Has Progressivism gone too far?

[Bovad]

If B want a divorce from both A and C? Then B gets a divorce from both.


So what?


There can be many different ways to go. For example, you could say that there would be no collective ownership. What A, B and C brings into the relationship, A, B and C brings with them when they go.

Or you could define the throuple as a union, which holds collective ownership. That could mean that the union holds as long as there remains members in it.

I mean, look at the complexity of multinational corporations. There's still mergers and divisions happening. When that's possible to deal with, a throuple isn't going to be advanced magic.


Which could also be solved.


Is it illegal to cheat?


What of it?


Simple? Not necessarily.

Solvable? Yes.

I’ve already said my verdict on polygamy. I morally disagree with it but It ain’t hurting anybody so I don’t care.

Why?

[Kalaron]

Because the moderate progressives then, as in all the times I mentioned, were ultimately what you and I would call "Not great guys". They had the exact same idea as you, that those whacky progressives were about to steer the country off a cliff, what with their acceptance of "abolition, mixing the races, integrating the schools, giving women the right to vote, or letting the gays marry"

I'm just saying dude, if all the moderate progressives of the past did was allow harm to happen, what's the odds that you're allowing harm to happen?

Except that’s a false comparison because slavery and discrimination aren’t legal in the US…

Buddy a progressive from the 1800s would be considered a right winger today.

The fact that you are passed of by my stance of being a moderate progressive simply further proves my point of entrenchment of how everyone is giving in to the “with us or against us” mentality.

Slavery was legal at one time. The Progressives of the day said it shouldn't be, that black people ought to be immediately freed. The Conservatives of the day said black people shouldn't be freed. The "Moderates" of the day either wanted to free black people over a long period, or merely to "contain it" in the South.
Discrimination was legal at one time. The Progressives of the day said it shouldn't be, that people ought to have strong civil protections that would keep black people from getting, say, Red-Lined. The Conservatives said we shouldn't. The Moderates offered watered down measures that never actually protected people the way they should.

And yeah, but in his time, he was a progressive. We're arguing about the impact of the group "Moderates", not whether any person from that group would be a moderate today.

[Urine Town]

Except that’s a false comparison because slavery and discrimination aren’t legal in the US…

Buddy a progressive from the 1800s would be considered a right winger today.

The fact that you are passed of by my stance of being a moderate progressive simply further proves my point of entrenchment of how everyone is giving in to the “with us or against us” mentality.

Slavery was legal at one time. The Progressives of the day said it shouldn't be, that black people ought to be immediately freed. The Conservatives of the day said black people shouldn't be freed. The "Moderates" of the day either wanted to free black people over a long period, or merely to "contain it" in the South.
Discrimination was legal at one time. The Progressives of the day said it shouldn't be, that people ought to have strong civil protections that would keep black people from getting, say, Red-Lined. The Conservatives said we shouldn't. The Moderates offered watered down measures that never actually protected people the way they should.

And yeah, but in his time, he was a progressive. We're arguing about the impact of the group "Moderates", not whether any person from that group would be a moderate today.

Ever since World War II, the Democrats and Republicans have forever switched parties. The last truly progressive Republicans were Theodore Roosevelt and Taft. Since then, the conservative southern Democrats switched parties to Republican back in the 1960s and 1970s after segregation was no longer widely supported outside of the Deep South. Conservapedia even defended Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond because he switched to Republican in 1964 to work with Barry Goldwater

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

I’ve already said my verdict on polygamy. I morally disagree with it but It ain’t hurting anybody so I don’t care.

Why?

Idk it just doesn’t feel right to me. But that’s just me so if you want to be married to multiple people go ahead.

[Cannot think of a name]

...How do you explain power dynamics in culture to someone who doesn’t have empathy and has only ever known what it is to be on top?

Genuinely, when or if you find out, tell me. It might make the conversations with Pale go easier if I can crack the "But I feel nothing for their suffering" layer of the debate

I use to try and use left-handedness to explain it as a sort of seemingly low stakes example.

Everyone knows like the same three or four pieces of trivia about left handedness. The two they just loooooooove to tell us is that we used to be beaten or killed and were considered 'sinister'. We see that gleam in your eye when you say that shit. After that it's can openers and scissors. They know we struggle to use can openers and in school we got the special scissors that were rounded on the top because they knew if we figured out how the world was built we'd get stabby.

Because if you're right handed you think it's just can openers, scissors, and smearing your hand over your writing.

What you don't realize if you're right handed is the extent to which the world is designed for you. You don't have to actively remind yourself not to pour yourself a glass of hot water because the hot water side is on the left. You don't realize how many tools are designed for right handed people because you're right handed so everything just works. You've never had to sit there for a moment trying to figure out how to use a tool without your dominate hand. You get a lot of left handers considering themselves ambidextrious because so much of our lives are spent adapting to shit that just doesn't work for us.

And then there's knives. Fucking knives are designed for right handed people. Instead of a middle point sharpness, they're off to one side to compensate for a right hand wrist, but with a left hand wrist the twist is exaggerated. I've been left handed my entire life (because by and large that's how handedness works) and I didn't know that bullshit until I was in my 40s. Instead what happened is all my cheese and butter and whatnot eventually had a slope cut into them. Not knowing that the knives I was using were specifically designed to work against me, I just assumed I sucked at cutting things, that I was defective because when you buy a knife it doesn't tell you, not usually. Since knowing this I've looked at knife packaging and there's rarely a mention of it.

You wouldn't know it even if you were left handed.

And that's how systemic things work. For the dominant party it's just the water they're swimming in. If someone is having difficulty and you're not, you don't assume the water isn't working for them, you assume they just suck at swimming. (water is not left or right handed except the faucet, water in this case is 'your environment').

And the thing is, it takes nothing...literally nothing...to just design most products for both hands, but they don't. And sure, things like faucets you kinda have to pick one or the other and a standard is better than having to label it all, but then you have to account for the fact that some people are going to be disadvantaged because of that.

If you have empathy you can understand that and maybe, now knowing, start to see the various ways that the world is designed for right handed people. If you lack empathy you could hear all of that and go, "lol, whatever. Most people are right handed deal with it loser. At least we don't beat you anymore. Take the W."

And the sad, sad reality is that this has never worked. Because it's not just not understanding, it's not giving a shit and I just have no idea how to break through that.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Genuinely, when or if you find out, tell me. It might make the conversations with Pale go easier if I can crack the "But I feel nothing for their suffering" layer of the debate

I use to try and use left-handedness to explain it as a sort of seemingly low stakes example.

Everyone knows like the same three or four pieces of trivia about left handedness. The two they just loooooooove to tell us is that we used to be beaten or killed and were considered 'sinister'. We see that gleam in your eye when you say that shit. After that it's can openers and scissors. They know we struggle to use can openers and in school we got the special scissors that were rounded on the top because they knew if we figured out how the world was built we'd get stabby.

Because if you're right handed you think it's just can openers, scissors, and smearing your hand over your writing.

What you don't realize if you're right handed is the extent to which the world is designed for you. You don't have to actively remind yourself not to pour yourself a glass of hot water because the hot water side is on the left. You don't realize how many tools are designed for right handed people because you're right handed so everything just works. You've never had to sit there for a moment trying to figure out how to use a tool without your dominate hand. You get a lot of left handers considering themselves ambidextrious because so much of our lives are spent adapting to shit that just doesn't work for us.

And then there's knives. Fucking knives are designed for right handed people. Instead of a middle point sharpness, they're off to one side to compensate for a right hand wrist, but with a left hand wrist the twist is exaggerated. I've been left handed my entire life (because by and large that's how handedness works) and I didn't know that bullshit until I was in my 40s. Instead what happened is all my cheese and butter and whatnot eventually had a slope cut into them. Not knowing that the knives I was using were specifically designed to work against me, I just assumed I sucked at cutting things, that I was defective because when you buy a knife it doesn't tell you, not usually. Since knowing this I've looked at knife packaging and there's rarely a mention of it.

You wouldn't know it even if you were left handed.

And that's how systemic things work. For the dominant party it's just the water they're swimming in. If someone is having difficulty and you're not, you don't assume the water isn't working for them, you assume they just suck at swimming. (water is not left or right handed except the faucet, water in this case is 'your environment').

And the thing is, it takes nothing...literally nothing...to just design most products for both hands, but they don't. And sure, things like faucets you kinda have to pick one or the other and a standard is better than having to label it all, but then you have to account for the fact that some people are going to be disadvantaged because of that.

If you have empathy you can understand that and maybe, now knowing, start to see the various ways that the world is designed for right handed people. If you lack empathy you could hear all of that and go, "lol, whatever. Most people are right handed deal with it loser. At least we don't beat you anymore. Take the W."

And the sad, sad reality is that this has never worked. Because it's not just not understanding, it's not giving a shit and I just have no idea how to break through that.

Based. As a leftie is pisses me off when cringe right hangers notice me writing and have the audacity to say “WoW I dIdNt kNoW yOu wErE lEfT hAnDeD!!” Like stfu.

Fun fact: left handed people have an advantage in melee combat with swords and shit cus lefties are a minority so righties usually only train to engage other righties. My conspiracy theory is that lefties were hated in the Middle Ages because the righties know that if you had an army of lefties with swords we would be unstoppable.

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

As someone who is also left-handed, I'm glad I never had my hand tied behind my chair or had my hands whipped by a ruler. I heard that used to happen all of the time.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

As someone who is also left-handed, I'm glad I never had my hand tied behind my chair or had my hands whipped by a ruler. I heard that used to happen all of the time.

It sucks to even write. I have bad handwriting, but it’s made worse because when I have to write an essay for classes it gets smudged, and then I have the stupid accursed mark on your hand.

[Cannot think of a name]

As someone who is also left-handed, I'm glad I never had my hand tied behind my chair or had my hands whipped by a ruler. I heard that used to happen all of the time.

Can't you detect that hint of glee when right handed people tell you that?

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

As someone who is also left-handed, I'm glad I never had my hand tied behind my chair or had my hands whipped by a ruler. I heard that used to happen all of the time.

Can't you detect that hint of glee when right handed people tell you that?

I don't think I was told that. I found out by reading American history and how we used to be forced into asylums.

Though I experienced difficulty writing notes in a college auditorium multiple times, due to all the small desks attached to the chairs being exclusively for right-handed use. Me and several other lefties asked for accommodations (such as a few normal desks) and we were not taken seriously.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Can't you detect that hint of glee when right handed people tell you that?

I don't think I was told that. I found out by reading American history and how we used to be forced into asylums.

Though I experienced difficulty writing notes in a college auditorium multiple times, due to all the small desks attached to the chairs being exclusively for right-handed use. Me and several other lefties asked for accommodations (such as a few normal desks) and we were not taken seriously.

Hell we can’t even start a leftie revolution. All the automatic weapons are designed for righties, so we just get hit in the face with hot shells, unless it’s a bullpup rifle cus some bull pups have a switch that can change which side the shells get ejected from.

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

As someone who is also left-handed, I'm glad I never had my hand tied behind my chair or had my hands whipped by a ruler. I heard that used to happen all of the time.

It sucks to even write. I have bad handwriting, but it’s made worse because when I have to write an essay for classes it gets smudged, and then I have the stupid accursed mark on your hand.

I'm sure my handwriting manages to be even worse than yours. I have the worst handwriting.

[Cannot think of a name]

Can't you detect that hint of glee when right handed people tell you that?

I don't think I was told that. I found out by reading American history and how we used to be forced into asylums.

Though I experienced difficulty writing notes in a college auditorium multiple times, due to all the small desks attached to the chairs being exclusively for right-handed use. Me and several other lefties asked for accommodations (such as a few normal desks) and we were not taken seriously.

Oh man, the joy of finding a left handed desks.

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

I don't think I was told that. I found out by reading American history and how we used to be forced into asylums.

Though I experienced difficulty writing notes in a college auditorium multiple times, due to all the small desks attached to the chairs being exclusively for right-handed use. Me and several other lefties asked for accommodations (such as a few normal desks) and we were not taken seriously.

Oh man, the joy of finding a left handed desks.

I was surprised that in the late 2010s to now, we'd still have a problem with college faculty deciding to build new buildings that have built in chairs, with exclusive right-handed desks. Because I only had class in such buildings a few years back, and they were brand new buildings then.

I incorrectly thought such a desk design was reduced to the history books too, tbh.

[Cannot think of a name]

It sucks to even write. I have bad handwriting, but it’s made worse because when I have to write an essay for classes it gets smudged, and then I have the stupid accursed mark on your hand.

I'm sure my handwriting manages to be even worse than yours. I have the worst handwriting.

My handwriting sucks but I don't have the weird grip because I can't follow directions.

The weird left handed hook grip comes from when they teach you how to write they tell you to turn the paper to the right towards right handed people's dominant hand. Those left handed instruction followers did that and then had to twist their wrists to write when the paper is turned away from them.

But I didn't follow instructions it turns out because of at the time undiagnosed ADHD (or diagnosed and they didn't tell me) so I just turned the paper towards my left hand and got a normal grip.

I think that's better now, I don't see that hook grip as much anymore.

[Cannot think of a name]

Oh man, the joy of finding a left handed desks.

I was surprised that in the late 2010s to now, we'd still have a problem with college faculty deciding to build new buildings that have built in chairs, with exclusive right-handed desks. Because I only had class in such buildings a few years back, and they were brand new buildings then.

I incorrectly thought such a desk design was reduced to the history books too, tbh.

I don't miss having that near permanent dent in my forearm from having to use right hand desks.

[Tmutarakhan]

I use to try and use left-handedness to explain it as a sort of seemingly low stakes example.

Everyone knows like the same three or four pieces of trivia about left handedness. The two they just loooooooove to tell us is that we used to be beaten or killed and were considered 'sinister'. We see that gleam in your eye when you say that shit. After that it's can openers and scissors. They know we struggle to use can openers and in school we got the special scissors that were rounded on the top because they knew if we figured out how the world was built we'd get stabby.

Because if you're right handed you think it's just can openers, scissors, and smearing your hand over your writing.

What you don't realize if you're right handed is the extent to which the world is designed for you. You don't have to actively remind yourself not to pour yourself a glass of hot water because the hot water side is on the left. You don't realize how many tools are designed for right handed people because you're right handed so everything just works. You've never had to sit there for a moment trying to figure out how to use a tool without your dominate hand. You get a lot of left handers considering themselves ambidextrious because so much of our lives are spent adapting to shit that just doesn't work for us.

And then there's knives. Fucking knives are designed for right handed people. Instead of a middle point sharpness, they're off to one side to compensate for a right hand wrist, but with a left hand wrist the twist is exaggerated. I've been left handed my entire life (because by and large that's how handedness works) and I didn't know that bullshit until I was in my 40s. Instead what happened is all my cheese and butter and whatnot eventually had a slope cut into them. Not knowing that the knives I was using were specifically designed to work against me, I just assumed I sucked at cutting things, that I was defective because when you buy a knife it doesn't tell you, not usually. Since knowing this I've looked at knife packaging and there's rarely a mention of it.

You wouldn't know it even if you were left handed.

And that's how systemic things work. For the dominant party it's just the water they're swimming in. If someone is having difficulty and you're not, you don't assume the water isn't working for them, you assume they just suck at swimming. (water is not left or right handed except the faucet, water in this case is 'your environment').

And the thing is, it takes nothing...literally nothing...to just design most products for both hands, but they don't. And sure, things like faucets you kinda have to pick one or the other and a standard is better than having to label it all, but then you have to account for the fact that some people are going to be disadvantaged because of that.

If you have empathy you can understand that and maybe, now knowing, start to see the various ways that the world is designed for right handed people. If you lack empathy you could hear all of that and go, "lol, whatever. Most people are right handed deal with it loser. At least we don't beat you anymore. Take the W."

And the sad, sad reality is that this has never worked. Because it's not just not understanding, it's not giving a shit and I just have no idea how to break through that.

Based. As a leftie is pisses me off when cringe right hangers notice me writing and have the audacity to say “WoW I dIdNt kNoW yOu wErE lEfT hAnDeD!!” Like stfu.

Fun fact: left handed people have an advantage in melee combat with swords and shit cus lefties are a minority so righties usually only train to engage other righties. My conspiracy theory is that lefties were hated in the Middle Ages because the righties know that if you had an army of lefties with swords we would be unstoppable.

I am not left handed

[Neutraligon]

I use to try and use left-handedness to explain it as a sort of seemingly low stakes example.

Everyone knows like the same three or four pieces of trivia about left handedness. The two they just loooooooove to tell us is that we used to be beaten or killed and were considered 'sinister'. We see that gleam in your eye when you say that shit. After that it's can openers and scissors. They know we struggle to use can openers and in school we got the special scissors that were rounded on the top because they knew if we figured out how the world was built we'd get stabby.

Because if you're right handed you think it's just can openers, scissors, and smearing your hand over your writing.

What you don't realize if you're right handed is the extent to which the world is designed for you. You don't have to actively remind yourself not to pour yourself a glass of hot water because the hot water side is on the left. You don't realize how many tools are designed for right handed people because you're right handed so everything just works. You've never had to sit there for a moment trying to figure out how to use a tool without your dominate hand. You get a lot of left handers considering themselves ambidextrious because so much of our lives are spent adapting to shit that just doesn't work for us.

And then there's knives. Fucking knives are designed for right handed people. Instead of a middle point sharpness, they're off to one side to compensate for a right hand wrist, but with a left hand wrist the twist is exaggerated. I've been left handed my entire life (because by and large that's how handedness works) and I didn't know that bullshit until I was in my 40s. Instead what happened is all my cheese and butter and whatnot eventually had a slope cut into them. Not knowing that the knives I was using were specifically designed to work against me, I just assumed I sucked at cutting things, that I was defective because when you buy a knife it doesn't tell you, not usually. Since knowing this I've looked at knife packaging and there's rarely a mention of it.

You wouldn't know it even if you were left handed.

And that's how systemic things work. For the dominant party it's just the water they're swimming in. If someone is having difficulty and you're not, you don't assume the water isn't working for them, you assume they just suck at swimming. (water is not left or right handed except the faucet, water in this case is 'your environment').

And the thing is, it takes nothing...literally nothing...to just design most products for both hands, but they don't. And sure, things like faucets you kinda have to pick one or the other and a standard is better than having to label it all, but then you have to account for the fact that some people are going to be disadvantaged because of that.

If you have empathy you can understand that and maybe, now knowing, start to see the various ways that the world is designed for right handed people. If you lack empathy you could hear all of that and go, "lol, whatever. Most people are right handed deal with it loser. At least we don't beat you anymore. Take the W."

And the sad, sad reality is that this has never worked. Because it's not just not understanding, it's not giving a shit and I just have no idea how to break through that.

Based. As a leftie is pisses me off when cringe right hangers notice me writing and have the audacity to say “WoW I dIdNt kNoW yOu wErE lEfT hAnDeD!!” Like stfu.

Fun fact: left handed people have an advantage in melee combat with swords and shit cus lefties are a minority so righties usually only train to engage other righties. My conspiracy theory is that lefties were hated in the Middle Ages because the righties know that if you had an army of lefties with swords we would be unstoppable.

Mom was the only leftie in a family of righties. We first got a computer for dad, mom never used it. When she started we had to figure out how to get a mouse that worked for her, and space for it on the left. That was until she adjusted to using it on the right since everywhere else it was on the right. We always adjusted for her to make sure when we sat at a table no one was to her left in a booth. So many things people donot realize need adjustment.

[Cannot think of a name]

Based. As a leftie is pisses me off when cringe right hangers notice me writing and have the audacity to say “WoW I dIdNt kNoW yOu wErE lEfT hAnDeD!!” Like stfu.

Fun fact: left handed people have an advantage in melee combat with swords and shit cus lefties are a minority so righties usually only train to engage other righties. My conspiracy theory is that lefties were hated in the Middle Ages because the righties know that if you had an army of lefties with swords we would be unstoppable.

Mom was the only leftie in a family of righties. We first got a computer for dad, mom never used it. When she started we had to figure out how to get a mouse that worked for her, and space for it on the left. That was until she adjusted to using it on the right since everywhere else it was on the right. We always adjusted for her to make sure when we sat at a table no one was to her left in a booth. So many things people donot realize need adjustment.

Ugh, having to explain why I need to sit on the left outside so I don't look like Sheldon is...not a great time.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Is consensual cannibalism a progressive policy? Cus if it is then if that ever becomes acceptable THEN it would be appropriate to say “It went too far”

[Edgy Teens]

Racism, homophobia, and transphobia are still prevalent and thriving in the American right-wing, so no, progressivism has not gone too far.

[Bradfordville]

Racism, homophobia, and transphobia are still prevalent and thriving in the American right-wing, so no, progressivism has not gone too far.

What's infuriating is the gaslighting that exists in the American right wing. People want to vote for racism, homophobia and transphobia, but they deny the first part despite the guy they voted for clearly stirring bigotry.

[Kalaron]

Racism, homophobia, and transphobia are still prevalent and thriving in the American right-wing, so no, progressivism has not gone too far.

What's infuriating is the gaslighting that exists in the American right wing. People want to vote for racism, homophobia and transphobia, but they deny the first part despite the guy they voted for clearly stirring bigotry.

Wait you mean voting for the guy that says "All Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists and it should be OK to hit them on the road" might demonstrate that someone has a bad opinion of brown people? Somehow, I'm just shocked. Truth be told the most fun I've had on the topic was getting Valle to admit that the Republicans are the party of fascists.

[Port Carverton]

Can we all agree that the US needs, like 9 parties?

[Jolthig]

Can we all agree that the US needs, like 9 parties?

Yes.

Although that might require a parliamentary system.