Ukrainian War VII: Advent's Offspring

[New haven america]

SNIP

No Russia said NATO Did have boots on the ground. A NATO General being physically in Mariupol personally leading Azov, which is what Russia claimed, is very much boots on the ground.

Are you saying Russia was lying? But to you Russia never lies, so which is it.

Fun fact, lying is actually codified in the Russian language.

There's basically 3 forms of speech in Russian: Truth, Open Lies, and Subtle Lies. (Even have their own unique vocabulary and conjugation)

In this case, open lying tends to be a mocking type of lie, like, "We're doing something because we think xyz will happen, so we're covering our bases if it doesn't." It's basically a pre-emptive sarcastic defense of any bad or questionable action someone's going to take.

This is why Russia keeps harping on about Nazis. There's basically no Nazis in Ukraine, not really, and most Russians know this through the vocabulary and speaking style used, but it's the open lie being used to justify and defend their actions as they have no legit justification for the war. This is especially effective against the people who don't take the time to actually read about the situation...

[Port Carverton]

That would be true, if Russia wasn't selling those resources at a lower price than pre-invasion and using it to buy chinesium parts for their industrial sector

Over 1/3 of the electronics components on many of their missiles come from Western suppliers.

I wasn't even talking about their missiles, rather just their electronics and industrial goods in general.

Even then, having to rely on technology from your enemies is dangerous, especially when you have to buy them by proxy as they're more expensive

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Spoiler alert E.U. membership does not magically make one a high income democracy. Economy wise Romania is twice the size of Ukraine yet continues to be poor, corrupt, and a source of cheap labor. Like Greece and Italy even though they are some of the oldest E.U. members. Ukraine should look to China or Middle East if it doesn't want to be stabbed in the back. Which U.S. and E.U. will surely do.

...Romania, Greece, and Italy are high-income democracies at peace, with higher per-capita incomes and higher life expectancies than Russia has. If the European Union can turn Ukraine into the next Greece in 20 years, job well done.

I swear, Rosling was exactly right. People in the best-off countries have no global awareness and see nothing but an undifferentiated mass of poverty outside when in reality the difference between Italy and Ukraine is pretty bloody big, actually.

The US is an unreliable partner with many foreign policy problems, but to compare it to China--

[Manlinesslavia]

You admitting that GDP is a largely worthless metric in an age of stock markets, crypto, and other fictitious capital that doesn't reflect actual production?
Good thing Russia is "a gas station" whose economy is built on actual resource extraction and industry, and with a positive trade balance to boot. And they have plenty of other customers if the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot with double-edged sanctions.

That would be true, if Russia wasn't selling those resources at a lower price than pre-invasion and using it to buy chinesium parts for their industrial sector

>chinesium
Muh inferior chinaman goods. What do you think feeds the entirety of western industry?
And looks pretty average to me. Still higher than the 2014-2021 average, plus they're getting paid in non-dollar currencies. https://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/ ... atural-gas

[New haven america]

to a future when hopefully Ukraine will be a high-income democracy at peace in the European Union,

Spoiler alert E.U. membership does not magically make one a high income democracy. Economy wise Romania is twice the size of Ukraine yet continues to be poor, corrupt, and a source of cheap labor. Like Greece and Italy even though they are some of the oldest E.U. members. Ukraine should look to China or Middle East if it doesn't want to be stabbed in the back. Which U.S. and E.U. will surely do.

Ah, thank you for showcasing how idiotic your post is.

Greece joined in 1981 and only got in because they cooked their books, something that wasn't uncovered until ~2009.

Also, Italy was one of the strongest countries in Europe, but an anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution happened in the 80's and 90's, with the new standard right-wing government tanking everything. Being a part of the EU is the only reason Italy's not a failed state.

[America Universalis]

Fun fact, the missile name "Oreshnik" literally translates to "Nutter".

[Port Carverton]

Also, Italy was one of the strongest countries in Europe, but an anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution happened in the 80's and 90's, with the new standard right-wing government tanking everything. Being a part of the EU is the only reason Italy's not a failed state.

Italy was dominated by Christian democrats following the war. Idk how there could be a "quiet revolution" against the left when a centrist party was already keeping them out of power

[Manlinesslavia]

Spoiler alert E.U. membership does not magically make one a high income democracy. Economy wise Romania is twice the size of Ukraine yet continues to be poor, corrupt, and a source of cheap labor. Like Greece and Italy even though they are some of the oldest E.U. members. Ukraine should look to China or Middle East if it doesn't want to be stabbed in the back. Which U.S. and E.U. will surely do.

Ah, thank you for showcasing how idiotic your post is.

Greece joined in 1981 and only got in because they cooked their books, something that wasn't uncovered until ~2009.

Also, Italy was one of the strongest countries in Europe, but an anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution happened in the 80's and 90's, with the new standard right-wing government tanking everything. Being a part of the EU is the only reason Italy's not a failed state.

Based Greece.

And blame Gladio. Italy might have been a socialist state if not for those pesky CIA agents and their Nazi dogs.

[New haven america]

Ah, thank you for showcasing how idiotic your post is.

Greece joined in 1981 and only got in because they cooked their books, something that wasn't uncovered until ~2009.

Also, Italy was one of the strongest countries in Europe, but an anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution happened in the 80's and 90's, with the new standard right-wing government tanking everything. Being a part of the EU is the only reason Italy's not a failed state.

Based Greece.

And blame Gladio. Italy might have been a socialist state if not for those pesky CIA agents and their Nazi dogs.

It amazes me how often tankies worship the CIA.

No no, the CIA is incompetent, they're incapable at literally everything.

[New haven america]

Also, Italy was one of the strongest countries in Europe, but an anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution happened in the 80's and 90's, with the new standard right-wing government tanking everything. Being a part of the EU is the only reason Italy's not a failed state.

Italy was dominated by Christian democrats following the war. Idk how there could be a "quiet revolution" against the left when a centrist party was already keeping them out of power

Your American is showing.

European center-left is America's far left.

[Port Carverton]

Italy was dominated by Christian democrats following the war. Idk how there could be a "quiet revolution" against the left when a centrist party was already keeping them out of power

Your American is showing.

European center-left is America's far left.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. You said "anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution", which I'm asking you how that could be when Christian democrats were already keeping them out of power

[Manlinesslavia]

Fun fact, the missile name "Oreshnik" literally translates to "Nutter".

At the launched pad. Straight up "transporting, erecting, and launching it," and by "it," haha, well. Let's just say, my Oreshnik.

Based Greece.

And blame Gladio. Italy might have been a socialist state if not for those pesky CIA agents and their Nazi dogs.

It amazes me how often tankies worship the CIA.

No no, the CIA is incompetent, they're incapable at literally everything.

You're the one alleging a "quiet revolution" against communists. How did that happen and who kept it quiet, then? Enlighten us.

[New haven america]

Fun fact, the missile name "Oreshnik" literally translates to "Nutter".

At the launched pad. Straight up "transporting, erecting, and launching it," and by "it," haha, well. Let's just say, my Oreshnik.

It amazes me how often tankies worship the CIA.

No no, the CIA is incompetent, they're incapable at literally everything.

You're the one alleging a "quiet revolution" against communists. How did that happen and who kept it quiet, then? Enlighten us.

Generally the same reason why America's working class is trending more right-wing.

They were annoyed about perceived smugness from the left, don't understand basic economics, and have short term memory of how crappy right-wing governments are.

Basically, petty and uneducated bullshit that doomed the nation for decades. Same thing in America and the UK.

[New haven america]

Your American is showing.

European center-left is America's far left.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. You said "anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution", which I'm asking you how that could be when Christian democrats were already keeping them out of power

They weren't.

In fact, the successor party of the ICD is the Italian People's Party, which tend merged into the Italian Democrats, who are members and allies of The Party of European Socialists.

Your American is showing again.

[Deraililand]

No Russia said NATO Did have boots on the ground. A NATO General being physically in Mariupol personally leading Azov, which is what Russia claimed, is very much boots on the ground.

Are you saying Russia was lying? But to you Russia never lies, so which is it.

Fun fact, lying is actually codified in the Russian language.

There's basically 3 forms of speech in Russian: Truth, Open Lies, and Subtle Lies. (Even have their own unique words and conjugation)

In this case, open lying tends to be a mocking type of lie, like, "We're doing something because we think xyz will happen, so we're covering our bases." It's basically a pre-emptive sarcastic defense of any bad action someone's going to take.

This is why Russia keeps harping on about Nazis. There's basically no Nazis in Ukraine, not really, but it's the open lie being used to justify and defend their actions. This is especially against the people who don't take the time to actually read about the situation...

The sheer irony of you presenting this as some Russian specialty while listing off English terms for exactly the same concepts is wonderful

[Port Carverton]

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. You said "anti-socialist/communist quiet revolution", which I'm asking you how that could be when Christian democrats were already keeping them out of power

They weren't.

In fact, the successor party of the ICD is the Italian People's Party, which tend merged into the Italian Democrats, who are members and allies of The Party of European Socialists.

Your American is showing again.

The Italian People's Party (Italian: Partito Popolare Italiano, PPI) was a Christian-democratic,[6][7] centrist[8] and Christian-leftist[9] political party in Italy. The party was a member of the European People's Party (EPP).[10]

Are you sure? They were part of the EPP, a center-right EU party.

Not to mention I don't understand why you're saying "your American is showing again" when I'm saying they're centrist, not far-left.

[New haven america]

Fun fact, lying is actually codified in the Russian language.

There's basically 3 forms of speech in Russian: Truth, Open Lies, and Subtle Lies. (Even have their own unique words and conjugation)

In this case, open lying tends to be a mocking type of lie, like, "We're doing something because we think xyz will happen, so we're covering our bases." It's basically a pre-emptive sarcastic defense of any bad action someone's going to take.

This is why Russia keeps harping on about Nazis. There's basically no Nazis in Ukraine, not really, but it's the open lie being used to justify and defend their actions. This is especially against the people who don't take the time to actually read about the situation...

The sheer irony of you presenting this as some Russian specialty while listing off English terms for exactly the same concepts is wonderful

Ok.

What's the vocabulary and conjugation differences between Open Lies and Subtle Lies in English? If this is such a staple of language, this should be easy to answer.

Oh wait, that doesn't exist, because English culture has not evolved around lying through your teeth at every opportunity to save your ass from whatever authoritarian is in power and thus had no effect on the actual base features of the language.

[New haven america]

They weren't.

In fact, the successor party of the ICD is the Italian People's Party, which tend merged into the Italian Democrats, who are members and allies of The Party of European Socialists.

Your American is showing again.

The Italian People's Party (Italian: Partito Popolare Italiano, PPI) was a Christian-democratic,[6][7] centrist[8] and Christian-leftist[9] political party in Italy. The party was a member of the European People's Party (EPP).[10]

Are you sure? They were part of the EPP, a center-right EU party.

Not to mention I don't understand why you're saying "your American is showing again" when I'm saying they're centrist, not far-left.

European right-wing in Centrism in the US.

Far-right is the same across the continents though, so they have that in common.

Any other ignorance in your posts you'd like to showcase?

[Qaumodeen]

Oh wait, that doesn't exist, because English culture has not evolved around lying through your teeth at every opportunity to save your ass from whatever authoritarian is in power and thus had no effect on the actual base features of the language.

Yeah English culture has just evolved around swindling and exploiting other peoples and robbing their countries. That is how in the Anglo world "political corruption" becomes "lobbying."

[Port Carverton]

Are you sure? They were part of the EPP, a center-right EU party.

Not to mention I don't understand why you're saying "your American is showing again" when I'm saying they're centrist, not far-left.

European right-wing in Centrism in the US.

I really don't understand why you're saying that, I'm calling them centrist in the context of European politics.

[New haven america]

European right-wing in Centrism in the US.

I really don't understand why you're saying that, I'm calling them centrist in the context of European politics.

Oh look, retconning after he got called out.

[Port Carverton]

I really don't understand why you're saying that, I'm calling them centrist in the context of European politics.

Oh look, retconning after he got called out.

??? You were the one to bring US politics into this

[New haven america]

Oh wait, that doesn't exist, because English culture has not evolved around lying through your teeth at every opportunity to save your ass from whatever authoritarian is in power and thus had no effect on the actual base features of the language.

Yeah English culture has just evolved around swindling and exploiting other peoples and robbing their countries. That is how in the Anglo world "political corruption" becomes "lobbying."

Well, you're welcome to make that argument.

Personally, most would find that less egregious than flaying people alive for not professing loyalty to a Pedophilic Warlord.

[Manlinesslavia]

The sheer irony of you presenting this as some Russian specialty while listing off English terms for exactly the same concepts is wonderful

Ok.

What's the vocabulary and conjugation differences between Open Lies and Subtle Lies in English? If this is such a staple of language, this should be easy to answer.

Oh wait, that doesn't exist, because English culture has not evolved around lying through your teeth at every opportunity to save your ass from whatever authoritarian is in power and thus had no effect on the actual base features of the language.

This is some crazy blood libel tier hatemongering of an entire ethnic group. Besides, if Russian has these devious characteristics, then so does Belarusian and Ukrainian.

[New haven america]

Ok.

What's the vocabulary and conjugation differences between Open Lies and Subtle Lies in English? If this is such a staple of language, this should be easy to answer.

Oh wait, that doesn't exist, because English culture has not evolved around lying through your teeth at every opportunity to save your ass from whatever authoritarian is in power and thus had no effect on the actual base features of the language.

1. This is some crazy blood libel tier hatemongering of an entire ethnic group. Besides, if Russian has these devious characteristics, 2. then so does Belarusian and Ukrainian.

1. Uh no, this is a well known feature of the Russian language.

Spies and intelligence operatives need to be trained in these differences, in fact. A Finnish intelligence officer even goes over a bit about it here in 2018

2. Well no, because they speak Ukrainian and Belarussian, not Russian. Different languages have different rules.