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Postby Cameron M Romefeller » Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:00 pm

Volstrostia wrote:
The Hinterplace wrote:I do not like Skar, but I also do not hate him. Exceedingly few people have garnered my hatred and Skar was never and is not one of those people. I question his moral probity, I question his claim to a legacy he is tarnishing, and I question the foolish decisions he makes, that is why I have dubbed him the Pretender. I also disagree I have "raided" forum posts, as all of my posts have been on topic with the matter at hand.

I have been a Queen in my own time, I have been where Skar has been. I was a part of a region that leaned into Raiderdom after being beckoned by the Brotherhood of Malice, desiring the region to gain relevancy and interaction with the greater community. I have seen the seeds [deadname expunged] sows as they consolidate power in a puppet region. I know the path Kantrias has been set on by its masters and they will either be a puppet of the whims of the Raiderdom or will cast out from their newfound allies once they have finally had enough and stand up for themselves. I remember a better and greater Kantrias than this.

I suppose you would know plenty about being cast out from raiderdom. But let me take a break from the sniping and instead offer you some advice that I'm certain you'll ignore.

You and your newfound allies have a deeply poisonous habit of assuming everyone who refuses to cowtow to you is a "malice puppet" or is "being set on a dark path by its masters." While I appreciate the free rent that living in your head provides, you're doing yourselves a massive disservice by letting that belief paint your every interaction with any region that differs from your own views. Unlike your new allies-of-the-week, some regions, like Kantrias or BoM, are actually capable of finding common ground or being peaceable - nay, even cooperative - without being one and the same. In the same breath as you decry raiders for disregarding regional sovereignty, you then malign Kantrias's autonomy and its decision-making capacity. Perhaps if you were more receptive to regions with differing FA strategies, defenderdom might not be in the dire FA straits it now finds itself in.

Contrary to your claims, Kantrias seems to be flourishing under its new leadership (as evidenced by the fact that people, yourself included, are talking about it for the first time in however long) and doing just as well militarily - and if you disagree on that front, I'd love for you to count up how many times you were sent to the Rejected Realms trying, and failing, to liberate their latest excursion. If you believe that Kantrias as it is now is worse-off than it was under your reign, then the only explanation is that you feel Kantrias being dissolved entirely is the best possible outcome - and since, in that case, you clearly don't have Kantrian interests in mind, then why on earth should we listen to your opinions on it's health?


All I'm going to say is that these regions, like Kantrias, were specifically switcharoo'd by literal members of the Brotherhood of Malice who command their military or hold high positions in government. This isn't some regular Sunday region with a different political opinion, this is literally the case with Kantrias. The same fate nearly befell the Empire of Great Britain through the same avenues too (BoM members building up the military, getting comfy with the government, etc).

So this is literally the case this time.
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Omnicontrol
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Postby Omnicontrol » Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:12 am

Cameron M Romefeller wrote:
Volstrostia wrote:I suppose you would know plenty about being cast out from raiderdom. But let me take a break from the sniping and instead offer you some advice that I'm certain you'll ignore.

You and your newfound allies have a deeply poisonous habit of assuming everyone who refuses to cowtow to you is a "malice puppet" or is "being set on a dark path by its masters." While I appreciate the free rent that living in your head provides, you're doing yourselves a massive disservice by letting that belief paint your every interaction with any region that differs from your own views. Unlike your new allies-of-the-week, some regions, like Kantrias or BoM, are actually capable of finding common ground or being peaceable - nay, even cooperative - without being one and the same. In the same breath as you decry raiders for disregarding regional sovereignty, you then malign Kantrias's autonomy and its decision-making capacity. Perhaps if you were more receptive to regions with differing FA strategies, defenderdom might not be in the dire FA straits it now finds itself in.

Contrary to your claims, Kantrias seems to be flourishing under its new leadership (as evidenced by the fact that people, yourself included, are talking about it for the first time in however long) and doing just as well militarily - and if you disagree on that front, I'd love for you to count up how many times you were sent to the Rejected Realms trying, and failing, to liberate their latest excursion. If you believe that Kantrias as it is now is worse-off than it was under your reign, then the only explanation is that you feel Kantrias being dissolved entirely is the best possible outcome - and since, in that case, you clearly don't have Kantrian interests in mind, then why on earth should we listen to your opinions on it's health?


All I'm going to say is that these regions, like Kantrias, were specifically switcharoo'd by literal members of the Brotherhood of Malice who command their military or hold high positions in government. This isn't some regular Sunday region with a different political opinion, this is literally the case with Kantrias. The same fate nearly befell the Empire of Great Britain through the same avenues too (BoM members building up the military, getting comfy with the government, etc).

So this is literally the case this time.


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yeah that's definitely bom. one hundred percent the brotherhood of malice. arran is secretly the overseer, and all his councillors are bom taskmasters and shadowmasters in disguise. how have i been so stupid to not see behind the thin veneer. my logic has been foiled and i will join libcord tomorrow.
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Aynia
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Postby Aynia » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:24 am

As far as the adminisrative issue yeah, just gotta take your lumps with that one.

But Skar you are trying hard and I believe in you. We all screw up as we learn. <3 Like I have said before, Kantrias has a long and colourful history and a vibrant future.

Things are happening and you are doing the things!

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Postby Terra Inferiori Reliquere » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:15 pm

Kantrias and Astoria are happy to announce that we have signed the Pact of the Sword and Spear!
This non-aggression pact will be but a first step towards a lasting friendship!

Pact of the Sword and Spear



The Crowned Republic of Astoria⠀⠀⠀

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⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀The Empire of Kantrias

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Preamble

WHEREAS The Empire of Kantrias (“Kantrias”) and The Crowned Republic of Astoria (“Astoria”), hereby referred to as “the Signatories”, have dedicated themselves to the ideologies of Imperialism and Raider Unity, respectively;

WHEREAS the Signatories, having engaged in collaborative operations against shared adversaries, exemplify a relationship founded on trust, cooperation, and solidarity;

WHEREAS the Signatories recognize the invaluable contributions made by Kantrias, which generously provided significant troop support to recent Astorian operations, and reciprocally, Astoria actively supported Kantrias in the occupation of strategic regions;

NOW, THEREFORE, the Signatories agree to the following:




Section One - Non-Aggression Pact

Article I - Sovereignty
  1. Kantrias will recognize only the current government and any successor government as dictated by the Monarch as the only legitimate government of Astoria.
  2. Astoria will recognize only the current government and any successor government as dictated by the Emperor as the only legitimate government of Kantrias and Her Territories.
  3. Neither Signatory may cede sovereign control of their region to another entity.
    1. Should either Signatory merge into, cede their decision-making to, or otherwise surrender their sovereignty to a third party, it will not be considered a successor government and this document will be struck null and void.

Article II - Non-Aggression
  1. Kantrias agrees to not engage in acts of military aggression against Astoria.
  2. Astoria agrees to not engage in acts of military aggression against Kantrias
    1. Astoria agrees to not partake in military aggression against Territories held by Kantrias as established by Kantrian law.
    2. Astoria agrees to not partake in military aggression-by-proxy against Territories held by Kantrias as established by Kantrian law.
  3. The Signatories will not engage in military aggression-by-proxy against each other.
  4. The Signatories will communicate their lists of Territories to each other as to continue clear and concise communication.
  5. The Signatories will not interfere with Signatory-led military operations.

Article III - Espionage
  1. Kantrias shall not engage in espionage or conduct sabotage against Astoria.
  2. Astoria shall not engage in espionage or conduct sabotage against Kantrias.
    1. Astoria shall not engage in espionage or conduct sabotage against Territories held by Kantrias as established by Kantrian law.
    2. Astoria shall not engage in espionage or conduct sabotage by-proxy against Territories held by Kantrias as established by Kantrian law.
  3. The Signatories shall not engage in espionage or conduct sabotage by-proxy against each other.
  4. Kantrias shall provide intelligence information to Astoria if such information is pertinent to Astoria’s security or cohesion, or otherwise upon Astoria’s reasonable request.
    1. Kantrias shall endeavour to reveal as much as possible in such situations, but not more than they can under laws, terms of service or the need to protect sources.
  5. Astoria shall provide intelligence information to Kantrias if such information is pertinent to Kantrias’ security or cohesion, or otherwise upon Kantrias’ reasonable request.
    1. Astoria shall provide intelligence information to Kantrias if such information is pertinent to Territories held by Kantrias, their security or cohesion, or otherwise upon Kantrias’ reasonable request.
    2. Astoria shall endeavour to reveal as much as possible in such situations, but not more than they can under laws, terms of service or the need to protect sources.

Article IV - Auto Termination
  1. If either Signatory deviates from a Raider-aligned or Imperialist-aligned posture, this Treaty shall be struck null and void.
  2. If the signatories participate in the defence or liberation - or otherwise interferes - with military operations of either party, this Treaty shall be immediately suspended for forty-eight (48) hours, after which it is struck null and void.
    1. During this suspension period, the parties may jointly agree to exit the suspension period, in which case the treaty remains in force.

Article V - Termination
  1. Either Signatory reserves the right to exit the Treaty.
    1. Reasonable efforts to notify the other Signatory must be made by the Signatory terminating the Treaty.

Article VI - General Provisions
  1. This Treaty will come into force on the date of ratification by both Signatories as dictated by their respective legislative procedures.
  2. If the official name of either of the Signatories changes after ratification of the Treaty, this document shall be changed to reflect the new official name of the Signatory.
    1. The Signatory that changed the official name has to inform the other Signatory of this within seven (7)[/b] days of the official name changing.



Signatories

The Empire of Kantrias
Emperor Arran Drake "Skar" Quilor
Imperial Prosecutor Vleerian Zas Ravagia-Vytherov
Privy Councillor Caldemar Leutria Quilor
Overseer of the Kylian Assembly Bronyleader

The Crowned Republic of Astoria
Monarch Astoreus
Prime Minister Rosartemis
Minister of Foreign Affairs Omnicontrol
Speaker of the Crowned Assembly Sateru
Arran Drake "Skar" Quilor
Emperor of the Empire of Kantrias | Architect of the Skarian Revival
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Postby East Chimore » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:33 pm

:clap: We love to see diplomacy! Congrats to both of y'all's regions.
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Postby Rosartemis » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:49 pm

I am excited to see what the future holds for us, cheers to the Empire of Kantrias, and to a lasting friendship!
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Postby Omnicontrol » Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:33 pm

Kantrias is a friend!
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Postby Arstotskiano » Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:14 am

Astoria friendos
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Postby Stewie Gilligan Griffin The Malice » Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:42 pm

I am a new member of The Brotherhood Of Malice, and i just have to say, congrats on the pact being signed!

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Postby Terra Inferiori Reliquere » Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:31 pm

Thank you, friend!
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Postby Terra Inferiori Reliquere » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:14 pm

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Imperial Statement on MGC Sanctions




The Empire of Kantrias has been made aware of the sanctions imposed on the Empire, through its treaty with the Brotherhood of Malice; The Eleventh Year Accords - as well as its military cooperation with other Raider-aligned regions mentioned in the sanctions.

The imposition of sanctions targeting the Empire of Kantrias based on - among others - its diplomatic relations, including ‘The Eleventh Year Accords’ with the Brotherhood of Malice, constitutes a flagrant violation of Kantrias’ sovereignty. As an Imperialist power, the Empire exercises its right to engage in diplomatic relations and treaties with other regions as it deems fit, without external interference. Actions such as the imposition of sanctions will be met with due defiance.

The Empire of Kantrias, as the major and leading Imperialist power, strengthened by its allies in Raiderdom, will not let itself be affected by this frivolous and ineffectual set of sanctions. The Empire wishes to reiterate that it remains dedicated and steadfast in honouring the commitments it made to its treaty-allies and friends.

Arran Drake “Skar” Quilor
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Postby Improper Classifications » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:22 pm

You signed it twice, once to reinforce and once to strengthen. Brilliant, Your Majesty.
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Postby Terra Inferiori Reliquere » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:32 pm

Improper Classifications wrote:You signed it twice, once to reinforce and once to strengthen. Brilliant, Your Majesty.

Look, until my Imperial Citizens actually pass a resolution to give me titles, I don't really have any cool titles to show off ;p. I appreciate the compliment none-the-less.
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Postby Londoniopol » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:05 pm

Well said
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Postby The Hinterplace » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:25 pm

The Pretender strikes again with a frivolous and ineffectual statement.
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Postby Londoniopol » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:27 pm

The Hinterplace wrote:The Pretender strikes again with a frivolous and ineffectual statement.

The what?
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Postby The Ambis » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:30 pm

The Hinterplace wrote:The Pretender strikes again with a frivolous and ineffectual statement.

May I ask what you have against Arran? You always seem to pop up with this rhetoric, and it’s genuinely infuriating to me as an onlooker

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Postby Terra Inferiori Reliquere » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:39 pm

The Hinterplace wrote:The Pretender strikes again with a frivolous and ineffectual statement.

Are you done? Did you get everything out of your system?

The Ambis wrote:
The Hinterplace wrote:The Pretender strikes again with a frivolous and ineffectual statement.

May I ask what you have against Arran? You always seem to pop up with this rhetoric, and it’s genuinely infuriating to me as an onlooker

This was Josi’s most recent rant about me; https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=41115745#p41115745
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Postby Ayni » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:47 pm

The Hinterplace wrote:The Pretender strikes again with a frivolous and ineffectual statement.


From reading your previous posts, you've said you were a Queen, and you have been where Skar has been. I would like to ask why you think being a snarky antagonist is the best route, since you have been where he stands now? I also know where he stands now. I have also been in positions such as his, and I have learned hard lessons from them. The difference between you and I it seems, is one of us is trying to guide.

I'm not trying to be insulting, it's just how it is. If the part you want to play is the snarky antagonist then more power to you, and may you be more of a bother that pushes him to do better instead of one that drags him down.
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Postby The Hinterplace » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:56 pm

Ayni wrote:The difference between you and I it seems, is one of us is trying to guide.

I hope he listens more to you than he ever did to me.
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Postby Quebecshire » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:59 pm

The Ambis wrote:
The Hinterplace wrote:The Pretender strikes again with a frivolous and ineffectual statement.

May I ask what you have against Arran? You always seem to pop up with this rhetoric, and it’s genuinely infuriating to me as an onlooker


I would certainly agree that it's cringey when repeated without much substance or a more developed line of attack, but if person X sniping at person Y is enough to make you, person Z, "genuinely infuriated", then you should raise your bar for reaching that point. For your own sake, really.
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Postby The Ambis » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:04 pm

Quebecshire wrote:then you should raise your bar for reaching that point. For your own sake, really

Apologies. Didn’t realize empathy was out of style

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Postby The Hinterplace » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:11 pm

The Ambis wrote:Apologies. Didn’t realize empathy was out of style

I don't lack empathy, quite the opposite, but Skar has long since exhausted mine. I'd be happy to say why, but the last time I did, I got banned for a day the first and only time on the NS forums.
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Postby Quebecshire » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:14 pm

The Ambis wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:then you should raise your bar for reaching that point. For your own sake, really

Apologies. Didn’t realize empathy was out of style

What does low effort gameplay sniping have to do with empathy more than any other aspect of gameplay? If calling someone "the Pretender" ad nauseam is so upsetting to you then I'm surprised you're gleefully a member of organizations that undermine and destroy communities for kicks.
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Postby The Ambis » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:26 pm

The Hinterplace wrote:
The Ambis wrote:Apologies. Didn’t realize empathy was out of style

I don't lack empathy, quite the opposite, but Skar has long since exhausted mine. I'd be happy to say why, but the last time I did, I got banned for a day the first and only time on the NS forums.

I was not reffering to you, don't worry. I was refering to myself.
Quebecshire wrote:What does low effort gameplay sniping have to do with empathy more than any other aspect of gameplay? If calling someone "the Pretender" ad nauseam is so upsetting to you then I'm surprised you're gleefully a member of organizations that undermine and destroy communities for kicks.

I was saying that I felt empathetic for Skar. It's not fun having ad hominem attacks thrown at you. Apologies if that came across unclear.

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