Can Satan repent and be restored to his Creator?

[NorthernPesos]

Btw Satan and the devil are different beings.

Yes, according to the Book of Enoch there were 208 "Watchers" who fell along with their king Azazel.

From what I have read the fall of former Covering Cherub Helel, [ Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan], could well have been millions or even billion of years before the fall of Azazel and the Watchers.

Former Covering Cherub Helel could well have been in relative harmony with his Creator for millions of years or even billions of years or perhaps maybe even a trillion years. The implications of the Cyclic Model of the universe - multiverse make any dogmatic nailing down of the timing impossible for a human unless they have a near death experience or something similar.

When Satan fell he led a third of the angels with him. The third of the angels who had been in charge of worship apparently.

[A m e n r i a]

Shouldn't this be in the CDT? If you want to talk about the actual devil, we'll welcome you in the IDT.

[NorthernPesos]

Shouldn't this be in the CDT? If you want to talk about the actual devil, we'll welcome you in the IDT.

I am rather new here and I do not even know what the CDT is?

Also, what is the IDT?

[A m e n r i a]

Shouldn't this be in the CDT? If you want to talk about the actual devil, we'll welcome you in the IDT.

I am rather new here and I do not even know what the CDT is?

Also, what is the IDT?

Christuan discussion thread and Islamic discussion thread respectively.

[Dutch Socialist States]

Satan doesn't exist

That is what he prefers that people believe but I have a choice to believe or not believe the personal testimony of former Satanist John Ramirez? I believe him partly because what he reports is just about the only way to make sense out of the horrors of human history.

If the John Ramirez testimony is basically true then a significant percentage of the leading Atheists also drank blood and performed rituals after which they astral projected and met with Satan. Satan told them to claim to be "Atheists" and gave them much of what they taught.

In the case of Richard Dawkins Ph. D. he was abused by a messed up Christian when he was young and he blames his own anger and un-forgiveness on his Creator. This is a fact that he personally admits. Dr. Dawkins's Atheism is driven by his anger against most Christians because of one specific Christian who harmed him greatly.

Firstly, let me ask you three questions.

1. How do we know for certain this Satan exists as you see it?
2. Why would the all the leading Atheïsts drink blood, do rituals et cetera?
3. And why would that be more likely than... I don't know... atheïst leaders just being atheïst?

And secondly, yes, there are some Christians, some Jews, some atheïsts and so forth who have done messed up things to people. But does it do any good to be angry against a whole group? No. Is it understandable you might be angry? I understand a little bit, but even then, does that mean the whole religion is evil or bad?

In my opinion, no.

[New haven america]

Theoretically yes.

No Church on this planet would ever admit that though, you need a boogieman to keep practitioners coming and paying tithes/offerings.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

Theoretically yes.

No Church on this planet would ever admit that though, you need a boogieman to keep practitioners coming and paying tithes/offerings.

Isn't it pretty set in stone in the Bible that Satan gets tossed into the abyss on the day of judgment?

[New haven america]

Theoretically yes.

No Church on this planet would ever admit that though, you need a boogieman to keep practitioners coming and paying tithes/offerings.

Isn't it pretty set in stone in the Bible that Satan gets tossed into the abyss on the day of judgment?

Revelations is dumb. Fun doomsday imagery, lotta originality, but dumb nonetheless.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

Revelations is dumb. Fun doomsday imagery, lotta originality, but dumb nonetheless.

It's still canon, though.

[NorthernPesos]

Revelations is dumb. Fun doomsday imagery, lotta originality, but dumb nonetheless.

It's still canon, though.

Indeed!

And near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley in 1975 was shown future events that sure do tend to make some sense out of that extremely challenging Book of Revelation.

Dannion Brinkley:
BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services."
(Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

[Fjolmidlum]

So, an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God intentionally develops a system in which one of his creations is forced to suffer with no end. So much for mercy and forgiveness. Of course, God's treatment of Satan is reflective of the general Christian belief system more broadly as well. The wages of sins are paid off, and their price is not the death of Jesus, but rather one's unending obedience to a slaver, as the New Testament routinely and fittingly describes him.

Mankind and Angels originally had free will. Some Angels fell from heaven and became demons by choosing their own will over God. Mankind chose their own will over God's will, and now all men are severed from God and completely unable to save themselves. That's why God died for us, because we were made in His Image and He desired us to have fellowship with Him. But God forces no one to repent, He works in our hearts through the Holy Spirit, by the Gospel, some accept it and are saved, some reject it and are condemned because their sins have no atonement.

And no, you're wrong, we are not saved by "unending obedience to a slaver", whatever that means. Paul says clearly that we are not saved by following the Law (Galatians 2:16), we are saved because God in His Mercy sent Jesus to bear our sins. Jesus took our sins upon Himself and suffered hell on the cross, He suffered physical death and the second death (total separation from God). When He rose again, it showed that Christ was justified of all those sins which kept Him in the grave, meaning they are no longer our sins either, they were removed from us. We are saved only by trusting in Christ, and this faith naturally produces good works and obedience, just like a tree produces fruit, not the other way around.

Satan has no redemption and seeks no redemption. He knows very well what God had commanded and continually breaks that law and takes others with him. The Bible calls him a liar and a murderer from the beginning:

John 8:44 (Jesus said) "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Free will cannot exists in a world with an all-powerful and all-knowing God. God cannot simultaneously know everything and determine everything except for one's actions and still be all-powerful and all-knowing. Even many Christians agree to that much simple fact. For all intents and purposes, unless the God you believe in is not all-powerful and/or all-knowing, God absolutely did a system which exists for the simple purpose of creating suffering, forcing some beings to suffer without end, all for some cosmic fantasy that he has the power to do differently. And as a result of that fact, if your God is all-powerful and all-knowing and willingly and knowingly subjects beings to suffering, eternal suffering no less, then he cannot by any stretch of the imagination be called all-good at the same time.

And yes, actually you are slaves. The price of your partition of Jesus' body and blood is bought through unwavering and unending enslavement to God. It may only be through his sacrifice that the forgiveness of your debts became so cheap, however the forgiveness of your debts still have a condition for you to uphold, and that condition is enslavement to God. Don't believe me, however, believe the same Bible that you quote around:

• 1 Corinthians 6:19: You are not your own person, you were bought by God for a price.
• Romans 6:16-18: Present yourself as an obedient slave to God. Voluntarily make yourself a slave to God. Become slaves of righteousness (i.e. God's will).
• Matthew 6:24: You cannot serve two enslavers, your choice is between God or something else.
• Romans 12:2: Do not act by your own will, but by God's will and desires instead.

And yes, actually, you are instructed to obediently follow the law. Don't believe me, however, believe the same Bible that you quote around:

• John 8:34: Anyone who practices sin is a slave to sin (and recall that you can only have a single master...)
• 1 Peter 2:13-19: Be obedient and submissive to Earthly rulers, for that is God's will. Be subject to your enslavers, no matter how terrible and cruel they are.
• Ephesians 6:5: Fear your enslavers on Earth just as you fear God.
• James 2:10: If you break even a single law, you have broken them all.

These are very fundamental Christian teachings, and I would reckon that any sincere and earnestly believing Christian would at least be aware of them if not familiar with them. I was certainly very familiar with them when I converted into Christianity after reading the New Testament. So you are either not a sincerely and earnestly believing Christian or intentionally being deceptive in your picking and choosing of verses from the Bible, which also calls into question your faith if you feel the need to pretty up God's word by twisting and contorting it to your own interpretation. Likewise, based on these verses and your own dictation of Satan, there are very clear similarities between the Christians and Satan, such as the knowing disobedience of his laws and the voluntary submission to sin.

[NorthernPesos]

So, an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God intentionally develops a system in which one of his creations is forced to suffer with no end. So much for mercy and forgiveness. Of course, God's treatment of Satan is reflective of the general Christian belief system more broadly as well. The wages of sins are paid off, and their price is not the death of Jesus, but rather one's unending obedience to a slaver, as the New Testament routinely and fittingly describes him.

Mankind and Angels originally had free will. Some Angels fell from heaven and became demons by choosing their own will over God. Mankind chose their own will over God's will, and now all men are severed from God and completely unable to save themselves. That's why God died for us, because we were made in His Image and He desired us to have fellowship with Him. But God forces no one to repent, He works in our hearts through the Holy Spirit, by the Gospel, some accept it and are saved, some reject it and are condemned because their sins have no atonement.

And no, you're wrong, we are not saved by "unending obedience to a slaver", whatever that means. Paul says clearly that we are not saved by following the Law (Galatians 2:16), we are saved because God in His Mercy sent Jesus to bear our sins. Jesus took our sins upon Himself and suffered hell on the cross, He suffered physical death and the second death (total separation from God). When He rose again, it showed that Christ was justified of all those sins which kept Him in the grave, meaning they are no longer our sins either, they were removed from us. We are saved only by trusting in Christ, and this faith naturally produces good works and obedience, just like a tree produces fruit, not the other way around.

Satan has no redemption and seeks no redemption. He knows very well what God had commanded and continually breaks that law and takes others with him. The Bible calls him a liar and a murderer from the beginning:

John 8:44 (Jesus said) "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Btw Satan and the devil are different beings.

Revelation 20:2
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Well said, I agree with most of what you wrote and for all that I know for sure you could end up being correct in all of it. If Satan comes to some level of repentance and restoration for all that I know that could happen after the events described in the Book of Revelation that I assume takes us at least one thousand and one hundred years into the future?!

About five years ago I heard a truly astonishing explanation for the sign of Jonah that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus said would be the only sign that His generation, and perhaps even our generation would be given.

Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here." [Matthew 12:38 to 41]

Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai Th. D. in chapter six of his book and online free course "Heavenly Visitation" testifies being shown that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus went to the lowest level of hell itself during at least part of those three days in the heart of the earth.

My idea of at least "Azazel" being restored to his Creator is based on hidden meaning related to Yom Kippur in what Messiah Yeshua - Jesus did during that week back in thirty one C. E.

In my opinion every Christian theologian who hears about what that near death experiencer was shown will find that to be profoundly moving. Christian theologians do know Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as the sinless Passover Lamb but in what way could He also have played a role of a Yom Kippur "goat for Azazel?" That is a different and much more troubling question!

[Vendellamoore]

Mankind and Angels originally had free will. Some Angels fell from heaven and became demons by choosing their own will over God. Mankind chose their own will over God's will, and now all men are severed from God and completely unable to save themselves. That's why God died for us, because we were made in His Image and He desired us to have fellowship with Him. But God forces no one to repent, He works in our hearts through the Holy Spirit, by the Gospel, some accept it and are saved, some reject it and are condemned because their sins have no atonement.

And no, you're wrong, we are not saved by "unending obedience to a slaver", whatever that means. Paul says clearly that we are not saved by following the Law (Galatians 2:16), we are saved because God in His Mercy sent Jesus to bear our sins. Jesus took our sins upon Himself and suffered hell on the cross, He suffered physical death and the second death (total separation from God). When He rose again, it showed that Christ was justified of all those sins which kept Him in the grave, meaning they are no longer our sins either, they were removed from us. We are saved only by trusting in Christ, and this faith naturally produces good works and obedience, just like a tree produces fruit, not the other way around.

Satan has no redemption and seeks no redemption. He knows very well what God had commanded and continually breaks that law and takes others with him. The Bible calls him a liar and a murderer from the beginning:

John 8:44 (Jesus said) "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Free will cannot exists in a world with an all-powerful and all-knowing God. God cannot simultaneously know everything and determine everything except for one's actions and still be all-powerful and all-knowing. Even many Christians agree to that much simple fact. For all intents and purposes, unless the God you believe in is not all-powerful and/or all-knowing, God absolutely did a system which exists for the simple purpose of creating suffering, forcing some beings to suffer without end, all for some cosmic fantasy that he has the power to do differently. And as a result of that fact, if your God is all-powerful and all-knowing and willingly and knowingly subjects beings to suffering, eternal suffering no less, then he cannot by any stretch of the imagination be called all-good at the same time.

And yes, actually you are slaves. The price of your partition of Jesus' body and blood is bought through unwavering and unending enslavement to God. It may only be through his sacrifice that the forgiveness of your debts became so cheap, however the forgiveness of your debts still have a condition for you to uphold, and that condition is enslavement to God. Don't believe me, however, believe the same Bible that you quote around:

• 1 Corinthians 6:19: You are not your own person, you were bought by God for a price.
• Romans 6:16-18: Present yourself as an obedient slave to God. Voluntarily make yourself a slave to God. Become slaves of righteousness (i.e. God's will).
• Matthew 6:24: You cannot serve two enslavers, your choice is between God or something else.
• Romans 12:2: Do not act by your own will, but by God's will and desires instead.

And yes, actually, you are instructed to obediently follow the law. Don't believe me, however, believe the same Bible that you quote around:

• John 8:34: Anyone who practices sin is a slave to sin (and recall that you can only have a single master...)
• 1 Peter 2:13-19: Be obedient and submissive to Earthly rulers, for that is God's will. Be subject to your enslavers, no matter how terrible and cruel they are.
• Ephesians 6:5: Fear your enslavers on Earth just as you fear God.
• James 2:10: If you break even a single law, you have broken them all.

These are very fundamental Christian teachings, and I would reckon that any sincere and earnestly believing Christian would at least be aware of them if not familiar with them. I was certainly very familiar with them when I converted into Christianity after reading the New Testament. So you are either not a sincerely and earnestly believing Christian or intentionally being deceptive in your picking and choosing of verses from the Bible, which also calls into question your faith if you feel the need to pretty up God's word by twisting and contorting it to your own interpretation. Likewise, based on these verses and your own dictation of Satan, there are very clear similarities between the Christians and Satan, such as the knowing disobedience of his laws and the voluntary submission to sin.

1. I never said God determined all things. God foreknows everything, but that doesn't mean He caused everything to happen the way it did. Free will doesn't exist if we're talking about freedom to choose God. We cannot choose God unless God enlightens our hearts, but if we reject His Grace by sinning and despising it, we end up losing the salvation won for us. As the Bible says "Do not harden your hearts" (Hebrews 3:7-8)

2. I never said we weren't slaves of God. We are, but the act of being obedient to God is NOT what grants us salvation. We obey God BECAUSE He has paid for us with the price of blood, not because we have to be obedient to earn forgiveness. That's why Paul says you are not your own, you belong to God, because God redeemed your soul from hell. But He didn't redeem you because you obeyed Him, He redeemed you purely by Grace, and because you are redeemed, you obey Him. That's why the Bible says "When the loving kindness of God our savior appeared, He saved us, not because of our own works done in righteousness, but through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:4-5)

3. I never said we did NOT have to follow the Law, I said that we cannot be saved by following the Law. The Bible makes it very clear. "For by works of the Law will no man be justified" (Romans 3:20). You are believing the error that works of the Law save us. The Law is intended to show us our sins so that we see our unworthiness and flee to Jesus for salvation, "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24).

4. I am not ignoring verses or being deceptive whatsoever, just because I do not share the same theology you did (which was no doubt a legalistic charismatic type of faith), does not mean I am not sincere in my faith. I am a Lutheran. We teach the proper distinction between Law and Gospel, summarized as "The Law shows us our sins, the Gospel shows us our savior". The Law tells us what to do and what not to do, and threatens us with punishment. We cannot keep the Law. The Gospel tells us what God has done for us and gives us promises and salvation. The Gospel is received by faith alone.

[The Lazarene Republic]

And no, you're wrong, we are not saved by "unending obedience to a slaver", whatever that means. Paul says clearly that we are not saved by following the Law (Galatians 2:16), we are saved because God in His Mercy sent Jesus to bear our sins. Jesus took our sins upon Himself and suffered hell on the cross, He suffered physical death and the second death (total separation from God). When He rose again, it showed that Christ was justified of all those sins which kept Him in the grave, meaning they are no longer our sins either, they were removed from us. We are saved only by trusting in Christ, and this faith naturally produces good works and obedience, just like a tree produces fruit, not the other way around.

Paul says clearly that no one is saved by the Law, the Mosaic Law, not that the Gospel doesn’t require believers to cooperate with God’s grace to be justified. If the Law saved, then Christ’s death was without purpose, but if works don’t save, then Jesus’s teachings were no better than the Law of death and sin that came before them. The implication that anyone believes good works produce faith is a ridiculous strawman of the traditional Christian view that faith is dead without works. But belief doesn’t necessarily produce good works either; even Satan believes in God.

P.S. How can Lutherans seriously profess sola fide while believing in the necessity of baptism and the existence of mortal sin?

[Vendellamoore]

And no, you're wrong, we are not saved by "unending obedience to a slaver", whatever that means. Paul says clearly that we are not saved by following the Law (Galatians 2:16), we are saved because God in His Mercy sent Jesus to bear our sins. Jesus took our sins upon Himself and suffered hell on the cross, He suffered physical death and the second death (total separation from God). When He rose again, it showed that Christ was justified of all those sins which kept Him in the grave, meaning they are no longer our sins either, they were removed from us. We are saved only by trusting in Christ, and this faith naturally produces good works and obedience, just like a tree produces fruit, not the other way around.

Paul says clearly that no one is saved by the Law, the Mosaic Law, not that the Gospel doesn’t require believers to cooperate with God’s grace to be justified. If the Law saved, then Christ’s death was without purpose, but if works don’t save, then Jesus’s teachings were no better than the Law of death and sin that came before them. The implication that anyone believes good works produce faith is a ridiculous strawman of the traditional Christian view that faith is dead without works. But belief doesn’t necessary produce good works either; even Satan believes in God.

P.S. How can Lutherans seriously profess sola fide while believing in the necessity of baptism and the existence of mortal sin?

The Law isn't evil, the Law is perfect and good, it shows us what God demands and it is Holy. However, when we try to keep the law or justify ourselves, we end up realizing we can't keep it. Sin uses the law to work against us. Do note that we teach we cooperate with God in our sanctification, just not in our justification. Even then, the Bible says "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling", following it up with, "for it is GOD who works in you, both to will and to work for His Good Pleasure". In other words, God changes our will and makes us do good works, we can't change ourselves. Also you said faith alone isn't sufficient because even Satan believes, understand our faith is trust in God, Satan's "faith" is knowledge that God is real. Satan isn't saved because he doesn't trust in God. Just like it's not enough for us to believe God is real, we have to trust Him.

Now for your comment, understand what Sola Fide means. Sola Fide doesn't mean "we are saved BY faith alone" in the sense that faith is the only thing that saves, or that faith merits salvation. Sola Fide cannot exist without it's head, Sola Gratia. We are saved by GRACE ALONE, through Faith Alone. That is to say, the chief cause of salvation is God's Grace, and the only way we receive God's Grace is by faith. Faith is the hand that receives God's promises.

So when we say Baptism saves, understand Baptism is part of Sola Gratia - Baptism is a Grace of God. God's Grace is necessary for salvation. So I am baptized and receive God's Grace, and by faith I grasp that promise and am saved. Mortal sin doesn't mean faith alone isn't true. Mortal sin is willful sin which you commit, without repentance, to the point that you drive out the Holy Spirit. This doesn't challenge faith alone, it challenges Once Saved Only Saved, which we reject.

[Hittisha]

They are both one and the same. Satan is simply God's imagined alter ego/split personality conjured up to serve as an opponent for his game of 4D chess, because being the omnipotent, unchallenged ruler of the cosmos is going to get boring after a while, and the friction between opposing forces is necessary to stimulate the vitality of creation on the physical plane. If ever either party were to emerge victorious, then that just means it'll be time for a new game.

[Corporate Collective Salvation]

Just going by the question, I'd say not likely.
The Adversary is a creation Itself serving a specific purpose (not one most people think of) and I do not believe the mechanics of Christian salvation apply to angels, fallen or otherwise.
Besides, It hates humanity to an absolute degree we cannot fully appreciate.
Its service to the whole is pretty much predicated on It never reconciling with Him.

[Cyptopir]

No, and he shouldn't. That creator ain't worth restoring to.

[Floofybit]

It's still canon, though.

Indeed!

And near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley in 1975 was shown future events that sure do tend to make some sense out of that extremely challenging Book of Revelation.

Dannion Brinkley:
BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services."
(Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

Did this happen in the 90s? I wasn't there.

[Nea Skotia]

No, and he shouldn't. That creator ain't worth restoring to.

Ow! Sliced my finger open on that edge!

[Floofybit]

No, and he shouldn't. That creator ain't worth restoring to.

Ow! Sliced my finger open on that edge!

How sharp is your device? You might wanna sue the company

[Cyptopir]

No, and he shouldn't. That creator ain't worth restoring to.

Ow! Sliced my finger open on that edge!

Anything we don't like is edge, apparently.

[Imperial-Octavia]

This is pretty much my answer. There’s no way that he or any other demon could seeing as their choice and nature as (former) angels means that their choice to rebel is different to when a human sins and doesn’t allow them to repent like humans can.

Ow! Sliced my finger open on that edge!

Anything we don't like is edge, apparently.

> Goes into thread asking people of Abrahamic religions a question

> Gives intellectually void answer made solely to imply their God is worse than the embodiment of evil

> Is shocked when called edgy

If only Reddit atheism was contained to that hellsite.

[Cyptopir]

Anything we don't like is edge, apparently.

> Goes into thread asking people of Abrahamic religions a question

> Gives intellectually void answer made solely to imply their God is worse than the embodiment of evil

> Is shocked when called edgy

If only Reddit atheism was contained to that hellsite.

And that's a misinterpretation. Where in my single goddamn sentence did I imply satan good god bad? I only implied that the abrahamic god is not one worth worshipping (which isn't "ur god not real get good", crazy), absolutely nothing promoting satan.

And lemme just say, both of you, just calling other people's posts "edgy" or "reddit atheism" is not actually how rebuttals work. If that's all we're doing here, then I'm just gonna respond to any post you make with "ur mom, pwned".

[Vastiuq]

> Goes into thread asking people of Abrahamic religions a question

> Gives intellectually void answer made solely to imply their God is worse than the embodiment of evil

> Is shocked when called edgy

If only Reddit atheism was contained to that hellsite.

And that's a misinterpretation. Where in my single goddamn sentence did I imply satan good god bad? I only implied that the abrahamic god is not one worth worshipping (which isn't "ur god not real get good", crazy), absolutely nothing promoting satan.

And lemme just say, both of you, just calling other people's posts "edgy" or "reddit atheism" is not actually how rebuttals work. If that's all we're doing here, then I'm just gonna respond to any post you make with "ur mom, pwned".

Saying a certain God isn't worth worshiping, also lined up with you saying the Bible isn't good is enough to tell people you think he's bad to be fair.