Greece legalises equal marriage

[Cessarea]

Because I don't like it.

best argument ever. i can’t find any way to disprove this. you should find a job involving debate since you’re so good at it

Would you consider writing a letter of recommendation for them to Fox News? I think they would be interested.

[Necroghastia]

What's your metric for progress? Infidels stoned to death per year?

I just want American influence out of my country. Is that so bad to ask for?

That's not what you are asking for, though. Gay people aren't an American invention.

[TRUMP ALMIGHTY]

best argument ever. i can’t find any way to disprove this. you should find a job involving debate since you’re so good at it

Would you consider writing a letter of recommendation for them to Fox News? I think they would be interested.

I concur

[Ethel mermania]

I just want American influence out of my country. Is that so bad to ask for?

Oh, the irony of saying that same sex marriage is American influence when a bevy of countries legalized it before the US and are generally far more civil toward gay people even today.

Since the end of the second world War, America has been the biggest purveyor of western thought into the third world. It is an understandable misstatement.

[The Archregimancy]

Well? You can’t always get what you want.

But you can try sometime, and get what you need

Yes, an old school chum of my father's has been known to sing a ditty along those lines from time to time.


(Yes, my father went to school with Mick Jagger; no, I don't know - and have never met - Mick Jagger)

[New Friedetopia]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68310126

tl;dr , Greece legalised homosexual marriage today and the Greek Orthodox Church, which led the opposition to the bill, got screwed (yay!). For a country that's considered usually very conservative socially, that's a bit of a surprise. It's the fifteenth EU country to adopt equal marriage.
How much time for their bigger cousins just across the Ionian Sea to play the same trick on the Catholic Church?

ουράνια τόξα for everyone, folks.

I am an Italian Catholic. Maybe you are also Italian. But my mother is Romanian and I know a little bit about the culture of the East. People in Greece tend to be traditionalist and conservative as in most Orthodox countries. The fact that such a law passed despite the negative opinions of average people means that most of the elites, while talking about democracy, don't give a damn about the opinion of the people.

The truth is that homosexual activist NGOs are favored by powers such as the U.S., France and the U.K., and the rulers of countries affected by their influence often adapt under their pressure. The map of countries where homosexual "marriage" is recognized corresponds almost exactly to the list of countries under the influence of U.S. foreign policy. Exceptions are only a few cases of countries where there is exceptionally strong resistance to such laws, such as Italy, Poland and Japan. One likely reason for this policy is that homosexual activists are considered a reliable ally of Western countries: only Western powers defend and, often, favor them, so it is understandable how gay activism has every interest in exporting Western mindsets and interests.

I personally believe that recognizing homosexual "marriage" is a failure not only religiously, but humanly.

[Necroghastia]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68310126

tl;dr , Greece legalised homosexual marriage today and the Greek Orthodox Church, which led the opposition to the bill, got screwed (yay!). For a country that's considered usually very conservative socially, that's a bit of a surprise. It's the fifteenth EU country to adopt equal marriage.
How much time for their bigger cousins just across the Ionian Sea to play the same trick on the Catholic Church?

ουράνια τόξα for everyone, folks.

I am an Italian Catholic. Maybe you are also Italian. But my mother is Romanian and I know a little bit about the culture of the East. People in Greece tend to be traditionalist and conservative as in most Orthodox countries. The fact that such a law passed despite the negative opinions of average people means that most of the elites, while talking about democracy, don't give a damn about the opinion of the people.

The truth is that homosexual activist NGOs are favored by powers such as the U.S., France and the U.K., and the rulers of countries affected by their influence often adapt under their pressure. The map of countries where homosexual "marriage" is recognized corresponds almost exactly to the list of countries under the influence of U.S. foreign policy. Exceptions are only a few cases of countries where there is exceptionally strong resistance to such laws, such as Italy, Poland and Japan. One likely reason for this policy is that homosexual activists are considered a reliable ally of Western countries: only Western powers defend and, often, favor them, so it is understandable how gay activism has every interest in exporting Western mindsets and interests.

I personally believe that recognizing homosexual "marriage" is a failure not only religiously, but humanly.

And yet, you don't give any reasons why it is a "human" failure.

[Port Carverton]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68310126

tl;dr , Greece legalised homosexual marriage today and the Greek Orthodox Church, which led the opposition to the bill, got screwed (yay!). For a country that's considered usually very conservative socially, that's a bit of a surprise. It's the fifteenth EU country to adopt equal marriage.
How much time for their bigger cousins just across the Ionian Sea to play the same trick on the Catholic Church?

ουράνια τόξα for everyone, folks.

I am an Italian Catholic. Maybe you are also Italian. But my mother is Romanian and I know a little bit about the culture of the East. People in Greece tend to be traditionalist and conservative as in most Orthodox countries. The fact that such a law passed despite the negative opinions of average people means that most of the elites, while talking about democracy, don't give a damn about the opinion of the people.

The truth is that homosexual activist NGOs are favored by powers such as the U.S., France and the U.K., and the rulers of countries affected by their influence often adapt under their pressure. The map of countries where homosexual "marriage" is recognized corresponds almost exactly to the list of countries under the influence of U.S. foreign policy. Exceptions are only a few cases of countries where there is exceptionally strong resistance to such laws, such as Italy, Poland and Japan. One likely reason for this policy is that homosexual activists are considered a reliable ally of Western countries: only Western powers defend and, often, favor them, so it is understandable how gay activism has every interest in exporting Western mindsets and interests.

I personally believe that recognizing homosexual "marriage" is a failure not only religiously, but humanly.

FYI Japan's population supports same-sex marriage by a simple majority.

[San Lumen]

Lots of gay couples have been raising kids over the last couple decades. So far it doesn't seem to be a problem. So if you aren't going to object to gay couples adopting on the grounds of your deity condemning the wicked homosexuals, what on Earth is your objection?

Because I don't like it.

Ok and this is not a legal argument or even good personal argument. What do you have against it? I went to college with someone who was raised by two men. They are the only family he has ever known and he turned out just fine.

[Rusozak]

What's your metric for progress? Infidels stoned to death per year?

I just want American influence out of my country. Is that so bad to ask for?

Weird thing to associate with American Imperialism. And ironic considering the evidence many places, including Iran and Greece, tolerated homosexuality before the arrival of Abrahamic religion.

[San Lumen]

What's your metric for progress? Infidels stoned to death per year?

I just want American influence out of my country. Is that so bad to ask for?

What? Plenty of countries legalized same sex marriage before the US did so I don't see your point at all.

[Kaumudeen]

I just want American influence out of my country. Is that so bad to ask for?

What? Plenty of countries legalized same sex marriage before the US did so I don't see your point at all.

Oh, the irony of saying that same sex marriage is American influence when a bevy of countries legalized it before the US and are generally far more civil toward gay people even today.

Weird thing to associate with American Imperialism. And ironic considering the evidence many places, including Iran and Greece, tolerated homosexuality before the arrival of Abrahamic religion.

The contemporary United States of America and it's government is the biggest promoter of homosexuality today. It is even incorporated into United States foreign policy.

Yes, there are countries that are as a whole more permissive towards homosexuality, but I am not talking about what some Evangelical state senator in Arkansas or Alabama says on the issue, I am talking about the policy of the United States government AND the activities of the American media which promotes homosexuality across the world.

[Necroghastia]

What? Plenty of countries legalized same sex marriage before the US did so I don't see your point at all.

Oh, the irony of saying that same sex marriage is American influence when a bevy of countries legalized it before the US and are generally far more civil toward gay people even today.

Weird thing to associate with American Imperialism. And ironic considering the evidence many places, including Iran and Greece, tolerated homosexuality before the arrival of Abrahamic religion.

The contemporary United States of America and it's government is the biggest promoter of homosexuality today. It is even incorporated into United States foreign policy.

Yes, there are countries that are as a whole more permissive towards homosexuality, but I am not talking about what some Evangelical state senator in Arkansas or Alabama says on the issue, I am talking about the policy of the United States government AND the activities of the American media which promotes homosexuality across the world.

Achilles didn't die for this.

[ImsaliA]

Yay!

[Aggicificicerous]

The contemporary United States of America and it's government is the biggest promoter of homosexuality today. It is even incorporated into United States foreign policy.

Yes, there are countries that are as a whole more permissive towards homosexuality, but I am not talking about what some Evangelical state senator in Arkansas or Alabama says on the issue, I am talking about the policy of the United States government AND the activities of the American media which promotes homosexuality across the world.

Damn, you make the US sound so much cooler than it is.

[San Lumen]

What? Plenty of countries legalized same sex marriage before the US did so I don't see your point at all.

Oh, the irony of saying that same sex marriage is American influence when a bevy of countries legalized it before the US and are generally far more civil toward gay people even today.

Weird thing to associate with American Imperialism. And ironic considering the evidence many places, including Iran and Greece, tolerated homosexuality before the arrival of Abrahamic religion.

The contemporary United States of America and it's government is the biggest promoter of homosexuality today. It is even incorporated into United States foreign policy.

Yes, there are countries that are as a whole more permissive towards homosexuality, but I am not talking about what some Evangelical state senator in Arkansas or Alabama says on the issue, I am talking about the policy of the United States government AND the activities of the American media which promotes homosexuality across the world.

I very much doubt other countries give a darn what we think.

[Ifreann]

The contemporary United States of America and it's government is the biggest promoter of homosexuality today. It is even incorporated into United States foreign policy.

Yes, there are countries that are as a whole more permissive towards homosexuality, but I am not talking about what some Evangelical state senator in Arkansas or Alabama says on the issue, I am talking about the policy of the United States government AND the activities of the American media which promotes homosexuality across the world.

Achilles didn't die for this.

Achilles and Patroclus were just roommates.

[Floofybit]

For safety and equality. Not to be "illiberal"

Nazi Germany would have told you elimination of the gays, gypsy, and jews were for public safety.

The society I have advocated for has never been akin to Nazi Germany.

[Port Carverton]

Nazi Germany would have told you elimination of the gays, gypsy, and jews were for public safety.

The society I have advocated for has never been akin to Nazi Germany.

No, it's just rebranded Oceania.

And he makes an excellent point. When the government says they're here to help more than providing basic services, welfare and protection to it's population, it's likely going to be evil. That's why we need to reduce government.

[Floofybit]

The society I have advocated for has never been akin to Nazi Germany.

No, it's just rebranded Oceania.

And he makes an excellent point. When the government says they're here to help more than providing basic services, welfare and protection to it's population, it's likely going to be evil. That's why we need to reduce government.

Basic services, welfare, and protection is already all that I'm asking from the government.

[Port Carverton]

No, it's just rebranded Oceania.

And he makes an excellent point. When the government says they're here to help more than providing basic services, welfare and protection to it's population, it's likely going to be evil. That's why we need to reduce government.

Basic services, welfare, and protection is already all that I'm asking from the government.

You don't need government to have 'extensive control' or 'humans should be submissive to stay safe', which is just treating people like cattle. This is not a game of Victoria 2 where you will sacrifice millions of men in the hopes of spreading communism. People have agency and should not be restricted from doing things for the greater good. Obviously there needs to be some restrictions into place, but if a farmer has to defend his land with weapons he will, if the boys go out to drink they will. Humans are naturally sinful, so there is no way to stop sin. Actually this risks the danger of becoming idolatry since the state could start to take over many parts of society.

[Thermodolia]

I just want American influence out of my country. Is that so bad to ask for?

That's not what you are asking for, though. Gay people aren't an American invention.

You don’t know that. For all you know we’re created in a CIA lab by Dr I.M Gay.

[ImsaliA]

That's not what you are asking for, though. Gay people aren't an American invention.

You don’t know that. For all you know we’re created in a CIA lab by Dr I.M Gay.

Gays are made, not born.

[Thermodolia]

The contemporary United States of America and it's government is the biggest promoter of homosexuality today. It is even incorporated into United States foreign policy.

Yes, there are countries that are as a whole more permissive towards homosexuality, but I am not talking about what some Evangelical state senator in Arkansas or Alabama says on the issue, I am talking about the policy of the United States government AND the activities of the American media which promotes homosexuality across the world.

Damn, you make the US sound so much cooler than it is.

LBGT Rights are non-negotiable. You will be assimilated. Praise Freedom Prime.

[Cessarea]

You don’t know that. For all you know we’re created in a CIA lab by Dr I.M Gay.

Gays are made, not born.

I myself remember my first years in this world: being genetically altered in a CIA facility. Honestly, I was a bit pissed that I was being deployed to South America, but oh well. We don't really get to choose our assignments. They told me to spread our evil child-eating cabal of gayness her, so I did.