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Postby Adamede » Sun Mar 02, 2025 5:55 pm

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these imbeciles will cancel monitoring of fish populations, the underpinning of multibillion dollar industries and many, many peoples' daily lives, and fucking brag about it.

I mean they already talk about how great the first gilded age was and this is hair that happened a lot then. Just carve and gouge out as much short term wealth as you can, never mind the sustainability of it.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:21 pm

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:Because that way the far right cannot take power. Just do what they want and they will go away. I fear that’s the only way to end this.

"Just trust me that this is the only way" is by itself not that convincing especially when Tim Walz already tried this tack.


The Harris/Walz campaign failed because Biden dropped out at the last minute and they didn't have time to prepare. We shouldn't just assume that they were completely bad candidates or that everything they said or did in the campaign was necessarily wrong.

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Postby Spyri » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:26 pm

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Uiiop wrote:"Just trust me that this is the only way" is by itself not that convincing especially when Tim Walz already tried this tack.


The Harris/Walz campaign failed because Biden dropped out at the last minute and they didn't have time to prepare. We shouldn't just assume that they were completely bad candidates or that everything they said or did in the campaign was necessarily wrong.

They had years and years to reverse course as half of America watched the man cognitively decline and the other screamed he was fine.

The last minute decision didn’t help - surviving an assassination attempt sealed the election.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:28 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Uiiop wrote:"Just trust me that this is the only way" is by itself not that convincing especially when Tim Walz already tried this tack.


The Harris/Walz campaign failed because Biden dropped out at the last minute and they didn't have time to prepare. We shouldn't just assume that they were completely bad candidates or that everything they said or did in the campaign was necessarily wrong.


Harris was absolutely a terrible candidate, we saw this in 2020. Add in that 2024 was generally an anti-incumbent year globally and the writing was on the wall for anyone who wasn't blinded by their own partisanship.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:30 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Uiiop wrote:"Just trust me that this is the only way" is by itself not that convincing especially when Tim Walz already tried this tack.


The Harris/Walz campaign failed because Biden dropped out at the last minute and they didn't have time to prepare. We shouldn't just assume that they were completely bad candidates or that everything they said or did in the campaign was necessarily wrong.

That and the polls dropping hard after Harris pivoted towards those sort of things are not mutually exclusive. Neither is WRA's point.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:[
The Harris/Walz campaign failed because Biden dropped out at the last minute and they didn't have time to prepare. We shouldn't just assume that they were completely bad candidates or that everything they said or did in the campaign was necessarily wrong.


Harris was absolutely a terrible candidate, we saw this in 2020. Add in that 2024 was generally an anti-incumbent year globally and the writing was on the wall for anyone who wasn't blinded by their own partisanship.


Well, I guess I could see the argument for that, but what is so bad about Tim Walz exactly?

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Postby Nilokeras » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
The Harris/Walz campaign failed because Biden dropped out at the last minute and they didn't have time to prepare. We shouldn't just assume that they were completely bad candidates or that everything they said or did in the campaign was necessarily wrong.


Harris was absolutely a terrible candidate, we saw this in 2020. Add in that 2024 was generally an anti-incumbent year globally and the writing was on the wall for anyone who wasn't blinded by their own partisanship.


I don't necessarily buy that Harris-Walz was inherently doomed. Their path to victory was narrow, but it did exist - and it hinged on Walz being allowed to call Donald Trump a senile pervert who fucked up everything he touched as president as loudly and repeatedly as possible. Trump was already president, after all, and I think there's a way they could have transmuted him into being the tired incumbent.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:43 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Harris was absolutely a terrible candidate, we saw this in 2020. Add in that 2024 was generally an anti-incumbent year globally and the writing was on the wall for anyone who wasn't blinded by their own partisanship.


Well, I guess I could see the argument for that, but what is so bad about Tim Walz exactly?

Actually nothing besides needing a debate coach and complete freedom beyond that. I hope he runs in 2028.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:49 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Harris was absolutely a terrible candidate, we saw this in 2020. Add in that 2024 was generally an anti-incumbent year globally and the writing was on the wall for anyone who wasn't blinded by their own partisanship.


Well, I guess I could see the argument for that, but what is so bad about Tim Walz exactly?


He's not a terribly good speaker (he badly needed a coach) and he got muzzled by someone along the way when the Dems absolutely did need to fight dirty. The latter isn't his fault as an individual per se, but it did make him a bad candidate.
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Postby Mercov » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Well, I guess I could see the argument for that, but what is so bad about Tim Walz exactly?


He's not a terribly good speaker (he badly needed a coach) and he got muzzled by someone along the way when the Dems absolutely did need to fight dirty. The latter isn't his fault as an individual per se, but it did make him a bad candidate.

He has a lot of potential, and he is a good leader. I think he has a bright future, but maybe not in 2028. If we lose in 2028 I could imagine him doing well in '32, and if we win in 28 he would be good in '36.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:03 pm

Necroghastia wrote:In early February, a group of moderate Democratic consultants, campaign staffers, elected officials and party leaders gathered in Loudoun County, Virginia, for a day-and-a-half retreat where they plotted their party’s comeback.

And apparently they think going even further rightward and rejecting influence of small donors (because billionaires are more in touch with the electorate i guess?) is the way.

How fucking stupid are these people. The people you are trying to court are the Republicans. They are not going to vote for you or be motivated to swap.

A generation at least.
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Postby Outer Bratorke » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Well, I guess I could see the argument for that, but what is so bad about Tim Walz exactly?


He's not a terribly good speaker (he badly needed a coach) and he got muzzled by someone along the way when the Dems absolutely did need to fight dirty. The latter isn't his fault as an individual per se, but it did make him a bad candidate.

"Republicans are weird" was such a good tactic. I really want to know which chucklefucks at the DNC made him stop.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:37 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Well, I guess I could see the argument for that, but what is so bad about Tim Walz exactly?

Actually nothing besides needing a debate coach and complete freedom beyond that. I hope he runs in 2028.


You'd have to hope there's elections in 2028..
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Postby Mercov » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:38 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Actually nothing besides needing a debate coach and complete freedom beyond that. I hope he runs in 2028.


You'd have to hope there's elections in 2028..

When talking about elections its easier to assume there will be elections.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:47 pm

HISPIDA wrote:RFK ENDORSES THE MMR VACCINE LMFAO

As the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, I am deeply concerned about the recent measles outbreak. This situation has escalated rapidly, with the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) reporting 146 confirmed cases since late January 2025, primarily in the South Plains region. Tragically, this outbreak has claimed the life of a school-aged child, the first measles-related fatality in the United States in over a decade.

Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

Measles is a highly contagious respiratory illness with certain health risks, especially to unvaccinated individuals. The virus spreads through direct contact with infectious droplets when an infected person breathes, coughs, or sneezes. Early symptoms include high fever, cough, runny nose, and red, watery eyes, followed by a characteristic body rash. Most cases are mild, but rare complications can be severe, including pneumonia, blindness, and encephalitis. Prior to the introduction of the vaccine in the 1960s, virtually every child in the United States contracted measles. For example, in the United States, from 1953 to 1962, on average there were 530,217 confirmed cases and 440 deaths, a case fatality rate of 1 in 1,205 cases.


Suuuure he does.

A guy who made a career over encouraging doubt in vaccines suddenly believes in the MMR vacine?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:48 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Harris was absolutely a terrible candidate, we saw this in 2020. Add in that 2024 was generally an anti-incumbent year globally and the writing was on the wall for anyone who wasn't blinded by their own partisanship.


I don't necessarily buy that Harris-Walz was inherently doomed. Their path to victory was narrow, but it did exist - and it hinged on Walz being allowed to call Donald Trump a senile pervert who fucked up everything he touched as president as loudly and repeatedly as possible. Trump was already president, after all, and I think there's a way they could have transmuted him into being the tired incumbent.


Trump isn’t a senile pervert?
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Postby Kerwa » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:53 pm

Outer Bratorke wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's not a terribly good speaker (he badly needed a coach) and he got muzzled by someone along the way when the Dems absolutely did need to fight dirty. The latter isn't his fault as an individual per se, but it did make him a bad candidate.

"Republicans are weird" was such a good tactic. I really want to know which chucklefucks at the DNC made him stop.


They made him stop because it was a terrible idea. A high school social studies teacher calling people weird is just off.

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Postby Mercov » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:54 pm

Kerwa wrote:
Outer Bratorke wrote:"Republicans are weird" was such a good tactic. I really want to know which chucklefucks at the DNC made him stop.


They made him stop because it was a terrible idea. A high school social studies teacher calling people weird is just off.

It Poked at trump, Everyone loved it.
Because Republicans are weird. Conservatism is the ideology of weirdness. Nothing can convince the pure hatred Trump and Vance hate for other humans isn't weird.

They revel in being called 'Evil'.
Tell a Nazi they are evil, and they will love it. Call him a weird freak? And they will never forget it. It will get under their skin. The worst insult you can say is that they are a freak. Nazis are freaks.
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Postby Kerwa » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:01 pm

Mercov wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
They made him stop because it was a terrible idea. A high school social studies teacher calling people weird is just off.

It Poked at trump, Everyone loved it.
Because Republicans are weird. Conservatism is the ideology of weirdness. Nothing can convince the pure hatred Trump and Vance hate for other humans isn't weird.


No. You loved it. The smug bien pensant middle classes loved it. Ordinary people, on the other hand, don’t want to hear it from a social studies teacher for obvious reasons. Same with priests.

Trumps hatred is his selling point. People are angry and therefore want blood. This usually happens when the government reduces the standard of living by 25%.

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Postby Mercov » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:03 pm

Kerwa wrote:
Mercov wrote:It Poked at trump, Everyone loved it.
Because Republicans are weird. Conservatism is the ideology of weirdness. Nothing can convince the pure hatred Trump and Vance hate for other humans isn't weird.


No. You loved it. The smug bien pensant middle classes loved it. Ordinary people, on the other hand, don’t want to hear it from a social studies teacher for obvious reasons. Same with priests.

Trumps hatred is his selling point. People are angry and therefore want blood. This usually happens when the government reduces the standard of living by 25%.

Well, calling your enemies weird is only one part. I agree, if they let Tim Walz call the objectivly weird republicans weird, it would mean we would have lost by...1%, instead of 1.2%.

We do need substantive policy, make a promise. Give a vision. The Democrats hate doing that.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:07 pm

Mercov wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
You'd have to hope there's elections in 2028..

When talking about elections its easier to assume there will be elections.


The only coherent strategy I can see by this administration is to provoke such outrage that it leads to civil unrest and they can install martial law. Only took Hitler four weeks, they're slow off the mark.

Project 2025 is to have a Christian nationalist state, like his good friend Putin does.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:10 pm

Mercov wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
They made him stop because it was a terrible idea. A high school social studies teacher calling people weird is just off.

It Poked at trump, Everyone loved it.
Because Republicans are weird. Conservatism is the ideology of weirdness. Nothing can convince the pure hatred Trump and Vance hate for other humans isn't weird.

They revel in being called 'Evil'.
Tell a Nazi they are evil, and they will love it. Call him a weird freak? And they will never forget it. It will get under their skin. The worst insult you can say is that they are a freak. Nazis are freaks.

There’s a sort of nobility in being a villain. Being weird just takes you back to the days of being a social outcast in school.

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Postby Kerwa » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:13 pm

Mercov wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
No. You loved it. The smug bien pensant middle classes loved it. Ordinary people, on the other hand, don’t want to hear it from a social studies teacher for obvious reasons. Same with priests.

Trumps hatred is his selling point. People are angry and therefore want blood. This usually happens when the government reduces the standard of living by 25%.

Well, calling your enemies weird is only one part. I agree, if they let Tim Walz call the objectivly weird republicans weird, it would mean we would have lost by...1%, instead of 1.2%.

We do need substantive policy, make a promise. Give a vision. The Democrats hate doing that.


The democrats should have faced reality and held proper primaries early on. Had they done that they would have had a better chance. It still would have been difficult, however, given biden’s complete tone deafness about the complaints coming from traditional constituencies. As it is, the Dems are far too in bed with Wall Street.

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Postby Adamede » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:15 pm

Kerwa wrote:
Mercov wrote:It Poked at trump, Everyone loved it.
Because Republicans are weird. Conservatism is the ideology of weirdness. Nothing can convince the pure hatred Trump and Vance hate for other humans isn't weird.


No. You loved it. The smug bien pensant middle classes loved it. Ordinary people, on the other hand, don’t want to hear it from a social studies teacher for obvious reasons. Same with priests.

Trumps hatred is his selling point. People are angry and therefore want blood. This usually happens when the government reduces the standard of living by 25%.

Well as of right now prices keep climbing and it’s not just a holdover from Biden.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:15 pm

Mercov wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
No. You loved it. The smug bien pensant middle classes loved it. Ordinary people, on the other hand, don’t want to hear it from a social studies teacher for obvious reasons. Same with priests.

Trumps hatred is his selling point. People are angry and therefore want blood. This usually happens when the government reduces the standard of living by 25%.

Well, calling your enemies weird is only one part. I agree, if they let Tim Walz call the objectivly weird republicans weird, it would mean we would have lost by...1%, instead of 1.2%.

We do need substantive policy, make a promise. Give a vision. The Democrats hate doing that.


I don't believe this is true anymore. Trump got up in front of the nation and outright said he didn't have plans, and he won. The average voter is too stupid and too shortsighted to care about policy or real substantive plans.
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