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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pm

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Postby Skovinka » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pm

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but why would you do that?


It was a joke mate. Godwin isn't even dead


trying to paint me as a nazi is a joke :eyebrow:

sorry I'm not getting this "joke"
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:48 pm

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Osmauri wrote:I love NSG.
I love the forum.


I love democracy.

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I'm only surrounded by fear, and dead memes.
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:49 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
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I love democracy.

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I'm only surrounded by fear, and dead memes.

A meme is only as dead as it is dusty and forgotten.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:50 pm

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It was a joke mate. Godwin isn't even dead


trying to paint me as a nazi is a joke :eyebrow:

sorry I'm not getting this "joke"


Old world belief: your status in the afterlife is dependent on people in the living world remembering you. Thus, gotta keep Godwin up there by constantly invoking his law. He's not dead though so joke failed.


The Nazi comment was because your post came off weird, like you were trying to get me to not do those things. Apologies for the bad insinuation.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:51 pm

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No, but if I say something and a Nazi agrees, I'm gonna seriously reevaluate my position.


Yeah like drinking water is good for you or you shouldn't smoke ciggeretes

As we all know, there is zero difference between medical facts and terrible political talking points. Quote that dril's tweet about the wise man please.
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Postby Skovinka » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:52 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
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trying to paint me as a nazi is a joke :eyebrow:

sorry I'm not getting this "joke"


Old world belief: your status in the afterlife is dependent on people in the living world remembering you. Thus, gotta keep Godwin up there by constantly invoking his law. He's not dead though so joke failed.


The Nazi comment was because your post came off weird, like you were trying to get me to not do those things. Apologies for the bad insinuation.


apology accepted I guess
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:53 pm

Picairn wrote:
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Yeah like drinking water is good for you or you shouldn't smoke ciggeretes

As we all know, there is zero difference between medical facts and terrible political talking points. Quote that dril's tweet about the wise man please.

The NSG-iest quote there could be here.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:55 pm

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Picairn wrote:As we all know, there is zero difference between medical facts and terrible political talking points. Quote that dril's tweet about the wise man please.

The NSG-iest quote there could be here.

Damn I'm now more NSG-y than the NSG veterans despite being here for only 3 years.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:55 pm

Osmauri wrote:
Skovinka wrote:The people marching for Palestine after what HAMAS did are the same people who also scream Slava Ukraine, what does that say?

That people are hypocrites?

It's also not accurate, since I've seen quite a few of the types who support Russia "Against NATO aggression" proudly supporting Hamas as well. Because anyone that's against the West is good in their eyes.
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:56 pm

Picairn wrote:
Osmauri wrote:The NSG-iest quote there could be here.

Damn I'm now more NSG-y than the NSG veterans despite being here for only 3 years.

The ladder is nothing to my ripped climbing muscles!

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Osmauri wrote:That people are hypocrites?

It's also not accurate, since I've seen quite a few of the types who support Russia "Against NATO aggression" proudly supporting Hamas as well. Because anyone that's against the West is good in their eyes.

Figures.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:59 pm

Osmauri wrote:
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Siding with a Nazi should give you pause.


At the same time, does anything a nazi (or tankie for that matter) say automatically become wrong just because they said it? Sounds incredibly fallacious mate.

Note that I'm not saying you aren't wrong, if you so readily agree you might wanna check what the other guy's position is...
Perhaps not, but you definitely have to take a look at why you think what you say, you know?
As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't seem like it was the smartest move for some of the palestenian radical left orgs to hitch their wagon to Hamas, for a variety of reasons other than the ground offensive is gonna fuck em up. Maybe they shoulda looked a little closer at the rhetoric they thought they shared.
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Postby Skovinka » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:59 pm

Kubra wrote:
Osmauri wrote:
At the same time, does anything a nazi (or tankie for that matter) say automatically become wrong just because they said it? Sounds incredibly fallacious mate.

Note that I'm not saying you aren't wrong, if you so readily agree you might wanna check what the other guy's position is...
Perhaps not, but you definitely have to take a look at why you think what you say, you know?
As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't seem like it was the smartest move for some of the palestenian radical left orgs to hitch their wagon to Hamas, for a variety of reasons other than the ground offensive is gonna fuck em up.


Just wait until the ground invasion starts
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:01 pm

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Kubra wrote: Perhaps not, but you definitely have to take a look at why you think what you say, you know?
As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't seem like it was the smartest move for some of the palestenian radical left orgs to hitch their wagon to Hamas, for a variety of reasons other than the ground offensive is gonna fuck em up.


Just wait until the ground invasion starts
I mean I guess they're not totally gaza-based, most of em have turf in lebanon and the west bank that mostly won't be touched (because they're irrelevant).
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Postby Skovinka » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:02 pm

Kubra wrote:
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Just wait until the ground invasion starts
I mean I guess they're not totally gaza-based, most of em have turf in lebanon and the west bank that mostly won't be touched (because they're irrelevant).


No I mean, just wait until they invade Gaza and watch the Left in western nations react.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:02 pm

Osmauri wrote:Figures.

Funny enough Saiwana statement kind of applies to them because if you look at the mindset of those types to them, RUSSIA is actually the Underdog because it is fighting "All of NATO" and "Western Hegemony" just like to them Hamas is "Fighting against Western Backed Jewish Colonialism."
All in all it just revolves around to "Everything is the West's fault".
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:03 pm

Skovinka wrote:
Kubra wrote: I mean I guess they're not totally gaza-based, most of em have turf in lebanon and the west bank that mostly won't be touched (because they're irrelevant).


No I mean, just wait until they invade Gaza and watch the Left in western nations react.
K but that wasn't what I was getting at. The traditional radical left of Palestine hitched their wagon to Hamas and they've got some pretty problematic exposure to the ground invasion.
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:03 pm

Kubra wrote:
Osmauri wrote:
At the same time, does anything a nazi (or tankie for that matter) say automatically become wrong just because they said it? Sounds incredibly fallacious mate.

Note that I'm not saying you aren't wrong, if you so readily agree you might wanna check what the other guy's position is...
Perhaps not, but you definitely have to take a look at why you think what you say, you know?
As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't seem like it was the smartest move for some of the palestenian radical left orgs to hitch their wagon to Hamas, for a variety of reasons other than the ground offensive is gonna fuck em up. Maybe they shoulda looked a little closer at the rhetoric they thought they shared.

I agree with that sentiment, communists attaching their names to murderous Islamofascists is probably one of the fuckier moments in recent Levantine history
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Postby Skovinka » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:04 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Osmauri wrote:Figures.

Funny enough Saiwana is actually kind of accurate because the mindset of those types is that RUSSIA is actually the Underdog because it is fighting "All of NATO" and "Western Hegemony" just like to them Hamas is "Fighting against Western Backed Jewish Colonialism."


Does not the vast majority of Democrats, including the "Squad" support Ukraine?
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:04 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Osmauri wrote:Figures.

Funny enough Saiwana is actually kind of accurate because the mindset of those types is that RUSSIA is actually the Underdog because it is fighting "All of NATO" and "Western Hegemony" just like to them Hamas is "Fighting against Western Backed Jewish Colonialism."

I feel concerned.
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Postby Skovinka » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:05 pm

Osmauri wrote:
Kubra wrote: Perhaps not, but you definitely have to take a look at why you think what you say, you know?
As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't seem like it was the smartest move for some of the palestenian radical left orgs to hitch their wagon to Hamas, for a variety of reasons other than the ground offensive is gonna fuck em up. Maybe they shoulda looked a little closer at the rhetoric they thought they shared.

I agree with that sentiment, communists attaching their names to murderous Islamofascists is probably one of the fuckier moments in recent Levantine history


It makes a lot of sense from an enemy of my enemy is my friend point of view.
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:05 pm

Skovinka wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Funny enough Saiwana is actually kind of accurate because the mindset of those types is that RUSSIA is actually the Underdog because it is fighting "All of NATO" and "Western Hegemony" just like to them Hamas is "Fighting against Western Backed Jewish Colonialism."


Does not the vast majority of Democrats, including the "Squad" support Ukraine?

Pretty sure the vast majority of Democrats also nominally at least support Israel, because people are generally more centrist than not and centrists generally support innocents against terrorist groups.

Also, the Democrats are mostly centre-conservatives, centre-right with a dying, traditional centre-left and libleft.
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:06 pm

Skovinka wrote:
Osmauri wrote:I agree with that sentiment, communists attaching their names to murderous Islamofascists is probably one of the fuckier moments in recent Levantine history


It makes a lot of sense from an enemy of my enemy is my friend point of view.

I mean, it also means you'll get flattened by your collective enemy together, which ain't great.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:07 pm

Skovinka wrote: including the "Squad" support Ukraine?

You mean the same "Squad" who got caught trying to push a memo demanding Biden Push for Peace in Ukraine even if it meant giving Russia territory, only to backtrack when they realized it would just land them in hot water?
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Postby Osmauri » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:08 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Skovinka wrote: including the "Squad" support Ukraine?

You mean the same "Squad" who got caught trying to push a memo demanding Biden Push for Peace in Ukraine even if it meant giving Russia territory, only to backtrack when they realized it would just land them in hot water?

The Squad is there to give Republicans something to complain about.

They're also there to minimally legitimize said complaints. That's literally all they do.
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