American Politics: Supreme Court rejects 14th Amendment

[Northern Estrian Islands]

Are you kidding? Ilhan has been the breath of fresh air our government needs, and she says shit that nobody else has the balls to say.

You're pulling my leg, right? Omar and some House Democrats said a few days ago that El Salvador is committing human rights violations because they're cracking down on crime. These policies led El Salvador from being one of the most dangerous countries on Earth to being arguably the safest country in Latin America.

It's funny that a soft on crime Democrat is crying about people rightfully being locked up in a different country.

[Kalaron]

Are you kidding? Ilhan has been the breath of fresh air our government needs, and she says shit that nobody else has the balls to say.

You're pulling my leg, right? Omar and some House Democrats said a few days ago that El Salvador is committing human rights violations because they're cracking down on crime. These policies led El Salvador from being one of the most dangerous countries on Earth to being arguably the safest country in Latin America.

It's funny that a soft on crime Democrat is crying about people rightfully being locked up in a different country.

As of October 2023, local victims movements and human rights organizations had recorded more than 73,800 detentions, 327 cases of forced disappearances, approximately 102,000 people imprisoned – making El Salvador the country with the world’s highest incarceration rate – a rate of prison overcrowding of approximately 236%, and more than 190 deaths in state custody.

In March 2022, the Legislative Assembly adopted for 30 days a state of emergency that suspends some basic rights. Legislators had extended the measure nine times and it remained in place at time of writing.

Also in March, legislators approved gang-related legislation that allows authorities to imprison children as young as 12 and expands the use of pretrial detention.

Over 60,000 people were detained under the state of emergency between late March and mid-December, authorities report. Many arrests appear to have been based on the appearance or social background of the detainees, and local human rights groups have documented that hundreds of people with no connection to gangs have been detained.

Human rights organizations, including Cristosal and Human Rights Watch, have documented serious abuses by security forces during the state of emergency, including arbitrary arrests, enforced disappearances, torture and other forms of ill-treatment, and due process violations.

Cristosal reported over 2,900 cases of human rights violations during the state of emergency.

[Northern Estrian Islands]

As of October 2023, local victims movements and human rights organizations had recorded more than 73,800 detentions, 327 cases of forced disappearances, approximately 102,000 people imprisoned – making El Salvador the country with the world’s highest incarceration rate – a rate of prison overcrowding of approximately 236%, and more than 190 deaths in state custody.

This is going to be unpopular and might result in a three day ban but... Good.
Going from over 100 homicides per 100k people in 2015 to around 8 homicides per 100k people in 2022 is a massive achievement and something that was sorely needed. For comparison, about 50 cities in the USA have a higher homicide rate.

[Kalaron]

As of October 2023, local victims movements and human rights organizations had recorded more than 73,800 detentions, 327 cases of forced disappearances, approximately 102,000 people imprisoned – making El Salvador the country with the world’s highest incarceration rate – a rate of prison overcrowding of approximately 236%, and more than 190 deaths in state custody.

This is going to be unpopular and might result in a three day ban but... Good.
Going from over 100 homicides per 100k people in 2015 to around 8 homicides per 100k people in 2022 is a massive achievement and something that was sorely needed. For comparison, about 50 cities in the USA have a higher homicide rate.

You think it's good to forcibly disappear people without due process? And like, you think it's good when they die in state custody?

[Northern Estrian Islands]

You think it's good to forcibly disappear people without due process? And like, you think it's good when they die in state custody?

Criminals and gang members deserves what comes their way. Fuck around and find out, as they say. Bukele is extremely based.

[Tarsonis]

As of October 2023, local victims movements and human rights organizations had recorded more than 73,800 detentions, 327 cases of forced disappearances, approximately 102,000 people imprisoned – making El Salvador the country with the world’s highest incarceration rate – a rate of prison overcrowding of approximately 236%, and more than 190 deaths in state custody.

This is going to be unpopular and might result in a three day ban but... Good.
Going from over 100 homicides per 100k people in 2015 to around 8 homicides per 100k people in 2022 is a massive achievement and something that was sorely needed. For comparison, about 50 cities in the USA have a higher homicide rate.

I don't think we have to view this just one way or the other. We can acknowledge the good that was done, wresting control of the cities from gangs like MS-13 is objectively a good thing. The cities are safer, that cannot be denied.

At the same time, we can point out that it's being done with very little judicial oversight and without due process. It's easy to say scum like MS-13 doesn't deserve trials, but without oversight and due process, it's easy for A. Innocent people to be caught up in it, B. That process to be exploited to crack down on dissent, which interested parties have alleged is happening.

[Bradfordville]

You think it's good to forcibly disappear people without due process? And like, you think it's good when they die in state custody?

Criminals and gang members deserves what comes their way. Fuck around and find out, as they say. Bukele is extremely based.

Spoken both like a man who has never been poor, and like a man who has never been accused of something they didn't do.

El Salvadore is in more danger from government thugs than it is from any random gang.

[Kalaron]

You think it's good to forcibly disappear people without due process? And like, you think it's good when they die in state custody?

Criminals and gang members deserves what comes their way. Fuck around and find out, as they say. Bukele is extremely based.

...How do you know they're a criminal if you disappear them without a trial? Also, no, we generally shouldn't let people be murdered in the custody of the state.
Over 60,000 people were detained under the state of emergency between late March and mid-December, authorities report. Many arrests appear to have been based on the appearance or social background of the detainees, and local human rights groups have documented that hundreds of people with no connection to gangs have been detained.

[Bradfordville]

Are you kidding? Ilhan has been the breath of fresh air our government needs, and she says shit that nobody else has the balls to say.

You're pulling my leg, right? Omar and some House Democrats said a few days ago that El Salvador is committing human rights violations because they're cracking down on crime. These policies led El Salvador from being one of the most dangerous countries on Earth to being arguably the safest country in Latin America.

It's funny that a soft on crime Democrat is crying about people rightfully being locked up in a different country.

These policies are fascistic bullshit and more dangerous than any random street criminal could ever be. Omar is just being right again.

[Kalaron]

You're pulling my leg, right? Omar and some House Democrats said a few days ago that El Salvador is committing human rights violations because they're cracking down on crime. These policies led El Salvador from being one of the most dangerous countries on Earth to being arguably the safest country in Latin America.

It's funny that a soft on crime Democrat is crying about people rightfully being locked up in a different country.

These policies are fascistic bullshit and more dangerous than any random street criminal could ever be. Omar is just being right again.

Yeah basically. Like this dude's failed to even make an argument for them.
Saying "It's good to violate due process and to kill people in state custody" really is a "we're the baddies" moment.

[Northern Estrian Islands]

These policies are fascistic bullshit and more dangerous than any random street criminal could ever be. Omar is just being right again.

No, you're definitely pulling my leg. There's no way you think this unironically. People are saying that they feel safe walking around at night in some Salvadoran cities. Can't say that for the USA.

Anyways, this thread is about American politics and not Salvadoran ones. I probably got too off topic. We should probably steer back in the right direction.

[Bradfordville]

These policies are fascistic bullshit and more dangerous than any random street criminal could ever be. Omar is just being right again.

No, you're definitely pulling my leg. There's no way you think this unironically. People are saying that they feel safe walking around at night in some Salvadoran cities. Can't say that for the USA.

Oh yeah? Which people? I wonder if poor people feel safe knowing they could be snatched up at any moment and detained without trial for something they didn't do. I sure as hell wouldn't.

I'll take detroit street gangs for 5000 please. Authoritarian government is way worse.

[Corrian]

So Biden easily wins the South Carolina primary and Phillips is in 3rd.

[Northern Estrian Islands]

Oh yeah? Which people? I wonder if poor people feel safe knowing they could be snatched up at any moment and detained without trial for something they didn't do. I sure as hell wouldn't.

I'll take detroit street gangs for 5000 please. Authoritarian government is way worse.

People seem to think its rather safe.
Even more people seeming to think it's rather safe.
Residents feel much safer.
That's the last I'll speak about this.

[USS Monitor]

This is going to be unpopular and might result in a three day ban but... Good.
Going from over 100 homicides per 100k people in 2015 to around 8 homicides per 100k people in 2022 is a massive achievement and something that was sorely needed. For comparison, about 50 cities in the USA have a higher homicide rate.

I don't think we have to view this just one way or the other. We can acknowledge the good that was done, wresting control of the cities from gangs like MS-13 is objectively a good thing. The cities are safer, that cannot be denied.

At the same time, we can point out that it's being done with very little judicial oversight and without due process. It's easy to say scum like MS-13 doesn't deserve trials, but without oversight and due process, it's easy for A. Innocent people to be caught up in it, B. That process to be exploited to crack down on dissent, which interested parties have alleged is happening.

^This.

Cleaning up the streets is good, but it doesn't mean the process doesn't get messy or have flaws.

[Bradfordville]

I don't think we have to view this just one way or the other. We can acknowledge the good that was done, wresting control of the cities from gangs like MS-13 is objectively a good thing. The cities are safer, that cannot be denied.

At the same time, we can point out that it's being done with very little judicial oversight and without due process. It's easy to say scum like MS-13 doesn't deserve trials, but without oversight and due process, it's easy for A. Innocent people to be caught up in it, B. That process to be exploited to crack down on dissent, which interested parties have alleged is happening.

^This.

Cleaning up the streets is good, but it doesn't mean the process doesn't get messy or have flaws.

Has El Salvador considered cleaning up the streets with things like anti poverty programs, or is it just all about using increasingly larger sticks?

[USS Monitor]

These policies are fascistic bullshit and more dangerous than any random street criminal could ever be. Omar is just being right again.

No, you're definitely pulling my leg. There's no way you think this unironically. People are saying that they feel safe walking around at night in some Salvadoran cities. Can't say that for the USA.

"Some" Salvadoran cities? If we're just going for "some," then it's perfectly safe to walk around some American cities. When I lived in Boston, I didn't worry about walking around any time day or night.

[Tarsonis]

Criminals and gang members deserves what comes their way. Fuck around and find out, as they say. Bukele is extremely based.

Spoken both like a man who has never been poor, and like a man who has never been accused of something they didn't do.

El Salvadore is in more danger from government thugs than it is from any random gang.

... I get being wary of governments and authority, but I don't think you understand exactly how bad it had gotten in El -Salvador. MS-13 isn't/wasn't "just some random gang."

[Bradfordville]

Spoken both like a man who has never been poor, and like a man who has never been accused of something they didn't do.

El Salvadore is in more danger from government thugs than it is from any random gang.

... I get being wary of governments and authority, but I don't think you understand exactly how bad it had gotten in El -Salvador. MS-13 isn't/wasn't "just some random gang."

MS-13 is nasty shit. I still think an authoritarian government is more dangerous, and the solution will almost certainly wind up being worse than the problem.

[Northern Estrian Islands]

"Some" Salvadoran cities? If we're just going for "some," then it's perfectly safe to walk around some American cities. When I lived in Boston, I didn't worry about walking around any time day or night.

I'm just going off of people's reports about their feeling of safety in El Salvador. I can't speak for the safety of all of them. I don't go out much by myself after sunset here in DC. Learned my lesson the hard way when I nearly got mugged twice.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Tucker Carlson has taken a brave step to make the patriot resistance a global movement against globalism. Vladimir Putin loves America, he just hates the Biden regime, that's why he decided to punish the West by invading Ukraine! Re-elect President Trump, and Vladimir Putin will tell all his soldiers to leave Ukraine the exact moment President Trump's inauguration speech ends.

I’m sure Xi Jinping will do the same if we elect a Democrat in 2028.

[Bombadil]

Spoken both like a man who has never been poor, and like a man who has never been accused of something they didn't do.

El Salvadore is in more danger from government thugs than it is from any random gang.

... I get being wary of governments and authority, but I don't think you understand exactly how bad it had gotten in El -Salvador. MS-13 isn't/wasn't "just some random gang."

Yeah, they originated in Los Angeles and then through a process of deportation have spread through Central America.

A lot of problems in Central America are fuelled by America's insatiable appetite for drugs.

Started in the US, fuelled by the US and spread by the US.

[Tarsonis]

... I get being wary of governments and authority, but I don't think you understand exactly how bad it had gotten in El -Salvador. MS-13 isn't/wasn't "just some random gang."

MS-13 is nasty shit. I still think an authoritarian government is more dangerous, and the solution will almost certainly wind up being worse than the problem.

That could end up happening, but you're making it sound like as if it was the US suspending the constitution because the Hell's Angels were getting rowdy. MS-13 is an international criminal organization, and had defacto control of cities with corruption ties to local governments and police. This is more on par with going after Mexican Cartels.

NEI isn't lying here. Bukele's popularity rangers from 70's% to 90's% depending on poll, and the crack down on these gangs is a huge reason why.

[Tarsonis]

... I get being wary of governments and authority, but I don't think you understand exactly how bad it had gotten in El -Salvador. MS-13 isn't/wasn't "just some random gang."

Yeah, they originated in Los Angeles and then through a process of deportation have spread through Central America.

A lot of problems in Central America are fuelled by America's insatiable appetite for drugs.

Started in the US, fuelled by the US and spread by the US.

"And finally tonight, we'd like to congratulate Drugs, on winning the war on drugs."

[Bradfordville]

MS-13 is nasty shit. I still think an authoritarian government is more dangerous, and the solution will almost certainly wind up being worse than the problem.

That could end up happening, but you're making it sound like as if it was the US suspending the constitution because the Hell's Angels were getting rowdy. MS-13 is an international criminal organization, and had defacto control of cities with corruption ties to local governments and police. This is more on par with going after Mexican Cartels.

NEI isn't lying here. Bukele's popularity rangers from 70's% to 90's% depending on poll, and the crack down on these gangs is a huge reason why.

We'll see how long that lasts. People used to like McCarthy as well, for "fighting communists." Did you know not everyone he targeted turned out to be a communist?