares about being rude.

[Armeattla]

I don't actually care what your society thinks I should be allowed to do with my own person. It does not get to dictate my person.
And any society that infringes on self-determination is not worthy of any respect.

The social contract is a matter of mutual solidarity, not of subjugation to an arbitrary hierarchy and system of property.

Then why are you looking for opinions in a thread called "Why is there a global backlash against gender ideology?"?

Because I am here to discuss the reactionary political project to save heterosexuality from it's dying throes that led to this "backlash", your opinion that this comes from a magical societal hivemind-like consensus is in fact very nonsensical and Jungian(Death Penalty.).

[Daemonkin of Corn]

Nobody is holding a gun to your head screaming abuse all about your ears in a crusade to be correctly gendered. Stop acting like that's the case.

Is basic respect, by the way, also contrary to "your perception of reality?" What of nicknames for people, that they have requested you respect?

edit: this is not intended as flaming, pre-apologies if it comes across as such '~'

No flaming felt any way.

As for nicknames I have mentioned it a few times as a comparison. Nobody is under any compulsion to follow a nickname nor to ask for your nick name. It is freely accommodated or ignored without threats of legal action as hate speech and the like.

A nickname is a bad comparision. You aren't using a nickname. You are changing your name.

[Pale Dawn]

Then why are you looking for opinions in a thread called "Why is there a global backlash against gender ideology?"?

Because I am here to discuss the reactionary political project to save heterosexuality from it's dying throes that led to this "backlash", your opinion that this comes from a magical societal hivemind-like consensus is in fact very nonsensical and Jungian.

I didn't say consensus and I sourced the basis of my statement. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/

[Flaming Fash]

america is not the entire world
very crazy im aware

[Pale Dawn]

No flaming felt any way.

As for nicknames I have mentioned it a few times as a comparison. Nobody is under any compulsion to follow a nickname nor to ask for your nick name. It is freely accommodated or ignored without threats of legal action as hate speech and the like.

A nickname is a bad comparision. You aren't using a nickname. You are changing your name.

You are very tedious. I have actually gone over name changes versus nick names with you in relation to social obligations to recognize said changes.

[Kernovia]

What are y'all arguing about?

[Daemonkin of Corn]

A nickname is a bad comparision. You aren't using a nickname. You are changing your name.

You are very tedious. I have actually gone over name changes versus nick names with you in relation to social obligations to recognize said changes.

I didn't see it.

If we did why do you keep bringing up "Nick names" as though it's relevant? It's not.

Misgendering someone is equivalent of calling a married woman by her maiden name then calling her a dictator when she tells you to stop.

Pronouns are literally just little names.

[Armeattla]

I mean, that's neither a good representation of the entire situation.

And framing "well, the opinions on this are complex" does not equal "well society as a whole doesn't want you to be able to change your pronouns" as it was framed.

anyways the opinion of a majority does not override the self-determination of a minority.
after all gassing jews and trying to "cure" trans people with electro torture were accepted notions at certain points of times and in certain places.

[The Combined Syndicates of Colorado]

You are very tedious. I have actually gone over name changes versus nick names with you in relation to social obligations to recognize said changes.

So you're a rude person on behalf of social fascist legalism?

[Pale Dawn]

You are very tedious. I have actually gone over name changes versus nick names with you in relation to social obligations to recognize said changes.

I didn't see it.

If we did why do you keep bringing up "Nick names" as though it's relevant? It's not.

Misgendering someone is equivalent of calling a married woman by her maiden name then calling her a dictator when she tells you to stop.

Because i was asked about names by someone other than you. You jumped on my answer to restart the conversation. If a woman never officially was granted approval for her name change, yes that is a workable comparison.

No flaming felt any way.

As for nicknames I have mentioned it a few times as a comparison. Nobody is under any compulsion to follow a nickname nor to ask for your nick name. It is freely accommodated or ignored without threats of legal action as hate speech and the like.

A nickname is a bad comparision. You aren't using a nickname. You are changing your name.

[Flaming Fash]

this guy really found one excuse for his bigotry like years ago and just cant let it go no matter what huh

[Kernovia]

You are very tedious. I have actually gone over name changes versus nick names with you in relation to social obligations to recognize said changes.

So you're a rude person on behalf of social fascist legalism?

do you know what fascism is, does anyone on this thread know what fascism is!?

[Daemonkin of Corn]

If I can legally decide my race, which I can, and I can legally choose my own name, which I can, then I can also legally choose my gender. Simple.

If I say I'm a man named Steve who is black and you insist on calling me a woman named Jackson who is Asian then I'll say you are being silly and rude. If you are silly and rude in public people will probably think less of you.

That's literally it.

[Pale Dawn]

You are very tedious. I have actually gone over name changes versus nick names with you in relation to social obligations to recognize said changes.

So you're a rude person on behalf of social fascist legalism?

I don't think i have been rude. Feel free to report me if you think it is warranted. I argue in favor of the social course i see as least likely to create societal breakdown and conflict.