American Politics: Turnabout Trump

[GMS Greater Miami Shores 1]

President Trump wants to take back the US Panama Canal Zone, that President Jimmy Carter should never have given to Panama. Annexing Canada s rich natural resources to the USA.

Buying or taking Greenland, the world’s largest island, is known for its vast and diverse natural resources. From mineral deposits to oil and gas reserves, renewable energy potential, fisheries, aquaculture, forestry, and agriculture.

does not fix it. It adds to it. Making America Great and Greater Again.

Yes President Trump is a Pro America First. Pro USA. American Nationalist Patriot President. https://www.earth-site.co.uk/Education/ ... griculture.

The charges that GMS never gives a reason for his Posts and comments and never Posts links to back up his statements is wrong. and I am GMS.

First off, stop putting "Trump is great and American" in almost all your posts. It's annoying, and it doesn't help your point at all. Second, the US has lots of oil reserves in Alaska, the oil is just protected by law, which would happen if we annexed greenland. Additionally, aquaculture is plenty sustanable in the US, and we have many forests, which again, are protected by law, which would happen in Greenland, too. Face it. It's not worth the trouble of international sanctions because we attacked a famously neutral country just to gain a few resources. You didn't even give a reason for annexing Panama, just that Carter shouldn't have done it.

Edit: Addtionally, annexing Greenland would just be a stopgap for the economy, which taxes are related to. And how would this help healthcare?????

Yes, the USA has a lot of rich natural resources like you say. Adding Canada s and Greenland's rich natural resources, makes the USA richer in natural resources.

You do have a point I have cut down on it. I have cut down on it, but I need to cut it out. I know it does not look like it to you, but I am trying to.

In this particular post I made, it fits the post.

Most of you guys are leftist democrats and other anti Trumps, who will never agree with me and us Republicans. So nothing I say, post and link too helps my case and our case. Nothing we say, post and link to helps our case.

But as long as I don't break any NS rules and I am respectful with all Persons like I am with you and all Persons. If any of my Pro Trump Posts in a respect full manner annoys another Person, it annoys another Person. It is their Problem. Not a Problem.

I Promise ill try harder to not do so.

Peace over and out till we post and chat with each other again, in a mutual respectful manner.

[Adamede]

You guys remember how Kamala lost because she focused on culture war issues while Trump tackled what matters to every day Americans like conquering Greenland, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, and keeping flags raised in defiance of a Presidential passing?

I remember about how Harris was the warmonger while Trump was a peacenik who wouldn’t start any new wars.

But then again that’s from the same people who thinks that China will pay the tariffs.

[Kostane]

First off, stop putting "Trump is great and American" in almost all your posts. It's annoying, and it doesn't help your point at all. Second, the US has lots of oil reserves in Alaska, the oil is just protected by law, which would happen if we annexed greenland. Additionally, aquaculture is plenty sustanable in the US, and we have many forests, which again, are protected by law, which would happen in Greenland, too. Face it. It's not worth the trouble of international sanctions because we attacked a famously neutral country just to gain a few resources. You didn't even give a reason for annexing Panama, just that Carter shouldn't have done it.

Edit: Addtionally, annexing Greenland would just be a stopgap for the economy, which taxes are related to. And how would this help healthcare?????

Yes, the USA has a lot of rich natural resources like you say. Adding Canada s and Greenland's rich natural resources, makes the USA richer in natural resources.

That's not how it works. You have to extract the natural resources to actually be able to use them. Currently, the U.S. has more resources than they are able to extract. Adding more resources will not fix the shortage in extraction, meaning that we will still extract the same amount of resources, and will only have a larger future supply.
Additionally, just because these resources would be produced in other countries doesn't mean American consumers wouldn't have access to them. Ideally, there would be few tariffs, and those goods could freely travel, resulting in prices decreasing because the countries that have the most experience with their terrain and resources would be the ones extracting them.

You do have a point I have cut down on it. I have cut down on it, but I need to cut it out. I know it does not look like it to you, but I am trying to.

In this particular post I made, it fits the post.

Most of you guys are leftist democrats and other anti Trumps, who will never agree with me and us Republicans. So nothing I say, post and link too helps my case and our case. Nothing we say, post and link to helps our case.

You aren't going to change anyone's opinion on Trump broadly. You can argue about specific policies with reasons why those are good. The problem is that you aren't doing so. Your manner of argumentation is not at all convincing because it usually consists of you saying "I have my facts and you have yours" over and over again the moment you are wrong. This makes your arguments less appealing because it's very easy to just reject your arguments using the same logic. It's also more convincing if you give at least the semblance of engaging with your opponent's argumentation, which general involves referencing specific parts of their post. This is why I break your post in different quotes, in order to make it easier to see which part specifically I am responding to.

[Adamede]

First off, stop putting "Trump is great and American" in almost all your posts. It's annoying, and it doesn't help your point at all. Second, the US has lots of oil reserves in Alaska, the oil is just protected by law, which would happen if we annexed greenland. Additionally, aquaculture is plenty sustanable in the US, and we have many forests, which again, are protected by law, which would happen in Greenland, too. Face it. It's not worth the trouble of international sanctions because we attacked a famously neutral country just to gain a few resources. You didn't even give a reason for annexing Panama, just that Carter shouldn't have done it.

Edit: Addtionally, annexing Greenland would just be a stopgap for the economy, which taxes are related to. And how would this help healthcare?????

Yes, the USA has a lot of rich natural resources like you say. Adding Canada s and Greenland's rich natural resources, makes the USA richer in natural resources.

You do have a point I have cut down on it. I have cut down on it, but I need to cut it out. I know it does not look like it to you, but I am trying to.

In this particular post I made, it fits the post.

Most of you guys are leftist democrats and other anti Trumps, who will never agree with me and us Republicans. So nothing I say, post and link too helps my case and our case. Nothing we say, post and link to helps our case.

But as long as I don't break any NS rules and I am respectful with all Persons like I am with you and all Persons. If any of my Pro Trump Posts in a respect full manner annoys another Person, it annoys another Person. It is their Problem. Not a Problem.

I Promise ill try harder to not do so.

Peace over and out till we post and chat with each other again, in a mutual respectful manner.

Tell me would those resources be worth the cost of occupation? The lives lost? Are you willing to die for that oil and lumber and minerals?

[GMS Greater Miami Shores 1]

Yes, the USA has a lot of rich natural resources like you say. Adding Canada s and Greenland's rich natural resources, makes the USA richer in natural resources.

That's not how it works. You have to extract the natural resources to actually be able to use them. Currently, the U.S. has more resources than they are able to extract. Adding more resources will not fix the shortage in extraction, meaning that we will still extract the same amount of resources, and will only have a larger future supply.
Additionally, just because these resources would be produced in other countries doesn't mean American consumers wouldn't have access to them. Ideally, there would be few tariffs, and those goods could freely travel, resulting in prices decreasing because the countries that have the most experience with their terrain and resources would be the ones extracting them.

You do have a point I have cut down on it. I have cut down on it, but I need to cut it out. I know it does not look like it to you, but I am trying to.

In this particular post I made, it fits the post.

Most of you guys are leftist democrats and other anti Trumps, who will never agree with me and us Republicans. So nothing I say, post and link too helps my case and our case. Nothing we say, post and link to helps our case.

You aren't going to change anyone's opinion on Trump.

I am going to keep this post as short as possible.

Dude, I am tired of these unnecessary back and forths. GMS this and GMS That. Read my sig. Hardly ever on and off NS and discord, a Person says to the other Person, I am wrong and you are right, my Bad.

But they expect me to agree with their anti Trump Posts, because of what they say, post and link too. But they never agree with anything I say, post and link to. They never agree with anything we say, post and link too.

Peace over and out, till we post and chat again, in a mutual respectful manner.

[Tarsonis]

2016 Shia LaBeouf is starting to make a lot more sense.

[GMS Greater Miami Shores 1]

Still not 'president' yet. But hey, that's a 'fact', so it doesn't matter...

01: Leftist Democrat, Mark Zuckerburg.
02: Elon Musk.
03: Leftist Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau.
04: Bill Gates, not confirmed.
05: Mike Love of the Beach Boys.
06: Sarah Netanyahu, wife of right wing Prime Minister of Israel Bibi Benjamin Netanyahu.
07: Bill Gates.
08: Right wing, economic libertarian President of Argentina, Javier Milei.
09: Right wing Prime Minister of Italy, Giorgia Meloni.
10: Right wing Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orbán.
11: and many more.

Mar-a-Lago: The ‘center of the universe’ where Trump meets with world leaders and celebrities. Famous figures such as Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Tesla and X owner Elon Musk pop up at breakfasts, luncheons and other social gatherings held daily at the opulent Mar-a-Lago club.

Over the weekend, Mike Love, one of the original members of the Beach Boys, performed the band’s greatest hits under an outdoor tent.

Bill Gates asked to come, tonight. Sara Netanyahu, the wife of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu another night.

Since being elected, Mr. Trump has welcomed to Mar-a-Lago Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary, a champion of “illiberal democracy,” as well as Argentina’s firebrand right-wing president, Javier Milei. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada became the first Group of 7 leaders to visit Mr. Trump in Florida since the election.

Right wing Prime Minister of Italy Giorgia Meloni. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/04/worl ... visit.html.

Mar a Lago Center of the universe: https://businessmirror.com.ph/2025/01/0 ... lebrities/

[Kostane]

That's not how it works. You have to extract the natural resources to actually be able to use them. Currently, the U.S. has more resources than they are able to extract. Adding more resources will not fix the shortage in extraction, meaning that we will still extract the same amount of resources, and will only have a larger future supply.
Additionally, just because these resources would be produced in other countries doesn't mean American consumers wouldn't have access to them. Ideally, there would be few tariffs, and those goods could freely travel, resulting in prices decreasing because the countries that have the most experience with their terrain and resources would be the ones extracting them.

You aren't going to change anyone's opinion on Trump.

I am going to keep this post as short as possible.

Dude, I am tired of these unnecessary back and forths. GMS this and GMS That. Read my sig. Hardly ever on and off NS and discord, a Person says to the other Person, I am wrong and you are right, my Bad.

But they expect me to agree with their anti Trump Posts, because of what they say, post and link too. But they never agree with anything I say, post and link to. They never agree with anything we say, post and link too.

Peace over and out, till we post and chat again, in a mutual respectful manner.

No one has ever expected you to agree with any anti-Trump posts. I don't know where you get that impression. And if you are tired of these back and forths, there's no reason you need to post here.

You've also edited the quoted section of my post so that it says something which does not go with what I am saying. You can change people's opinions over specific Trump policies. However, that's not likely to occur if your only reason why is pro-America BS without any rationale. The problem is that you are not good at convincing people, not that it's impossible to do so. You focus every post on Trump, only talking about Trump. It's a one-trick pony that people get tired of very quickly, and when they're tired on something, they tune out of it. If you focused on talking about the specific thing being discussed (in this case Panama, Greenland and/or Canada), people wouldn't tune out the moment they saw pro-Trump stuff.

[Kostane]

Still not 'president' yet. But hey, that's a 'fact', so it doesn't matter...

01: Leftist Democrat, Mark Zuckerburg.
02: Elon Musk.
03: Leftist Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau.
04: Bill Gates, not confirmed.
05: Mike Love of the Beach Boys.
06: Sarah Netanyahu, wife of right wing Prime Minister of Israel Bibi Benjamin Netanyahu.
07: Bill Gates.
08: Right wing, economic libertarian President of Argentina, Javier Milei.
09: Rigth wing Prime Minister of Italy, Giorgia Meloni.
10: Right wing Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orbán.
11: and many more.

Mar-a-Lago: The ‘center of the universe’ where Trump meets with world leaders and celebrities. Famous figures such as Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Tesla and X owner Elon Musk pop up at breakfasts, luncheons and other social gatherings held daily at the opulent Mar-a-Lago club.

Over the weekend, Mike Love, one of the original members of the Beach Boys, performed the band’s greatest hits under an outdoor tent.

Bill Gates asked to come, tonight. Sara Netanyahu, the wife of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu another night.

Since being elected, Mr. Trump has welcomed to Mar-a-Lago Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary, a champion of “illiberal democracy,” as well as Argentina’s firebrand right-wing president, Javier Milei. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada became the first Group of 7 leaders to visit Mr. Trump in Florida since the election.

Right wing Prime Minister of Italy Giorgia Meloni. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/04/worl ... visit.html.

Mar a Lago Center of the universe: https://businessmirror.com.ph/2025/01/0 ... lebrities/

So what?

[Quaxoglia]

The only insanity I can think of is a future leader of the US who is threatening to use military power to control soil of other independent countries. And trying to 'decide' what we can place on our soil and what not. And liberty? We have more freedom than the US, which is becoming a theocratic state.



Well, Belgium is de facto a nuclear power. Don't forget that :-)

Ah yes, Belgium, the country that keeps the world together with its nuclear capabilities. Even China will cower before Belgian might.

Belgium was (and is still) international famous for trying to find compromises with anyone and between anyone. But we will not let the soon-to-be US president tell us what we can and can not put in our own territorial waters. And if necessary, we should cut all ties with the US. Sad, because we have a close relation for hundreds of years. But yeah... if the soon-to-be president wants to abolish our long-time friendship, well. It's his fault. He has nothing to say about us, about Canada and not about Greenland.

[GMS Greater Miami Shores 1]

Right wing Brazilian Ex-president Jair Bolsonaro Invited to Inauguration. On his X account, Bolsonaro expressed his "honor at receiving the invitation." He also said that his lawyer, Paulo Bueno, has already requested Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes release his passport for the trip.

of course I don't expet the Brazilian Supreme Court to release his passport for the trip. But I wish he could be there. https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltal ... d/1194362/.

[Adamede]

The only insanity I can think of is a future leader of the US who is threatening to use military power to control soil of other independent countries. And trying to 'decide' what we can place on our soil and what not. And liberty? We have more freedom than the US, which is becoming a theocratic state.



Well, Belgium is de facto a nuclear power. Don't forget that :-)

Ah yes, Belgium, the country that keeps the world together with its nuclear capabilities. Even China will cower before Belgian might.

Nothing quite preserves your international might quite like pissing off all of your Allies.

[Fractalnavel]

Ah yes, Belgium, the country that keeps the world together with its nuclear capabilities. Even China will cower before Belgian might.

Belgium was (and is still) international famous for trying to find compromises with anyone and between anyone. But we will not let the soon-to-be US president tell us what we can and can not put in our own territorial waters. And if necessary, we should cut all ties with the US. Sad, because we have a close relation for hundreds of years. But yeah... if the soon-to-be president wants to abolish our long-time friendship, well. It's his fault. He has nothing to say about us, about Canada and not about Greenland.

Well, that's a short-term response to a short-term(?) problem. But it could bring up how reliable of a partner the US can be if its institutions (treaties, agreements, worldview) don't survive the regular changing of administrations. Tha's not "deep state", that's how it is supposed to work, and is arguably the primary attraction of the US to most other countries and businesses: its constancy. And that's also what irks its competitors the most. On both counts - attracting your friends, repelling your enemies - that's what you want.

Meanwhile a good chunk of american politics and and its population have been trying to detroy that - subvert, undermine, overthrow. And they have been seeing increasing successes there. Thank god the 'state' is 'deep', and resistant to such attacks. But it can only do so much, and it is about to see its greatest challenge to date.

So what does that mean to current and prospective allies and enemies? One would hope for some forebearance from the former, and hesitancy from the latter, as the insitutions kick in to moderate extremes of one sort or the other. And good friends will try to be there when needed to help them through the hard times. And will need to protect themselves prudently so that can remain the case. Meanwhile, they will need to step into the gaps left with adversaries. Letting that go would be unwise as well.

[The BlAAtschApen]

Ah yes, Belgium, the country that keeps the world together with its nuclear capabilities. Even China will cower before Belgian might.

Nothing quite preserves your international might quite like pissing off all of your Allies.

As opposed to Belgium, where the only pissing they do is done by statues

[Fractalnavel]

Nothing quite preserves your international might quite like pissing off all of your Allies.

As opposed to Belgium, where the only pissing they do is done by statues

Preposition? 'by' vs 'on''?

[Ifreann]

As opposed to Belgium, where the only pissing they do is done by statues

Preposition? 'by' vs 'on''?

The pissing is indeed done by the statue.

[Rusozak]

Ah yes, Belgium, the country that keeps the world together with its nuclear capabilities. Even China will cower before Belgian might.

Nothing quite preserves your international might quite like pissing off all of your Allies.

Americans are in for a painful dose of reality of just how important that "soft" power really was.

[USHALLNOTPASS]

Preposition? 'by' vs 'on''?

The pissing is indeed done by the statue.

I can’t believe the Dutch gave up their ability to piss so they could have a pissing statue. Truly a country in need of liberation by the US.

[Fractalnavel]

The pissing is indeed done by the statue.

I can’t believe the Dutch gave up their ability to piss so they could have a pissing statue. Truly a country in need of liberation by the US.

Maybe the correct choice is 'off'.

[Adamede]

Nothing quite preserves your international might quite like pissing off all of your Allies.

Americans are in for a painful dose of reality of just how important that "soft" power really was.

Indeed we are. Frankly we need it. Too arrogant.

[Elwher]

Still not 'president' yet. But hey, that's a 'fact', so it doesn't matter...

Ex-Presidents are, by tradition, referred to as President.

[Finium]

Invading another country in order to steal from it's inhabitants is evil, actually. If you want to kill people to take their things, you want a bad thing to happen.

[Incorporated States of Accountants]

Invading another country in order to steal from it's inhabitants is evil, actually. If you want to kill people to take their things, you want a bad thing to happen.

Wars of aggression, are almost always morally wrong and never justified.

[Rusozak]

Invading another country in order to steal from it's inhabitants is evil, actually. If you want to kill people to take their things, you want a bad thing to happen.

That it took about 20 minutes from MAGA to go from noninterventionist to drawing up invasion plans shows just how far gone the cultists are.

[Incorporated States of Accountants]

Invading another country in order to steal from it's inhabitants is evil, actually. If you want to kill people to take their things, you want a bad thing to happen.

That it took about 20 minutes from MAGA to go from noninterventionist to drawing up invasion plans shows just how far gone the cultists are.

I wonder how many republicans actually like the idea of invading Greenland and Panama. I wouldn’t be surprised if a third of them would actually support military intervention.