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[DRAFT] Condemn Sedgistan

Postby Castillian Mission to the World Assembly » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:42 pm

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Good evening fellow statesmen,

After the despicable legality ruling issued by Sedgistan regarding the legislation brought forth by the gentleman from Eternal Algerstonia, the Castillian Federation is compelled to admonish Sedgistan through the WA mechanisms. The Federation aims to introduce to the floor of the Security Council the following proposal:

The Security Council,

Understanding that the World Assembly and its Security Council, as the world's governing body is fundamentally by the nature of its democratic processes a democratic institution that relies on democratic norms.

Applauding the initiative of numerous states participating in the Security Council to create a more positive and encouraging environment for delegates to participate in.

Acknowledging the delegate from Sedgistan's role is more or less a de-facto parliamentarian of the Security Council, determining which proposals may or may not violate the established rules of the Security Council.

Disgusted by the delegate from Sedgistan's decision to hold the proposal "No Shitposting", introduced to the floor of the Security Council by the delegate from Eternal Algerstonia, illegal under Rule 2A of the Security Council.

Confused as to why the proposal was held illegal, as delegates are indeed able to shitpost.

Horrified that the decision by the delegate from Sedgistan essentially means that Sedgistan as a state endorses shitposting, an activity no different from state-sponsored terrorism, except in a diplomatic format.

Furthermore disgusted as the decision to hold "No Shitposting" illegal is a violation of the aforementioned democratic norms of the security council.

Concerned that this decision may influence more nations to pursue shitposting in the Security Council and openly embrace the authoritarian position of the Sedgistan nationstate.

Thereby it be resolved by the Security Council that the polity known as Sedgistan is hereby condemned by the Security Council.


The Castillian Federation submits the following as evidence:
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Postby The Ambis » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:49 pm

Will spare you - Illegal under one of the rules, as you cannot C/C a staff for doing their staff jobs, no matter how bad decisions they make.

EDIT: I will note that no matter how harshly these bureaucratic rules are enforced, I fully support this proposal
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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:52 pm

The Ambis wrote:Will spare you - Illegal under one of the rules, as you cannot C/C a staff for doing their staff jobs, no matter how bad decisions they make.

The Castillian representative rises to make a point.

"The delegate from Sedgistan's role as a de-facto parliamentarian of the Security Council is not exempt from 3A. I emphatically decry any position otherwise as the rabble of totalitarians."
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Postby Wonseon » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:53 pm

Also, the “No Shitposting” proposal reeks of the “No 4th Wall Breaks” rule. After all, in the real world, nations can’t post.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:53 pm

The Ambis wrote:Will spare you - Illegal under one of the rules, as you cannot C/C a staff for doing their staff jobs, no matter how bad decisions they make.

Yet again the jannies coming up with arbitrary rules intended to gatekeep retribution for their corruption. Bring down the deep state! Hail Algerstonia!
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Postby The Ambis » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:54 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
The Ambis wrote:Will spare you - Illegal under one of the rules, as you cannot C/C a staff for doing their staff jobs, no matter how bad decisions they make.

Yet again the jannies coming up with rules intended to gatekeep retribution for their corruption. Bring down the deep state! Hail Algerstonia!

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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:55 pm

Wonseon wrote:Also, the “No Shitposting” proposal reeks of the “No 4th Wall Breaks” rule. After all, in the real world, nations can’t post.

"Let me ask you fellow delegate, do you lack the ability to shitpost?"
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Postby Picairn » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:58 pm

Wonseon wrote:Also, the “No Shitposting” proposal reeks of the “No 4th Wall Breaks” rule. After all, in the real world, nations can’t post.

"Defining shitposting as a behavior in which WA representatives of nations make satirical or deliberately outlandish, provocative comments."
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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:58 pm

The Ambis wrote:Will spare you - Illegal under one of the rules, as you cannot C/C a staff for doing their staff jobs, no matter how bad decisions they make.

EDIT: I will note that no matter how harshly these bureaucratic rules are enforced, I fully support this proposal

The Castillian representative rises to make another point.

"Following the clarification from the delegate representing the Ambis, the Castillian Federation applauds their motion to support and now yields my time."
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Postby M-101 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:59 pm

The M-101 delegate vehemently supports this proposal in for the sake of shitposting rights
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Postby Isabella van der Feltz » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:01 pm

Rule 3a
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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:03 pm

Isabella van der Feltz wrote:Rule 3a

The Castillian representative rises to make a point.

"The delegate from Sedgistan's role as a de-facto parliamentarian of the Security Council is not exempt from 3A. I emphatically decry any position otherwise as the rabble of totalitarians. You must hate the Free World if you not rockin with us."
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:05 pm

Are you allowed to swear on an SC proposal? While it’s not explicitly mentioned in the SC rules, proposals are displayed on gameside. I don’t think saying the word “shit” is allowed on RMBs, so why would SC resolutions be different?

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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:10 pm

El Lazaro wrote:Are you allowed to swear on an SC proposal? While it’s not explicitly mentioned in the SC rules, proposals are displayed on gameside. I don’t think saying the word “shit” is allowed on RMBs, so why would SC resolutions be different?

The Castillian representative rises to address the question from the delegate from El Lazaro.

"If that were the reason the delegate and resident parliamentarian from Sedgistan held the proposal illegal, our office would have had no issue with it. Instead, the parliamentarian held the proposal illegal under Rule 2A for making reference to shitposting, implying that delegates lack the ability to shitpost. I love freedom, and it is clear that the entire nation of Sedgistan hates freedom and wants to ensure shitposting can be harnessed to foment authoritarian movements across the known universe. This is bad, really really bad.

I now yield my time."
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:17 pm

"The Eternal Empire of Algerstonia lends its full backing to this Condemnation of such a scandalous and Algerstonia-hating country. Sedgistan has been the head of a sprawling Big Tech effort to censor the Eternal Empire for the sole crime of fighting for the common nation and fighting for the cause to stop the sanctimonius amounts of laughter and humor in the Security Council. Sedgistan, if you think what I'm doing is a crime, then hand over the guilty verdict and send me to jail and make me a martyr! The people stand behind me!"

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Postby Ostrovskiy » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:18 pm

"Good heavens, another one of these? If it weren't a meme on the Multiversal Internet at this point I'd have to call it a fucking badly written bage hunt. Please write a proposal that is at least legal next time. The guides to the Security Council written by several of the greatest ambassadors of all time are available in every WA language online."

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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:22 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:"Good heavens, another one of these? If it weren't a meme on the Multiversal Internet at this point I'd have to call it a fucking badly written bage hunt. Please write a proposal that is at least legal next time. The guides to the Security Council written by several of the greatest ambassadors of all time are available in every WA language online."

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The Castillian representative rises to address the drivel spewed by the Ostrovskiyan ambassador.

"This proposal is wholly legal. 3A does not apply as the DE FACTO acting parliamentarian, which is DE FACTO the delegate from Sedgistan, is not exempt from the rule. If you keep it up, I'll introduce a declaration to censure you because you hate freedom."
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:23 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:"Good heavens, another one of these? If it weren't a meme on the Multiversal Internet at this point I'd have to call it a fucking badly written bage hunt. Please write a proposal that is at least legal next time. The guides to the Security Council written by several of the greatest ambassadors of all time are available in every WA language online."

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The Castillian representative rises to address the drivel spewed by the Ostrovskiyan ambassador.

"This proposal is wholly legal. 3A does not apply as the DE FACTO acting parliamentarian, which is DE FACTO the delegate from Sedgistan, is not exempt from the rule. If you keep it up, I'll introduce a declaration to censure you because you hate freedom."

OOC: this is illegal under the rules. ur not going to get anywhere with it. stop algerposting, pls.

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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:26 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:The Castillian representative rises to address the drivel spewed by the Ostrovskiyan ambassador.

"This proposal is wholly legal. 3A does not apply as the DE FACTO acting parliamentarian, which is DE FACTO the delegate from Sedgistan, is not exempt from the rule. If you keep it up, I'll introduce a declaration to censure you because you hate freedom."

OOC: this is illegal under the rules. ur not going to get anywhere with it. stop algerposting, pls.

OOC: it's legal. 3A doesn't apply as the delegate is acting as a de facto parliamentarian. That's the workaround. Sorry that I'm creative and can find loopholes to the rules that you didn't think of. I guess Sedgistan will have to add on to the rules if he doesn't like this proposal for the reason you insinuate.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:29 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:OOC: this is illegal under the rules. ur not going to get anywhere with it. stop algerposting, pls.

OOC: it's legal. 3A doesn't apply as the delegate is acting as a de facto parliamentarian. That's the workaround. Sorry that I'm creative and can find loopholes to the rules that you didn't think of. I guess Sedgistan will have to add on to the rules if he doesn't like this proposal for the reason you insinuate.

itll be ruled illegal tho, and no matter how much algerposting u do it wont be allowed to get to vote bc its illegal

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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:30 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:OOC: it's legal. 3A doesn't apply as the delegate is acting as a de facto parliamentarian. That's the workaround. Sorry that I'm creative and can find loopholes to the rules that you didn't think of. I guess Sedgistan will have to add on to the rules if he doesn't like this proposal for the reason you insinuate.

itll be ruled illegal tho, and no matter how much algerposting u do it wont be allowed to get to vote bc its illegal

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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:34 pm

The Castillian representative rises to speak.

"After reading the Security Council rules, I see there is no rule stating that members may not make a motion to suspend the rules to pass a proposal (to pass under suspension of the rules). Given the concern from other delegates about rule 3A which I remind them is nonsensical at best and fascistic at worst, I will if necessary make a motion to suspend the rules and pass the proposal. If necessary, I will introduce a declaration to vacate the position of the de-facto parliamentarian from Sedgistan."
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:40 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:The Castillian representative rises to speak.

"After reading the Security Council rules, I see there is no rule stating that members may not make a motion to suspend the rules to pass a proposal (to pass under suspension of the rules). Given the concern from other delegates about rule 3A which I remind them is nonsensical at best and fascistic at worst, I will if necessary make a motion to suspend the rules and pass the proposal. If necessary, I will introduce a declaration to vacate the position of the de-facto parliamentarian from Sedgistan."

OOC: Cool speech and all but none of those things are possible gameside, and especially not the removing of Sedgistan's mod powers, which would take word of [v] or even the Boss himself.

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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:44 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:The Castillian representative rises to speak.

"After reading the Security Council rules, I see there is no rule stating that members may not make a motion to suspend the rules to pass a proposal (to pass under suspension of the rules). Given the concern from other delegates about rule 3A which I remind them is nonsensical at best and fascistic at worst, I will if necessary make a motion to suspend the rules and pass the proposal. If necessary, I will introduce a declaration to vacate the position of the de-facto parliamentarian from Sedgistan."

OOC: Cool speech and all but none of those things are possible gameside, and especially not the removing of Sedgistan's mod powers, which would take word of [v] or even the Boss himself.

The Castillian representative rises yet again. He's getting real tired of having to rise everytime the representative from Ostrovskiy, who doesn't have any clue what they're talking about, keeps interjecting. He thinks about it for a moment, and then realizes it's not worth the time.

"I was to make a point, but I have determined it is not worth the effort. I yield my time."
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Postby Castille de Italia » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:01 pm

The Castillian representative rises again.

"Since members of this body are still concerned about the legality of certain motions and whether the mechanisms for them exist, I will introduce a declaration proposal to limit debate to not include debate on the legality of this proposal under Rule 3A. I have already declared it legal under that rule, and some representatives who I will not name still rise, not even making a point of order, to insist that this proposal is illegal. Furthermore, I will introduce a second declaration to raise a question of privilege to request the parliamentarian from Sedgistan to assist with finding a method to make this proposal legal. If these declarations fail, then I shall introduce subsequent declarations consisting of motions to reconsider.

I yield my time."
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