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Postby Libertia-Columbia » Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:37 pm

Rhaza wrote:PRAF "involvement" never ceased. PRAF actively piling the region did, but that was not because it was not a TCB-backed possession. By Mlakhavia's own admission, there were two principle reasons,

  1. To allow the PRAF to more consistently engage in its external agenda, i.e. invasions.
  2. To maintain optics that the region was not exclusively or near-exclusively backed by TCB.


Emphasis (bolded + italic) mine. That is a fascinating and definitely uncharitable way to interpret Mlakhavia's statement.

Your statement makes it seem as if TCB/PRAF were actually secretly pulling the strings of the whole Solidarity project, but pulled out to deceive the rest of NS into believing that it was other NSLeft regions who were primarily running the project. You don't explicitly say this, but your word choice here does strongly imply it - at least, that's what it seems to me.

Of course, any NSLeft resident, especially those who were there when the Solidarity project was first being drafted and designed, would tell you that's a load of bull. I should know, as I was there (since I'm a resident of a couple NSLeft regions). Solidarity was fundamentally a collective project, with input from all NSLeft regions, and especially substantial input from NSLeft regions not named "the Communist Bloc." Solidarity's former delegate - the one you and your "defender" coalition forces want to kick out? They're a long-standing resident of TLA, and one of the primary contributors to the Solidarity project. Your attempt to spin a narrative about a frontier run by an alliance of regions that you frankly don't understand is not going to convince any NSLeft resident of the righteousness of the modern defender establishment.

And I do want to emphasize this - you do not understand NSLeft. You were not there when we drafted up the plans for Solidarity; you were not there through all the discussions that would shape how Solidarity would start and how it would grow. Your only information on how Solidarity was founded and how it was run was external statements from NSLeft residents, all of which you interpreted in the context of your defender-aligned anti-TCB biases. Facts about the Solidarity project become lies and deceptions; independent NSLeft regions with their own cultures and their own populations become puppets and/or criminal accomplices of TCB. TCB is portrayed as a the powerful evil region that forged the foundation of Solidarity in its evil lair and laughed maniacally as it was built while somehow managing to deceive every single other NSLeft region into supporting it.

Remember, kids, if you come to school and realize that you forgot your homework, you can always tell your professor that PRAF raided your backpack.

And that's why your repeated assertion that the raid of Solidarity is meant to be an attack solely on TCB/PRAF rather than NSLeft as a whole fell completely flat. Like, what did you expect? Did you think that NSLeft regions and residents would look at the attack on Solidarity and think to themselves "damn that sucks but hey it's only an attack on TCB and definitely not a wider attack on NSLeft." No, of course not. When the average NSLeft resident found that the frontier jointly run by all NSLeft regions was raided, the first thought of many of them was "NSLeft is being attacked." Your arguments to the contrary are fundamentally not convincing because they're based on the false premise that Solidarity was primarily a project of TCB, merely a "TCB colony" that other NSLeft regions did not have to worry about as, according to your bullshit arguments, they supposedly did not contribute that much to it. To the NSLeft alliance, and especially NSLeftists not in TCB who contributed significantly to Solidarity, the arguments coming from you and other defenders sound absolutely ridiculous and out-of-touch with reality. Because they are. And even putting all that aside, your claim that the raid is meant to target PRAF was undermined by the fact that your raid on Solidarity brought more people into the Solidarity Squadron than Solidarity ever could have, and NSLeft is both much more united, and has a far more negative opinion of the defender establishment, than before.

Of course, convincing NSLeft regions of that lie is not what you or other defender leaders are trying to do, given your repeated mean-spirited potshots at NSLeft regions such as TLA and SLU. You're agendaposting, so you can disregard the facts. You're producing crappy arguments that rank-and-file defenders can throw at those skeptical of contemporary defenderdom and can use to feel good about themselves piling in Solidarity.

Rhaza wrote:I suspect the decision to cease active piling between other operations was highly dependent on the false notion that the region was protected by PPO, or fairy dust, or whatever else led PRAF leadership to conclude that we didn't have the guts to knock the door down.


We were under the presumption that defenderdom wouldn't attack Solidarity because Solidarity is jointly run by of all of NSLeft, not just TCB. Whatever gripes defenderdom had with TCB/PRAF, we thought, surely defenderdom would not collectively punish the rest of NSLeft, right? Surely defenderdom would not attack all of NSLeft as a group for the alleged sins of the only member region remotely engaged with NSGP, right?

...right?
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Postby Halsoni » Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:03 am

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Postby Aenglaland » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:02 am

Genderdruid wrote:Hell, even if it were totally unjustified, a delbump of TNP and torpedoing some right-wing regions is not a valid excuse to annihilate a completely separate region just because it doesn't choose to cut some hand-wavy ties with TCB.

It does sound like a pretty valid excuse to me though, mainly because it wasn't a "completely separate region". I don't know why some people keep stating otherwise, but I guess it's in their best interests to keep spinning a tale.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:47 am

Genderdruid wrote:Even if TCB's military action was "unjustified", which I have yet to see a convincing argument that it is (unless you'd like to argue that, for example, TNP's delegate arguing for an injunction with the express purpose of advocating for the destruction of TCB is not undue aggression), that still does not justify an invasion of NSLeft's frontier. Hell, even if it were totally unjustified, a delbump of TNP and torpedoing some right-wing regions is not a valid excuse to annihilate a completely separate region just because it doesn't choose to cut some hand-wavy ties with TCB. The invasion of Solidarity is in no way a proportional response to anything TCB has done, or even what you accuse it of doing, and you know it - because the invasion of Solidarity was never about a "proportional response." Your doctors are welcome to keep spinning, but deep down, you know you can't look me in the eye and say the invasion of Solidarity is justifiable.

TCB sowing the wind: "Haha TNP is a declining region! Look how weak and disorganized they are!"

TCB reaping the whirlwind: "Nooooooo you can't just take away our colony! We are totally justified in our brazen del-tip of TNP!!! Defender extremists are out to get us innocent lefties!!!"

Maybe just... don't invade and piss off the biggest feeder of NS next time, so that a coalition of defenders won't swoop in and kick you out of your colony?
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Postby Rhaza » Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:31 am

Genderdruid wrote:Even if TCB's military action was "unjustified", which I have yet to see a convincing argument that it is (unless you'd like to argue that, for example, TNP's delegate arguing for an injunction with the express purpose of advocating for the destruction of TCB is not undue aggression), that still does not justify an invasion of NSLeft's frontier.


Obviously there's no convincing you, but for the readers...

Then-Acting Delegate Gorundu's infamous post about keeping TCB "raidable" was on April 19th, 2023.

On April 24th, Minister of Foreign Affairs & Defense Cretanja of TCB reached out to Gorundu (the day after trying to raid a TNP ally) to attempt to exploit the TNP WA extortion scanal to TCB's ends, or as Mlakhavia put it, to "recognise the legitimacy of Delegate Gorundu" and form "a more cordial diplomatic relationship with TNP".

So... this begs two questions from me, really, since I keep hearing people whining about Gorundu's post and using that as a casus belli.

  1. If Gorundu's post was an act of hostility and war, why did TCB even bother reaching out to him on April 24th, 5 days after he made this oh-so unforgiveable remark? Gorundu tells me you didn't even bring it up when reaching out to TNP, so clearly it wasn't a big deal at the time.
  2. Considering Gorundu went on to vacate/be removed from office prematurely, did TCB ever seek clarification on if his stance was that of the new government under Chipoli?

We both know that in actuality, TCB was miffed that TNP didn't want to be their new best friends after they spent over a year antagonizing everyone they could and swearing fealty to BoM, so they retroactively came up with a reason to del-tip them, and then begged for the current situation in Solidarity to happen.

Genderdruid wrote:Hell, even if it were totally unjustified, a delbump of TNP and torpedoing some right-wing regions is not a valid excuse to annihilate a completely separate region just because it doesn't choose to cut some hand-wavy ties with TCB.


"TCB was justified, but even if they weren't, you guys still shouldn't have penalized them" - be careful, you might trip over yourself here. Pretty textbook apologia being aggressive, then pivoting to playing the victim.

Genderdruid wrote:but deep down, you know you can't look me in the eye and say the invasion of Solidarity is justifiable.


The invasion of Solidarity is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would I do that if I didn't believe I was doing something justified?

Libertia-Columbia wrote:We were under the presumption that defenderdom wouldn't attack Solidarity because Solidarity is jointly run by of all of NSLeft, not just TCB. Whatever gripes defenderdom had with TCB/PRAF, we thought, surely defenderdom would not collectively punish the rest of NSLeft, right? Surely defenderdom would not attack all of NSLeft as a group for the alleged sins of the only member region remotely engaged with NSGP, right?

...right?


Well that's kind of silly. It's also not true. TCB et al constantly talk about how defenders are so mean to you, why would you think this was off the table?

PRAF never thought that going for Solidarity would be below the belt to us, what you all, or at least your Air Marshal thought was that you were protected by PPO.

Don't take it from me, though!

[12:52 PM]Mlakhavia: But regardless, TNP cannot legally invade Solidarity under PPO
[12:53 PM]Mlakhavia: Because Solidarity is a joint territory of NSLeft, which includes TLA, which in turn has a treaty with TWP
[12:53 PM]Mlakhavia: Which places Solidarity under PPO protection, technically


Fascinating how there's also no mention of TLA "spearheading" anything at this point (Sept 26), rather that it's just a "joint territory of NSLeft", and TLA is only mentioned due to the TWP connection.

Almost like that narrative is a fiction invented after the invasion began.
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Postby Rhaza » Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:59 am

Libertia-Columbia wrote:And I do want to emphasize this - you do not understand NSLeft. You were not there when we drafted up the plans for Solidarity; you were not there through all the discussions that would shape how Solidarity would start and how it would grow. Your only information on how Solidarity was founded and how it was run was external statements from NSLeft residents, all of which you interpreted in the context of your defender-aligned anti-TCB biases. Facts about the Solidarity project become lies and deceptions; independent NSLeft regions with their own cultures and their own populations become puppets and/or criminal accomplices of TCB. TCB is portrayed as a the powerful evil region that forged the foundation of Solidarity in its evil lair and laughed maniacally as it was built while somehow managing to deceive every single other NSLeft region into supporting it.


Maybe I do, maybe I don't... Anyway,

Here's Zulanka, a longtime NSLeft member, someone who has been on most of the attempted sieges, on the subject,

Zulanka — 08/16/2023 11:17 PM
so take us in nsleft with solidarity, the initial approach was explicitly not to form a community, to treat it like a foyer. and in that regard we indeed haven't created an independent community there. would it be a "wasteland" open to attack by community?
there's other potential experimental approaches to frontiers that i feel this could be threatened by


A "foyer", eh? Formed "explicitly not to form a community" of its own?

Wascoitan — 08/16/2023 11:21 PM
I mean, no offense to yall that put work into solidarity but like, just from what I saw I feel like that's at least arguably a fair description of solidarity? I mean it's kind of hard to argue that a frontier that had an explicit policy of not forming a community doesn't fit in with the (admittedly vague) definition of wasteland that was given in the statement


A wasteland, even!?

Mlakhavia — 07/28/2023 2:47 PM
I think places like Community, Carcassonne, and Solidarity are fine.

Mlakhavia — 07/28/2023 2:50 PM
Concord Delenda Est is all I can say man


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Mlakhavia — 06/25/2023 1:55 AM
Fuck knows
You see, we kind of have an issue you see
Solidarity is designed to be a siphon of new founds to NSLeft
the issue is that by that nature Solidarity has no local community
which means it constantly has to be propped up by NSLeft members


Wow! It's designed to siphon founds to NSLeft? Perhaps... regions like The Communist Bloc? Oh, it needs to be "propped up" by NSLeft members? Remind me which single NSLeft region carried out that task?
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Postby Omnicontrol » Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:17 pm

Rhaza wrote:The invasion of Solidarity is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would I do that if I didn't believe I was doing something justified?


The delbump of TNP is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would they do that if they didn't believe they were doing something justified?
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Postby The Seven levels of Heaven » Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:36 pm

Omnicontrol wrote:
Rhaza wrote:The invasion of Solidarity is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would I do that if I didn't believe I was doing something justified?


The delbump of TNP is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would they do that if they didn't believe they were doing something justified?


Not gonna lie, this is a weird thing to try to pull an uno reverse card on. As much as I try to be in the neutral field when it comes to R/D, you can't really claim a del bump as justified unless the justification is just causing a bit of chaos, which I can always appreciate in the right dosage.
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Postby Madjack » Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:38 pm

Omnicontrol wrote:
Rhaza wrote:The invasion of Solidarity is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would I do that if I didn't believe I was doing something justified?


The delbump of TNP is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would they do that if they didn't believe they were doing something justified?

The delbump of TNP is being responded to.

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Postby Osmauri » Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:35 pm

Omnicontrol wrote:
Rhaza wrote:The invasion of Solidarity is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would I do that if I didn't believe I was doing something justified?


The delbump of TNP is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would they do that if they didn't believe they were doing something justified?

Just because you have a justification for doing something doesn't mean that the justification is adequate for the action committed.

Strange thing to reverse. A delbump and an invasion of a dependency during war aren't the same thing.
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Postby Warzone Arstotskiano » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:01 pm

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The delbump of TNP is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would they do that if they didn't believe they were doing something justified?

Just because you have a justification for doing something doesn't mean that the justification is adequate for the action committed.

Strange thing to reverse. A delbump and an invasion of a dependency during war aren't the same thing.

The invasion started before the war.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:26 pm

Warzone Arstotskiano wrote:The invasion started before the war.

To the best of my knowledge, the war began with the invasion of Solidarity. The wardeccs are just a formality for a state of affairs that already were in place.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:30 pm

Mlakhavia wrote:I will not deny that some of our opponents are left wing, or at least consider themselves so. Perhaps griefing a leftist frontier stands up to what passes for your principles. But no-- the Bloc must surely be a 'raider' region, which is a lie fed to you by your superiors, and that you believed because you wanted to.

The fact of the matter is though, you are not here to engage with the game in a fashion that works in favour of the promulgation of radical leftist beliefs. That is not the crux of your NationStates presence, else you would not see fit to arbitrate assaults on leftist neutral ground.
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All that to say, I sure do hope I have enough credentials as a real leftist(TM) when I make the following clear: This is not an attack on leftism. It's not an attack on NSLeft either, except by proxy. It's a hit on TCB, in response to TCB aggression on TNP, and the acts of TCB and BoM in concert. TNP's participation is an exercise of our sovereign right in response to TCB's aggression. And if you don't believe me, I have a character witness to back me up on it:
Speaking for myself alone, I cannot fault the North's actions as described here to the extent that I can reasonably object in good faith, though being uninvited from Timmy's birthday party (where we never planned to attend) is amusing at least. 'On Declinement', as the operation found itself called, was the tipping of a feeder; the aggression inherent to it as an action cannot be understated or downplayed. Any military and diplomatic response is the sovereign right of the North Pacific, to be exercised as it sees fit.

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Every act of retaliation committed by the PRAF has been a legitimate utilisation of force in defense of our region's ideals. Despite this, broader NSLeft, for a wide variety of regions, had little reason to get involved, and so did not. Now, it has a rather legitimate reason to respond. I would do well to remind you that NSLeft has faced scarier threats than you before. It will do so again. Accuse us of pushing our luck, and while you are at it I would like ballistic trajectory report on the stones you're launching from your glass house.

Well, since TCB isn't afraid afraid of any repercussions that are within our capacity to levy, you are not afraid of our lethargic army, and neither do you fear our pathetic sanctions, it's quite remarkable that this response from TCB is so vehement. It is almost as if you made your earlier boast without knowing that your actions could have consequences, and very much invited us to try and manifest those consequences in the false belief that we couldn't or wouldn't.
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Warzone Arstotskiano wrote:The invasion started before the war.

To the best of my knowledge, the war began with the invasion of Solidarity. The wardeccs are just a formality for a state of affairs that already were in place.
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Postby Mlakhavia » Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:Communist is a party label, so, since I am not organised in a party anymore, I am not a communist. I am a Marxist, and I have been so for something like two decades. I have taken beatings, been arrested, and suffered threats of violence against my person, as a result of my political work. What stopped my direct political activism was getting ill, not changing ideological stance. Most of my posts here, in General, or the WA, are in different ways promulgating what some think are radical leftist beliefs, such as the abolition of private ownership over the means of production, the end of exploitation of the labouring class, and the emancipation of humanity from political oppression. Since you're apparently the final arbiter of who gets to be a leftist

I won't say shit for this. I do not intend to arbitrate leftist purity testing. I've handled shit myself, and that handling sucked.

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Postby Rhaza » Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:38 pm

Omnicontrol wrote:
Rhaza wrote:The invasion of Solidarity is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would I do that if I didn't believe I was doing something justified?


The delbump of TNP is justifiable. Do you know how much effort goes into organizing something of this scale? Why would they do that if they didn't believe they were doing something justified?


Certainly less effort than Solidarity... :P

Obviously TCB feels that way. But since you're here, would you like to justify it to me? Preferably either without the argument involving Gorundu's post, or by addressing my points about it here.

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Rest assured I began planning Operation Red October way back in May. I owe it to Sleet for handing me the perfect circumstances to make it as successful as it has. Her decision to continue to antagonize various powers (or to maintain Iota's policy of doing so) was greatly helpful.

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Mlakhavia wrote:All I can handle is simple: you have come here to hurt NSLeft. You will pay for that.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Jar Wattinree » Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:46 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:To the best of my knowledge, the war began with the invasion of Solidarity. The wardeccs are just a formality for a state of affairs that already were in place.
I can't comment on other regions, but for The North Pacific the war began on August 27. The resolutions making the war official use the wording 'recognises' because a state of war -- even if legally undeclared -- already existed. We just filed the paperwork, sticklers for formality that we are.

As I suspected for the North, which was my main thought when I wrote that comment. As Rhaza has confirmed, TL/C has already been figuring out an invasion beforehand.
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FRONTLINE REPORT: ELECTIONS AND EXTORTION

Postby Rhaza » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:37 am

FRONTLINE REPORT: ELECTIONS AND EXTORTION

"Has The Communist Bloc embraced neo-moralism!?" one citizen asks


OCTOBER 16th, LENINGRAD AIRFIELD - The highest authority of the Peoples' Revolutionary Air Force of the Communist Bloc - the Air Marshal - flailing in a losing war effort, has been caught red-handed seeking to extort and threaten some of the Bloc's supposed closest military allies. It's a somber day for Bloc foreign affairs, as this bombshell release comes soon after the Night Father of the Brotherhood of Malice openly bragged about not aiding their doomed aviators, even if the numbers were available.

Some Background & Relevant Information


  • February 5th, 2022: The State and Revolution (TCB-TBH treaty) is published. It remains in force.
  • May 8th, 2023: The Communist Bloc opens an embassy with Community. This is closed by Community on June 10th, 2023, due to The Communist Bloc's participation in the raid of Greater Sahara, which still has embassies with their trophy hub.
  • July 22nd and August 23rd, 2023: The Black Hawks open embassies with Community and Carcassonne respectively, presumably seeking to profit off of the introduction of Frontierism. Both of these embassies were closed on October 12th, 2023 (along with that of Valley of Peace, another FOCUS region)
  • September 5th, 2023: The Gévaudan Pact between Carcassonne and Lone Wolves United is published. It remains in force.
  • October 2nd, 2023: Solidarity is invaded. The invasion remains ongoing, despite rather fruitless attempts to siege it.

EXTORTION: IT'S OKAY WHEN WE DO IT


Air Marshal Mlakhavia claimed on August 31st, 2023, that the Communist Bloc's outreach to The North Pacific in April (mere days after attempting to raid one of their allies) had been out of a desire to see the North "resist bully-style politics", referring to this year's earlier WA extortion scandal. It is great to see that the Bloc's leaders and firm and principled against such tactics.

Mlakhavia wrote:@[UFROE] can i be simple about this?
we'll present it to TBH simply
it's us
or it's Community/Carcassonne
I will be clear
We will juxtaposition ourselves against Community/Carcassonne with TBH
We will handle this, they will side with us


As the Bloc's First Minister election heats up, Sky-Admiral New Astri has leaked a series of comments by Air Marshal Mlakhavia from what appears to be TCB's private ministerial chambers on October 4th, in an effort to make a point about the latter's percieved volatility in office. Here we see the Air Marshal assert their desire to deliver an ultimatum to their partners.

Mlakhavia wrote:okay fuck it @Ministers
considering Community has fucked with invading Solidarity
let's put ourselves forward to LWU and TBH
LWU and TBH have two options
either Community or us
we will not help TBH or LWU again with our 70 endos if they pile in the current situation
and TBH and LWU have to close embassies with Community


WHAT NOW?


Well first, one must wonder if this manuver was actually attempted. Considering various members of The Black Hawks, including former Council member Lucklife have aided in this liberation, and that the Hawks have now closed embassies with Community and Carcassonne, one wonders if they caved and surrendered their political autonomy in the name of TCB's pilers. It's not like they've been active for much else, as of late.

With the election on the horizon, it's a very real possibility that Mlakhavia becomes First Minister, and the above sort of behavior becomes the Bloc's official foreign policy. Or perhaps New Astri will return to the office, and can continue leaking damaging comments from other Bloc leaders who happen to be their political opponents.

Either war, the Bureau of Wartime Reporting looks forward to continuing to provide you with the most up to date and breaking news out there as the conflict in Solidarity rages on.

Anyone who wishes to see the full composition of these leaks may contact me on Discord.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:44 am

Neo-moralism with griefer characteristics :ItIsSo:
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Postby Hulldom » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:45 am

Stones meeting glass houses? On my browser-based political simulator?

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Postby Varanius » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:45 am

Maybe when Sleet said to resist bully-style politics it was more of a note to self
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Postby The Castle of Dark Illusions » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:49 am

Sleet was the neo-moralist all along... I never would have guessed.
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Postby Miravana » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:50 am

TBH was not contacted by any member of TCB with pressure on cutting our relations with FOCUS regions. I am disappointed to learn the idea of this pressure was discussed, but I am reassured in our alliance with TCB due to the fact that this is the first time I am hearing about it.
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Postby Concrete Slab » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:52 am

Hulldom wrote:Stones meeting glass houses? On my browser-based political simulator?

It's more likely than you think!

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