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Postby Southglory » Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:52 am

Puerto Rico Statehood is something I would like to see in my lifetime.
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Postby Cynedryca » Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:14 pm

Why would a country that perpetually gets its ass kicked in conflicts around the world (and when it actually does win, does so because of an international coalition supporting it), be attempting to start even more wars it can't win?
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Postby Durius » Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:17 pm

Cynedryca wrote:Why would a country that perpetually gets its ass kicked in conflicts around the world (and when it actually does win, does so because of an international coalition supporting it), be attempting to start even more wars it can't win?

Which country are you even talking about?
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Postby Cynedryca » Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:19 pm

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Cynedryca wrote:Why would a country that perpetually gets its ass kicked in conflicts around the world (and when it actually does win, does so because of an international coalition supporting it), be attempting to start even more wars it can't win?

Which country are you even talking about?

Clearly the one that seems to love Trump and voted for him.
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Postby Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs » Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:27 pm

Why does Trump feel the need to invade countries and territories that will fight back?

Kosovo is right there. They would happily take being a US state.

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Postby Afrikaner South Africa » Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:29 pm

Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs wrote:Why does Trump feel the need to invade countries and territories that will fight back?

Kosovo is right there. They would happily take being a US state.


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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:56 pm

Repreteop wrote:
Durius wrote:There is even less reason for the US to take over. Greenlanders want independence, not the US overlordship.


Oh, I'm sure Greenlanders would be trilled to be a second "floating island of garbage" how a Trump rallier so eloquently put it.


'And what army do they have.

If you want to go die in the fucking snow for some bullshit imperialist cause you go ahead. Leave everyone else out of it.

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Postby Askio » Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:03 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Durius wrote:I never said Puerto Ricans were bad people. I commented on the perennial financial crisis that Puerto Rico is facing (reason why many are pushing for statehood rather than stay on your amazing status quo) and on the eloquent Trumpist comments about the island. Please, do learn how to read. ;)

Don't forget that while they do technically have representatives, said reps can't actually vote on anything.


That's America for you - taxation with no real representation - meanwhile Greenlandians have their own parliament and can also vote for the Danish parliament, where they have equal representation and even a proportional voting system unlike in the US, which is barely democratic due to Gerrymandering

The reality is that a US rule in Greenland would mean far more disadvantages than staying in Denmark - Danish wages are comparable to the American wages, they have free public healthcare, better working conditions, paid leave, excellent welfare programs, free university and no book bans PLUS access to the EU internal market and various other markets that have a free trade agreement with the EU, a democratic voting system, representation and real autonomy.

But even suggesting to take over Greenland is the same level of immoral imperialism like Russia's takeover of Crimea - though I guess I'm not surprised, given Trump's sympathy for Russia. The new US foreign policy is peace with dictatorships and war with democracies and allies :clap: The only ones profiting from this are China, Russia and Iran...
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:46 pm

America should liberate Hong Kong. It's what Hong Kongers want. Better that then an eternity of communist rule.

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Postby Southglory » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:05 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:America should liberate Hong Kong. It's what Hong Kongers want. Better that then an eternity of communist rule.

https://youtu.be/VYWuLoAYrgE?feature=shared


As long as Macau is included.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:09 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:America should liberate Hong Kong. It's what Hong Kongers want. Better that then an eternity of communist rule.

https://youtu.be/VYWuLoAYrgE?feature=shared


A war with China would literally end all life on earth. You're willing to risk that for HK?

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Postby GMS Greater Miami Shores 1 » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:14 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:America should liberate Hong Kong. It's what Hong Kongers want. Better that then an eternity of communist rule.

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Postby Slembana » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:22 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:America should liberate Hong Kong. It's what Hong Kongers want. Better that then an eternity of communist rule.

https://youtu.be/VYWuLoAYrgE?feature=shared

How about no.
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Postby Turenia » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:26 pm

Cynedryca wrote:Why would a country that perpetually gets its ass kicked in conflicts around the world (and when it actually does win, does so because of an international coalition supporting it), be attempting to start even more wars it can't win?

Acting as if the US military isn't the strongest and most formidable fighting force in the history of the world

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Postby Cynedryca » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:32 pm

Turenia wrote:
Cynedryca wrote:Why would a country that perpetually gets its ass kicked in conflicts around the world (and when it actually does win, does so because of an international coalition supporting it), be attempting to start even more wars it can't win?

Acting as if the US military isn't the strongest and most formidable fighting force in the history of the world

And yet uneducated goat herders in the middle east managed to instill so much terror in American troops that thousands of veterans are still having PTSD fueled nightmares of that time they got clapped
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Postby Southglory » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:37 pm

Cynedryca wrote:
Turenia wrote:Acting as if the US military isn't the strongest and most formidable fighting force in the history of the world

And yet uneducated goat herders in the middle east managed to instill so much terror in American troops that thousands of veterans are still having PTSD fueled nightmares of that time they got clapped


I thought that was a recorded phenomenon in war but I guess Middle Easterners just act and are built different. Keep your child sex slaves you've earned em.
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Postby Turenia » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:37 pm

Cynedryca wrote:
Turenia wrote:Acting as if the US military isn't the strongest and most formidable fighting force in the history of the world

And yet uneducated goat herders in the middle east managed to instill so much terror in American troops that thousands of veterans are still having PTSD fueled nightmares of that time they got clapped

What uneducated goat herders?

Besides, PTSD doesn't take away from what I said.

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Postby GMS Greater Miami Shores 1 » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:38 pm

Southglory wrote:Puerto Rico Statehood is something I would like to see in my lifetime.

Puerto Rico has a higher GDP than x number of Hispanic nations. I think Puerto Rico can be and should be an independent nation. With ecconomic ties to the Hispanic and Latin Brazil economic union. I have the nation of NS San Juan Puerto Rico, by coincidence, The Presidenta of NS San Juan Puerto Rico is Jenniffer González-Colón with her Pic.

But Puerto Rico's Governor elections can be won by a plurality of the votes. The recent current Governor of Puerto Rico is, Jenniffer González-Colón, who won 41.22% of the vote against an Independence candidate with 30.81 % of the vote. By 10.41 %. She is from the Pro Republicans, center right New Progressive Party of Puerto Rico. a very badly named Political Party.

If Puerto Rico were to become a US state, they would probably be a Red state or at least a battle ground state.

According to Wikipedia, various sources vary slightly. 2024 Puerto Rico Governor Election: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Puer ... l_election
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Postby Cynedryca » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:44 pm

Southglory wrote:
Cynedryca wrote:And yet uneducated goat herders in the middle east managed to instill so much terror in American troops that thousands of veterans are still having PTSD fueled nightmares of that time they got clapped


I thought that was a recorded phenomenon in war but I guess Middle Easterners just act and are built different. Keep your child sex slaves you've earned em.

Is this a reference to the multiple US states that allow child marriage?
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Postby Cynedryca » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:45 pm

Turenia wrote:
Cynedryca wrote:And yet uneducated goat herders in the middle east managed to instill so much terror in American troops that thousands of veterans are still having PTSD fueled nightmares of that time they got clapped

What uneducated goat herders?

Besides, PTSD doesn't take away from what I said.

If the mighty US military can't successfully occupy Iraq or Afghanistan and turns tail and runs away, how do you expect it to possible occupy Canada?
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Postby Southglory » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:46 pm

Cynedryca wrote:
Southglory wrote:
I thought that was a recorded phenomenon in war but I guess Middle Easterners just act and are built different. Keep your child sex slaves you've earned em.

Is this a reference to the multiple US states that allow child marriage?


I was talking about the Middle East and Child Sex Slavery but you can make that reference too though, but I dont think those countries make a good effort to combat such things like multiple US states and their laws.
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Postby Durius » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:48 pm

Cynedryca wrote:
Turenia wrote:What uneducated goat herders?

Besides, PTSD doesn't take away from what I said.

If the mighty US military can't successfully occupy Iraq or Afghanistan and turns tail and runs away, how do you expect it to possible occupy Canada?

They successfully occupied both, though. And most of the Canadian lives along the US border. It would be way easier to sustain a prolongued occupation, though the US proper would be more exposed to terrorism.

But anyway, the statements from Trump so far mention forcing the annexation of Canada through economic warfare, not an actual annexation.
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Postby Cynedryca » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:49 pm

Southglory wrote:
Cynedryca wrote:Is this a reference to the multiple US states that allow child marriage?


I was talking about the Middle East and Child Sex Slavery but you can make that reference too though, but I dont think those countries make a good effort to combat such things like multiple US states and their laws.

Sounds to me like those backwards middle eastern countries and the US are two peas in a pod then.

Oh, and there are numerous lawmakers in the US who oppose any attempts to ban child marriage. How a country can elect this many pedophiles in government is news to me.
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Postby Southglory » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:55 pm

Cynedryca wrote:
Southglory wrote:
I was talking about the Middle East and Child Sex Slavery but you can make that reference too though, but I dont think those countries make a good effort to combat such things like multiple US states and their laws.

Sounds to me like those backwards middle eastern countries and the US are two peas in a pod then.

Oh, and there are numerous lawmakers in the US who oppose any attempts to ban child marriage. How a country can elect this many pedophiles in government is news to me.


Not really, different type of plant.

What a great point to bring up! Yeah and they get flak when considered for government positions, quite a few examples honestly. Well usually they don't run with it as a policy, as opposed to the middle eastern way of doing it by just tradition.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:57 pm

The US never "turned away" from imperialism in the first place. The only thing that's different now is Trump is threatening other white people instead of the global south and everyone is losing their minds about it. If he said he was going to bomb Iran or Botswana or something nobody would have given a shit.
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