The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC)

[Bushdome]

Hmmm on second thoughts I'm gonna drop the idea, becuase it would just end in running battles all over the place with no real out come. I mean thats what hooliganism is in RL. lol

[Arroza]

Interestingly enough, Alfredo Valente just quit, in order to probably fail horribly at getting the Jeru FC job, and Arroza is in need of a National Team coach.

I would be happy to work something out; I rather have him in a foreign team than in the national team, since my ultimate aim is to show how Macabee football has become "international".

Well, it sounds good to me

[Daehanjeiguk]

Hmmm on second thoughts I'm gonna drop the idea, becuase it would just end in running battles all over the place with no real out come. I mean thats what hooliganism is in RL. lol

eh, all you need to do to start a war in this world is make a movie. and war's probably more exciting than hooligans running amuck...

EDIt - wtf with all of these bids? do they want us to make a decision? noting I do support democratic processes unequivocally...

[Yafor 2]

EDIt - wtf with all of these bids? do they want us to make a decision? noting I do support democratic processes unequivocally...

Yes

[Taeshan]

Dae, i think they're trying to get rid of us not to old teams so they wonbt have to rp as much, then when we're allgone they'll laugh at the newbies and have no trouble winning because we will all leave because they will make us not want to stay because we may need to make good decisions.

[The Macabees]

Well, it sounds good to me

Alright, we can leave it at an "undisclosed" price (not sure what would be a good contract), with a bonus if the team qualifies and whatnot.

[Taeshan]

I would like to say a happy anniversary to the Kura Pellandi people as they are now done with their second year on the site. With of course being KP second nation.

[Arroza]

Well, it sounds good to me

Alright, we can leave it at an "undisclosed" price (not sure what would be a good contract), with a bonus if the team qualifies and whatnot.

Woohoo, off to the Cup of Harmony thread I go!

We've got between 104 and 106 nations signed up for WC47 already. I like the giant turnout.

[Taeshan]

It should help the older nations chances with knew teams to beat up on, and it will give you more chances to win, and an advantage as the big teams will also need to play the same ammount of new teams and be forced to a place where they will also have to keep their winning ways up to advance.

[Dancougar]

It should help the older nations chances with knew teams to beat up on, and it will give you more chances to win, and an advantage as the big teams will also need to play the same ammount of new teams and be forced to a place where they will also have to keep their winning ways up to advance.

I don't know if I want to have to battle a whole group of Silexheras. One was enough...

[Jeruselem]

Hmmm on second thoughts I'm gonna drop the idea, becuase it would just end in running battles all over the place with no real out come. I mean thats what hooliganism is in RL. lol

In Jeruselem, police have a tendency to shoot hooligans

[Qazox]

In Qazox, Police riot on the Hooligans! and on Bostopians, and Taeshanis and other nations we dont like...

[Starblaydia]

We've got between 104 and 106 nations signed up for WC47 already. I like the giant turnout.

It should help the older nations chances with knew teams to beat up on, and it will give you more chances to win, and an advantage as the big teams will also need to play the same ammount of new teams and be forced to a place where they will also have to keep their winning ways up to advance.

Having topped 100 nations for the first time in a long time, with a massive BoF (at least 27 participants so far), things are looking up for the World Cup and, obviously, for NS itself. The secret will be if we (both as NS itself or the NSWC in particular) can retain lots of the new nations to keep us going strong and take us well into the 50s and even 60s, in terms of cups, with a level of participation similar to what we have now.

With this in mind, I'm going to make a semi Presidential-type request for whoever ends up hosting the BoF and the Cup itself:

Please, if you weren't going to already, TG the participants (everyone, yes, but I'm mostly talking about the new ones) that the Cup they've signed up for is beginning. Link them to it, and also to the WCDT if they have any questions. We used to have a Communications Committee in days of yore in order to make sure everyone knew what was going on.

We're on new forums, with lots of new players and the good old World Cup is chugging along quite nicely now. I urge all hosts and participants to make the newcomers feel extra-welcome. Even more so than usual

[Bears Armed]

Please, if you weren't going to already, TG the participants (everyone, yes, but I'm mostly talking about the new ones) that the Cup they've signed up for is beginning. Link them to it, and also to the WCDT if they have any questions. We used to have a Communications Committee in days of yore in order to make sure everyone knew what was going on.

We're on new forums, with lots of new players and the good old World Cup is chugging along quite nicely now. I urge all hosts and participants to make the newcomers feel extra-welcome. Even more so than usual

Bears Armed has just withdrawn its mission from the WA, which means that its diplomatic staff will now have more time for other activities: The 'Committte for the Strangers' (i.e. 'Foreign Ministry') therefore volunteers assistance if such a 'Communications Committee' gets re-established.

[Daehanjeiguk]

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[Starblaydia]

Fleshed out a little more, added the KPB ranks and some blurbs. If there are no complations/suggestions/reformats, then I'll put this to a WCC-wide vote at the same time as the World Cup Hosting vote (speaking of which, it's almost time for the BoF vote - LE/Bos can we have at least a bid post, thanks):

Constitution of the World Cup Committee
This constitution replaces all previous World Cup Committee rules.

Overview
The World Cup Committee (WCC) is a body of nations to regulate and run the Nationstates World Cup (NSWC or WC) and its two associated tournaments, the Baptism of Fire (BoF) and Cup of Harmony (CoH), made up of nations involved in those tournaments. It is older than the World Assembly, but younger than the United Nations before it Ceased and Desisted.

1. Organisation
The World Cup Committee consists of: A President, a Vice-President and two types of members. 'Regular' WCC members, and 'Executive' members who form the Executive World Cup Committee (EWCC). It is, contrary to popular belief, run by a set of rules, which are detailed in this constitution.

1.1 The World Cup Committee

1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership of the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.1.2 Rights and Obligations
WCC members are allowed to:
i) Nominate and vote for a WCC President and Vice-President
ii) Vote on World Cup hosting bids.
iii) Propose and vote on changes to the WCC Constitution

1.2 The Executive World Cup Committee

1.2.1 Entry
Users of nations which have hosted a World Cup to its completion are admitted permanently to the EWCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.2.2 Rights and Obligations
EWCC members are allowed to, in addition to the rights of a WCC member:
i) Vote on Cup of Harmony hosting bids
ii) Vote on Baptism of Fire hosting bids.

1.2.3 Other (E)WCC Rules
i) The list of members of the EWCC and WCC must be publicly available.
ii) Should one person control multiple nations on the WCC or EWCC, those nations will have only one combined vote, and be considered as a user.
iiI) Should one person deceive people into believing that their nations participating in WCC-sanctioned events are controlled by separate people, all nations controlled by that person will be removed from the WCC and EWCC, and can only be reinstated by a vote of the EWCC.

1.3 The Presidency
The WCC President acts as a figurehead for the World Cup Committee, and is elected from a list of nominees nominated by the WCC. The President calls for and collects the votes (via telegram, instant message, smoke signal, carrier pigeon, etc) for World Cup Host, Cup of Harmony Host and WCC President votes, as well as begins and maintains the World Cup Signups thread. The President is usually a pillar of the World Cup community.

1.3.1 Appointment
i) Presidential terms shall last for three World Cups (eg 46-48, 49-51, 52-54, etc)
ii) Elections for the WCC President shall be held after every third World Cup, giving adequate preparation time for any hand-over to take place immediately upon completion (i.e. the World Cup and Cup of Harmony Finals) of the last Cup in the Presidential cycle.
ii) Any WCC user may nominate any one other user for the position and any user receiving more than two nominations will be considered a candidate.
iii) Any user can decline to receive nominations.
iv) If there is only one candidate for President, that candidate will become the President. Otherwise, the WCC will vote on which of the candidates should be the President immediately after the nomination process. The candidate with the most votes will be the President and the candidate with the second-most votes will be the Vice-President.
v) If the President is unable to fulfill his/her duties, then the interim President shall be the first available person of: the Vice-President, the candidates in the most recent presidential election (sorted by highest vote total), the members of the EWCC (sorted by earliest WC hosted), and the hosts of the Baptism of Fire tournament and Cup of Harmony (sorted by earliest tournament hosted). If two or more eligible successors are equal in any of these criteria, then they shall be sorted in alphabetical order.

1.3.2 Responsibilities
i) The WCC President is responsible for initiating all WCC or EWCC votes, and makes the final decision on what proposals are voted upon, except when that decision would contradict a rule.
ii) The President maintains and provides the lists of WCC and EWCC members, determines the length of time of every vote, and may choose how to proceed if an EWCC or WCC vote results in a tie.
ii) The President will initiate World Cup Signups with the official NSWC Signups forum account, who's password will be made known to all Presidents.
iii) If the President is involved in a WCC-sanctioned hosting vote as a candidate, the Vice-President will be called on to collect the votes.

1.4 The Vice-President
i) The Vice-President is selected in accordance with rule 1.3.1
ii) The Vice-President is the first user responsible for taking over if the sitting WCC President is unable to fulfill his/her duties.
iii) If the President and Vice-President are both involved in a WCC-sanctioned hosting vote as candidates, members of the EWCC will be called on to collect the votes.

2. WCC-Sanctioned events
2.1 Overview
i) The World Cup, Cup of Harmony, and Baptism of Fire tournaments are the only WCC-sanctioned events. The WCC has no rights or responsibilities over the running of any other event.
ii) The host(s) of a WCC-sanctioned event have complete control and responsibility of that event, except where that control has been given to the WCC, EWCC, or WCC President by other rules.
iii) A party bidding to host a WCC-sanctioned event must clearly declare, before voting starts, any significant changes from the normal operation of the event.
iv)The EWCC may vote to replace the host(s) of a WCC-sanctioned event if they are no longer able to proceed as hosts or if there is a serious problem with how the event is run by the host(s). Should this happen, the President must choose the replacement host(s) from available bids.

2.2 The Baptism of Fire
The Baptism of Fire is the first event in the World Cup cycle, being a pre-World Cup tournament for newcomer nations. It is a warm-up event that has continually unearthed the best new nations in world football. And the worst. In fact, all of them, regardless of quality.

2.2.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the BoF are:
i) A nation must not have previously participated in a Baptism of Fire
ii) A nation must have zero KPB points at the beginning of the World Cup cycle
iii) A nation must have signed up for the World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread and also indicated a wish to enter the Baptism of Fire.

2.2.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup may bid to host the BoF.
ii) Two-host bids are the preferred format, though any number of hosts are acceptable.
iii) The EWCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.

2.3 The World Cup
The World Cup is the second, and most important, event in the World Cup Cycle. It will always consist of 32 teams (including the co-hosts), who have been whittled down by the Qualifying Process to turn scores of hopeful countries into thirty relieved ones and countless disappointed ones. It is the longest running sports competition on Nationstates, dating back to early 2003 when internet piracy barely existed, and Max Barry was still trying to simply promote a book.

2.3.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the World cup are:
i) A nation must have signed up for the World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread
ii) A user may only sign up one nation in their first entry, but may from their second entry onwards sign up a second nation known as a puppet. This nation will be treated separately for the purposes of BoF/WC/CoH entry, but will not give the user a second vote on the WCC or EWCC.

2.3.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup may bid to host the World Cup, except if the user has hosted one of the previous two cups.
ii) Bids must consist of at least two hosts.
iii) The WCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.

2.4 The Cup of Harmony
The Cup of Harmony is the third and last event in the World Cup cycle. It is designed to be the Cup of Losers Non-Qualifiers, who have failed to get to the World Cup itself but have still demonstrated an insane desire to try and lift some sort of silverware. Originally called the Frosty Cup, the term Cup of Harmony is a much better name for the participating nations who just couldn't make it to the actual World Cup.

2.4.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the Cup of Harmony are:
i) A nation must have signed up for the corresponding World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread
ii) That nation must have failed to qualify for that World Cup, given the conditions set by the hosts.
iii) That nation must have posted at least one roleplay in the appropriate RP thread during the corresponding World Cup
iv) That nation must also have indicated a desire to play in the Cup of Harmony.

2.4.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup may bid to host the Cup of Harmony.
ii) Two-host bids are the preferred format, though any number of hosts are acceptable.
iii) The EWCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.

3. Official Rankings
Originally created by Kaze Progressa, with some modifications by Bedistan, the KPB rankings are the only place to compare one nation's skill (or lack thereof) with another.

3.1 KPB Rankings
i) Every World Cup shall use the official KPB Rankings system to determine ranks before the Qualifiers begin
ii) The ranking formula must be public
iii) The full list of ranks must be made publicly available in a suitable format
iv) Any changes to the KPB formula must be approved by WCC vote.

3.1.1 KPB Updates
i) The ranks must be updated in a timely manner by responsible and knowledgeable WCC members
ii) The ranks must be updated after the Baptism of Fire, so new nations receive their correct rank going into the World Cup (Qualifiers).
iii) The ranks may be updated after World Cup Qualifiers at the request of the World Cup hosts.
iv) The ranks must be updated after the World Cup and Cup of Harmony Finals have both finished.

4. Rule Changes
4.1 Procedure
i) This constitution takes effect once passed by a two-thirds majority of the WCC.
ii) The WCC may vote to amend or repeal any portion of this proposal.
iii) The WCC may vote to pass any new proposal. If a new proposal contradicts an older proposal, the new proposal supercedes the old one unless otherwise stated. Passage of a new proposal shall be achieved only if the proposal receives a majority of votes from those voting. If multiple contradicting proposals concerning the same subject are considered for vote simultaneously, at least two rounds of voting must be held, with an Instant Runoff/Preferential system also fulfilling this requirement.

4.2 Definitition of: "The (E)WCC may vote..."
i) When an EWCC or WCC vote is initiated by the President, a plurality vote (first past the post/most votes wins system) of that committee is required to make a decision, unless otherwise mandated.
ii) Any proposal by a WCC member can, if supported by three other WCC members, be put to a WCC-wide vote.

[Nethertopia]

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This World Cup is surprisingly surprising.

My two favourites are knocked out now, though. Thanks to you and some Frenchies

[Daehanjeiguk]

don't blame me, blame the hosts! (or the refs at least!)

[Jeruselem]

don't blame me, blame the hosts! (or the refs at least!)

Well, I blame both ..

[Septentrionia]

My two favourites are knocked out now, though. Thanks to you and some Frenchies

Well, if we can't beat elves, might as well beat the other godmods.

[Blouman Empire]

At least in this WCDT(OCC) thread I am able to read every single post not join in during WC39 and the 40 pages have already been posted.

Little do people know that I actually missed Baptism of Fire 26 signups by one day and opted to wait until WC40 so I could play in one while sitting back and observing WC 39.

Thank goodness for that, my campagin would have been even harder.

New forums, new NSWCDT ... and people are still arguing about Prux being a puppet of Qazox

I was always under the impression that these people were brothers. But I see Star has decided to limit these to one person and only one puppet so there we go.

[Daehanjeiguk]

My two favourites are knocked out now, though. Thanks to you and some Frenchies

Well, if we can't beat elves, might as well beat the other godmods.

C&M? GodMOD?!?

*pulls off a glove and slaps him*

You, sir, have insulted the finest establishment since World Cup 45! I challenge you to a duel!

[Tanah Burung]

Originally called the Frosty Cup, the term Cup of Harmony is a much better name for the participating nations who just couldn't make it to the actual World Cup.

What an outrageous suggestion.

[The Macabees]

It's kind of like the UEFA cup, or whatever they call it now.

[Jeruselem]

I was always under the impression that these people were brothers. But I see Star has decided to limit these to one person and only one puppet so there we go.

I think you're thinking of Qazox and Green Wombat.