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Chingis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Chingis » Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:19 pm

The Ice States wrote:
HAKu wrote:Not sure if this is temporary while last minute development is being done but the numerical nation list is currently broken:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=facti ... ew=nations

I also seem to be getting this issue.


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Stalin as a DEAT wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=faction/fid=113
Someone named their faction Bikini Atoll


DoS inevitable (not really, but I did rename the faction just in case)
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Chingis » Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:59 pm

Double posting to let you guys know to be cautious with the Shield Bank, not all the kinks have been fully sorted out. At the moment it looks like it does do its job, but only fires once, on the first time that a set of nukes goes from targeted to incoming. Hopefully, it should still kill the right amount of nukes, but keep an eye on it and let me know here how it is working if at all, and (after the event) if any tweaking is needed. I will probably redo it to keep firing every minute or so as was initially planned in the change log for the next event. It would still be great if you guys used it during the event so we could get a feel for how/if it works.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:23 pm

The shield bank looks like it's being capped at 66. I'm seeing brief periods where large donations temporarily push it over that value, but it keeps landing back at 66.
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Postby Well-Sprung Jack » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:31 pm

The lag is kinda horrific.

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Postby United Calanworie » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:36 pm

Its... definitely not great, yeah.
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Postby Warfburg » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:47 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:The shield bank looks like it's being capped at 66. I'm seeing brief periods where large donations temporarily push it over that value, but it keeps landing back at 66.

I'm also getting the same issue. Probably linked to very heavy server load.
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Postby United Calanworie » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:36 pm

Warfburg wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:The shield bank looks like it's being capped at 66. I'm seeing brief periods where large donations temporarily push it over that value, but it keeps landing back at 66.

I'm also getting the same issue. Probably linked to very heavy server load.

It's not linked to heavy server load.
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Postby Newlandiqia » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:53 pm

Roavin wrote:
West Barack and East Obama wrote:Would Bikini Atoll work as a normal faction aside from no one being able to be ejected and I suppose having no ROs to change faction appearance?


Yes, you'll be able to launch nukes and shield from there like any other. Note, though, that you can't explicitly join it - your nation(s) have to be deported there.

I can't launch nukes and shield though.
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Postby Improper Classifications » Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:20 pm

How many telegram stamps do I have to buy to make the server problem go away
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:54 pm

My nuke production page says that:
Production accumulates automatically over time, up to a cap of 50 for Military, Strategic, and Intel specialists and 200 for Economic Specialists. This cap is tripled for World Assembly members.

This is no longer the case: the cap is now 750 for non-Econ specialists and 3,000 for Econ specialists, each increased by 3.333333333...x for WA members.
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:31 pm

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=546865&p=41361898#p41361898

The shieldbank should now hold more than 66 shields. Please let me know if it's still broken.
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Postby La Xinga » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:11 pm

Dumb question: Why, when one attempts to shoot down missiles already shot down, does one sometimes receive "Your Defense Shield prepares for action, but the targeted nukes are already destroyed!", while sometimes one receives, "Your Defense Shield prepares for action, but the targeted nukes are already destroyed! Your resources are instead redirected to the next incoming threat"?

Edit: Seems this post was made by my main while I was logged into an alt?
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:13 pm

La Xinga wrote:Dumb question: Why, when one attempts to shoot down missiles already shot down, does one sometimes receive "Your Defense Shield prepares for action, but the targeted nukes are already destroyed!", while sometimes one receives, "Your Defense Shield prepares for action, but the targeted nukes are already destroyed! Your resources are instead redirected to the next incoming threat"?

That was a new addition this N-Day. Chingis's change dispatch explains it:
Shielding Overflow
It can be annoying, and a large time-waster in a pinch, to repetitively see the 'Your shields prepare to launch but the nukes have already been destroyed' message. To help relieve this somewhat, every time the user encounters this situation, there is now a 50% chance that their shields will deploy to clear the next incoming batch of nukes for their faction instead.
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Postby La Xinga » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:17 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Dumb question: Why, when one attempts to shoot down missiles already shot down, does one sometimes receive "Your Defense Shield prepares for action, but the targeted nukes are already destroyed!", while sometimes one receives, "Your Defense Shield prepares for action, but the targeted nukes are already destroyed! Your resources are instead redirected to the next incoming threat"?

That was a new addition this N-Day. Chingis's change dispatch explains it:
Shielding Overflow
It can be annoying, and a large time-waster in a pinch, to repetitively see the 'Your shields prepare to launch but the nukes have already been destroyed' message. To help relieve this somewhat, every time the user encounters this situation, there is now a 50% chance that their shields will deploy to clear the next incoming batch of nukes for their faction instead.

Is there a way to disable this? Sometimes I like to help particular nations, and would prefer for my shields to not go to "Puppet 76978065451".
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Postby Silver Steps » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:05 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=546865&p=41361898#p41361898

The shieldbank should now hold more than 66 shields. Please let me know if it's still broken.

Alas, my donation was displayed for a moment but we are back at 66.

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Postby Miravana » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:24 am

A suggestion for a future edit to the Shieldbank:

Allow ROs (maybe appearance ROs?) of the region who hosts a faction have the ability to turn on and off the deployment of shields from the shield bank, so factions can choose to save up their shield banks for assists on defending off volleys. Right now there is pretty much zero reason for an active player to deposit in the shield bank, but if this was the case, this would be more useable.
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Postby 9003 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:48 am

Miravana wrote:A suggestion for a future edit to the Shieldbank:

Allow ROs (maybe appearance ROs?) of the region who hosts a faction have the ability to turn on and off the deployment of shields from the shield bank, so factions can choose to save up their shield banks for assists on defending off volleys. Right now there is pretty much zero reason for an active player to deposit in the shield bank, but if this was the case, this would be more useable.


It saves on page loads. I dumped basically everything into the shield bank this game thus far and while it’s never been able to build up I do think that it cut down a lot of nukes while I was making more.

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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:58 am

I think a good compromise to the "I don't want this speciality, give me a different one!" is letting you hit a button that gives you a different random specialty... with the caveat that one of the options is losing your specialty entirely.

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Postby Minoa » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:00 am

What are the opinions on adapting region tags for factions? I think the adaptation of region tags for factions could be helpful for summarising their ideology or method of play.
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Postby Miravana » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:01 am

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I am getting this error when trying to defend my own nations in Bikini Atol
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Postby Minoa » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:56 am

Source: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tru ... production (archive snapshot)

I noticed that a destroyed nation is still accumulating production, after being reset to zero once at point of destruction (snapshot). Should that production level be kept at zero?
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Postby Stiklarstad » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:07 am

Several nations in my faction, myself included, are reporting having their faction switched without having switched.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:36 am

Stiklarstad wrote:Several nations in my faction, myself included, are reporting having their faction switched without having switched.

You were ejected into Bikini Atoll.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:40 am

Stiklarstad wrote:Several nations in my faction, myself included, are reporting having their faction switched without having switched.

If you are referring to Bikini Atoll, that is a faction which works like The Rejected Realms; nations' affiliations are switched to it when ejected from another faction by its owner(s).

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Postby Experina » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:14 pm

I mean... The shield bank is a good idea on paper but it encourages more puppets and makes larger factions even harder to crack, I think shields should be even harder to obtain, and remove or give the shield bank massive nerfs. I also think there needs to be something done about 5,000 nation factions, if gives the smaller ones no chance of getting to survive and get into the leaderboards, it is possible but very hard since you have to nuke and hope your friends manage to defend you against 7,000 nukes coming in your way.
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